The real reason why Aspies are often unemployable.

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25 Mar 2016, 5:58 pm

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My replay to supervisors who were always screaming at me to hurry up and finish was, "do yo want it done fast, or do you want it done right? You can't have both!" Management usually backed off when I said this.


Yeah, it's only gotten worse as the years have gone on too. It's all about speed now and not about quality, hence the reason we have so much low quality plastic junk in our lives. I've always been a proponent of quality over quantity, unfortunately I live in an era that values the exact opposite.



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25 Mar 2016, 7:59 pm

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People who deny the existence of autism disorders will simply tell them to just “Get friends” or “Get a job”, thinking that it’s easy just like picking a pencil. But really it isn’t. It takes time. Sadly people with Asperger’s need real help in getting a job other than kneejerk relations or stock advice that worked for other people.
I hesitate to discuss the minutia of adversities confronting me in the job-hunting ratrace,
but I agree that the kneejerk stock advice intended for others is insufficient for me.
Things like how to "be polite" or "act confident" or "stay relaxed" sounds like abstract gibberish to me.
Does that mean I lean slightly forward in my seat? How far?
Does that mean I answer questions snappy, or wait 3 seconds after the question so I don't accidentally interrupt?
To speak "confident", do I modulate my voice down, or suppress my accent, or pace my syllables regularly? etc. etc. etc.
There are sooooo many variables I have to control by default just to make my presence tolerable to other people.
If I try to control any more, I go crazy.
I wish you lived where I am at and attended college there. I am apart of a program that helps you make connections and I actually got a job through them. I work as a recruiter for a organization called Men of Honor. It is a really good job and what worked for me was stepping out of my way and inquiring about it. Another thing is you must sound like you want the job. I had two jobs, one as a lab assistant and the second one being this one. I hope I helped some. And yes, I have aspergers.
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26 Mar 2016, 8:39 am

Aristophanes wrote:
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My replay to supervisors who were always screaming at me to hurry up and finish was, "do yo want it done fast, or do you want it done right? You can't have both!" Management usually backed off when I said this.


Yeah, it's only gotten worse as the years have gone on too. It's all about speed now and not about quality, hence the reason we have so much low quality plastic junk in our lives. I've always been a proponent of quality over quantity, unfortunately I live in an era that values the exact opposite.


Are you trying to ramp up my anxiety? Problem is I'd never be able to talk to management like that. I mean I have a lot of problems with work. Not fast enough. Sometimes I forget what I am doing, especially when things are too fast. And I have moments of black out thought if things are too fast.

But then when I am being yelled at and told, in paraphrasing form, I am not good enough. It really bites into the anxiety of my perfectionism. I want to do good. I don't want to fail anyone. I make a promise and I have to achieve it.



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26 Mar 2016, 9:02 am

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Are you trying to ramp up my anxiety? Problem is I'd never be able to talk to management like that. I mean I have a lot of problems with work. Not fast enough. Sometimes I forget what I am doing, especially when things are too fast. And I have moments of black out thought if things are too fast.

But then when I am being yelled at and told, in paraphrasing form, I am not good enough. It really bites into the anxiety of my perfectionism. I want to do good. I don't want to fail anyone. I make a promise and I have to achieve it.

I wasn't trying to give you anxiety at all, just complaining about the direction society is moving in this regard since I disagree with it.



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26 Mar 2016, 9:06 am

And I agree with you.

What I meant was your response to management would make me nervous like a school girl



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26 Mar 2016, 1:33 pm

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To quote my now-deceased mother: "So, it's not who you know, it's who you bl!w." Yeah, right.

Any wonder I had difficulties finding work since college? I don't like playing petty games or office politics. I was always of the attitude "Leave me alone to do my work. If I need your help I'll ask." Unfortunately, when it got hectic, I could barely function. Mom and dad never understood how I could bomb so spectacularly. To them, every time I lost a job, it was because I'm a lazy-arsed motherf!cker who didn't work hard enough to make anything of myself. To them, there was no such thing as burnout, which I suffered a lot. Add to that, while I was working telephone support, you had to be 3 steps ahead of the customer, technology-wise, else you were useless as a phone support person. Too bad most technology companies no longer hire people that have a clue: they'll only hire people that do what is termed in broadcast news as "rip and read", and do not deviate from the script.

In short, management in tech industries no longer want people who can think for themselves: they only want sheep and cattle.


I've run into that too. Some people do not understand what we can go through, what is typical for an NT is hard for us at times. I know myself, I was diagnosed on the autism spectrum as a kid and I did have help. However, my aunt, after Mom passed away, did reveal to me that she thinks my parents took me out of the special program too early and that has hurt me. I do believe that is true. I understand parents don't want to hear if anything is wrong with their kid, but it even isn't that, we are all different and different people need different help.

I think the problem today with jobs and so on is when we were an agrarian society or even an industrial one, we might have had a bettr chance of finding jobs where we are basically left alone and do not have to interact as much but today it is all service, service, service and that means dealing with people 80 to 100 percect of the time.



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26 Mar 2016, 1:37 pm

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A lot of these threads and programs. Always focus on one thing. Social skills in the work force. But it's not just social skills. It's the pace. If I cannot do anything at the one speed I know which is Autyspeed. There's no heck in way I am going to get the work done in time.

I worked so many different jobs, where I realize speed was my biggest problem. I am just not fast enough. I think I am going fast, but everyone notes I am going really slow. And if I go too fast I make too many mistakes. Soo....yeah.

It's not just social aspects. But I cannot keep up with the demands of work. And Managers need to be more supportive and encouraging. Not intimidating and yelling at me all the time. It just stresses me out and I have poorer work performance.


My replay to supervisors who were always screaming at me to hurry up and finish was, "do yo want it done fast, or do you want it done right? You can't have both!" Management usually backed off when I said this.


I always subscribe to the rule of "pick two out of three," "do you want fast, cheap or quality, pick two."



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26 Mar 2016, 1:41 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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My replay to supervisors who were always screaming at me to hurry up and finish was, "do yo want it done fast, or do you want it done right? You can't have both!" Management usually backed off when I said this.


Yeah, it's only gotten worse as the years have gone on too. It's all about speed now and not about quality, hence the reason we have so much low quality plastic junk in our lives. I've always been a proponent of quality over quantity, unfortunately I live in an era that values the exact opposite.


See my pick two out of three rule. ;) Yeah, we live in such a society and sadly you are just the messenger pointing out that reality. Back in the day, we made things to last and be fixable. If your toaster or TV goes on the fritz, you get it fixed and keep doing that until it isn't worth it anymore. Today, if your TV takes a crap, you just get a new one. I still use the same TV today as when it was new in 1982. It is very wasteful indeed as well as teaches the wrong values.



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26 Mar 2016, 1:44 pm

Aspies are unemployable because they're disabled; they frequently can't deal with stress or have the social skills necessary to survive.



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26 Mar 2016, 3:10 pm

I think I was declared unemployable because of my anxiety and lack of social skills. My sensory issues may have played a part as well.

Tequila wrote:
Aspies are unemployable because they're disabled; they frequently can't deal with stress or have the social skills necessary to survive.

Pretty much.


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27 Mar 2016, 10:29 am

I simply have too many difficulties to accommodate, and without a degree I firmly believe I have no hope of ever finding full-time employment.

Employers are never likely to hire someone who exhibits the following:

- Poor at making and maintaining eye contact.
- An abysmal attention span due to sound sensitivities and possibly undiagnosed ADD.
- Misunderstanding abstract language.
- Terrible reading comprehension.
- A working memory that makes Homer Simpson look like Einstein.
- Inability to multi-task.
- Communication difficulties, which continue to regress with each passing year. I never know what to say to other people and inevitably awkward silences are frequent when I am around.


I honestly believe that I am too dumb to survive in this world. :evil: :evil: :evil:


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27 Mar 2016, 2:59 pm

Well...I mean the factors people are mentioning here do often lead to un/underemployment, especially if the disability is severe, but not always. Yes, if people want you to show up regularly and interact with others, you need to be able to do that well. It's not trivial, it's because people have to be able to communicate well and get along well in teams to get their work done efficiently. If every little thing has to be spelled out, and people are pissing each other off, the projects bog down.

Literalness and inattention to norms are problems, too. I knew a guy once who almost had a breakdown trying to paint a room. That was the job: paint this room. Put the paint, which is right here, on the walls of this room, which you are standing in, using those brushes, which are on the floor in front of you. But he wanted to know to the millimetre where the paint was supposed to go, how thick, in what direction, etc., etc., etc. He didn't understand that it really wasn't that complicated. And actually I'm sure that if he hadn't had explicit instructions he'd have screwed it up somehow, painted the ceiling or something too. He didn't look at the job and think "what do most people mean by this" and have an answer come to mind. He had problems with an envelope-stuffing job, too: got all caught up in variables nobody cared about, or would have had to explain to others, and then got so frustrated he started yelling when he couldn't get the instructions he wanted. Got fired and escorted out of the building. He didn't have a lot of friends, either. Basically he had one friend and then a lot of acquaintances he called friends, even after he hadn't seen or talked to them for years.

On the other hand, he had vast and very well-articulated knowledge, and a degree, in a pretty arcane field: library cataloguing. Eventually he found professional work as a cataloguer in a forgiving environment where someone already knew him. It didn't matter that he didn't dress well or flapped his hands or was often fatigued. Cataloguers don't deal much with the public, mostly they're just dealing with the materials. The job was hard to come by, because there aren't a lot of library jobs, but he was able to get by once he got the job. It probably helped that he was able to seem social and make eye contact (if brief and weirdly intense eye contact) for short spans, so he made a decent first impression. A lot of it just had to do with applying and applying and applying and not getting discouraged even when the interviews went horribly.

Keeping the job often comes down to the boss and remembering that you really do have to show up and do the job (without complaining about it or making rude remarks). If you have a boss who understands the scope of your abilities and what you're good at, and has a use for those things, then as long as you don't get creative and start making changes unilaterally (which will probably just make more work for your boss), you'll probably be fine.



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16 Apr 2016, 3:55 pm

I've got quite a few difficulties that I feel make me unemployable in today's society where social skills are valued far more than the actual skills required to do the job well.

1. Executive function difficulties
2. Anxiety issues
3. Trouble multitasking
4. Communication difficulties
5. Mediocre attention span
6. Not very good conversation and social skills

I've only gotten two interviews in the last eight years, and didn't get either job.



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17 Apr 2016, 7:13 am

JakeASD wrote:
I simply have too many difficulties to accommodate, and without a degree I firmly believe I have no hope of ever finding full-time employment.

Employers are never likely to hire someone who exhibits the following:

- Poor at making and maintaining eye contact.
- An abysmal attention span due to sound sensitivities and possibly undiagnosed ADD.
- Misunderstanding abstract language.
- Terrible reading comprehension.
- A working memory that makes Homer Simpson look like Einstein.
- Inability to multi-task.
- Communication difficulties, which continue to regress with each passing year. I never know what to say to other people and inevitably awkward silences are frequent when I am around.


I honestly believe that I am too dumb to survive in this world. :evil: :evil: :evil:


Only the simpsons and kochikame could have people that work at a place who are total nut jobs xD But the funny thing about it is that there are many "nut jobs" in real life working at places. One time I was talking to someone at kohls and she said half the people there shouldn't even be there. Then my brother's job(he's a nurses aid) he says that half the people there are really stupid and shouldn't be there too. Then again he's witnessed things that say indefinitely that they shouldn't be there but they are and they are taking care of elderly people ...



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21 Apr 2016, 4:49 am

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If I could go back in time I think I would have tried to get into computer programming at a young age. This way I could be self-employed and not have to bother with interviews. Unfortunately I've invested too much time in accounting to do this now. Also I think I'm too old at 26 to go down a different path. It is depressing knowing that I'm certain I can do the work well, it's just getting passed the interview that's the problem.


I'm older than you and I'm only just now getting into computer programming. It's never too late.


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21 Apr 2016, 6:51 am

Tequila wrote:
Aspies are unemployable because they're disabled; they frequently can't deal with stress or have the social skills necessary to survive.


I can deal with stress. But people assume I hate the world, when I simply have resting b***h face.


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