A pattern among employed and employable autistic people

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15 Feb 2021, 4:15 pm

Please do not politicize THIS thread, too!


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15 Feb 2021, 4:24 pm

I hope you’re not talking to me :P

I was actually defending “top dogs.”



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15 Feb 2021, 4:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I hope you’re not talking to me :P
I am.  Please do not politicize this thread.  Mona posted a good idea that does not deserve to be mucked up by political commentary.


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15 Feb 2021, 4:32 pm

I wasn’t making “political commentary.”

Don’t talk to me like that. It’s not cool.



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15 Feb 2021, 4:35 pm

i apologize for tangentially mentioning the person who should not be mentioned.



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15 Feb 2021, 4:48 pm

Mona has some excellent ideas.



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15 Feb 2021, 4:54 pm

starkid wrote:
A pattern I seem to see is that autistic people who have even a somewhat decent employment history or those who are ready to be hired seem to not have serious sensory issues.
Um...drifting back to OP: I have a decent employment history and do not have serious sensory issues. Conveniently, my career field had me in offices with limited interaction with strangers--and I think that was quite fortunate. Sometimes even an office environment could be unpleasant but I muddled through to retirement at age 56.

And then regarding the later discussions: IT work is a good field for this discussion and the increased emphasis on telework should be a great help. (I probably would've worked a few more years if permitted to work from home.)


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20 Feb 2021, 10:06 am

It’s always been a numbers game, and now more than ever.

In the mid-term, jobs will . . slowly . . come back as the U.S. economy recovers from the Covid recession. If you’re a friend from overseas, I figure the UK, Germany, Korea, etc, are similar. I just don’t know for sure.

In the longer term, I think Andrew Yang is largely correct, at least on the problem definition phrase. You may or may not agree with his proposed solution of a $1,000 a month universal income for each adult. But as far as the slow erosion of middle-income jobs, mainly due to automation, he has hit the nail right on the head.

If you’re trying, please keep trying.

I’m currently in a bit of a funk, at the age of 58. But I’m going to let it turn around. And I expect to find myself trying again, and probably in several different ways at the same time. :D



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20 Feb 2021, 8:32 pm

i suspect the heat death of the universe will occur before enough amuuuricans wake up to this fact.



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24 Feb 2021, 1:03 pm

I think it’s just people in general, that want to believe in the just world hypothesis.



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02 Mar 2021, 9:14 pm

starkid wrote:
A pattern I seem to see is that autistic people who have even a somewhat decent employment history or those who are ready to be hired seem to not have serious sensory issues.

Whenever I look up information about autistic people seeking employment, the articles cover mostly social and communication issues. Sensory issues are rarely mentioned and are usually easily fixable (like the employee can just have a desk away from overhead lights).


I actually have terrible sensory issues but am successful in a white-collar job. Working from home COVID-style has been a wonderful development for me since I can shut out noise and visual distractions.



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02 Mar 2021, 9:53 pm

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Graduating college and becoming unemployable is a sad future that a lot of Autistic people may face if they waste their time studying. There are far too many graduates and not enough jobs.

An Autistic person is socially challenged and is unlikely to form a network that is needed to become employable with a college education. Plenty of the popular low achieving students with networks get jobs instead of the high achieving Autistic kids at college. Autistic kids at college have to achieve higher results to get a job than people that have good social networks. An Autistic kid barely passing or getting average marks is unlikely to get a job and is wasting his/her time at college.

Social network is everything when it comes to employment opportunities and high marks are needed by Autistic people to make up for the lack of social/communication skills. Job interviews weed out the social challenged applicants that performed well in academics but struggle to hold a conversation. Most jobs require decent social/communication skills that do not come naturally to Autistic people.


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03 Mar 2021, 9:15 am

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Graduating college and becoming unemployable is a sad future that a lot of Autistic people may face if they waste their time studying. There are far too many graduates and not enough jobs.

An Autistic person is socially challenged and is unlikely to form a network that is needed to become employable with a college education. Plenty of the popular low achieving students with networks get jobs instead of the high achieving Autistic kids at college. Autistic kids at college have to achieve higher results to get a job than people that have good social networks. An Autistic kid barely passing or getting average marks is unlikely to get a job and is wasting his/her time at college.

Social network is everything when it comes to employment opportunities and high marks are needed by Autistic people to make up for the lack of social/communication skills. Job interviews weed out the social challenged applicants that performed well in academics but struggle to hold a conversation. Most jobs require decent social/communication skills that do not come naturally to Autistic people.
Actually, it is a balancing act.  Speaking as an employer, you would have to show me that you have the technical skills I am looking for, AND just enough social skills to get along with everyone else without having a meltdown, throwing a tantrum, or demanding unreasonable accommodations (i.e., not everyone can have a soundproofed, air-conditioned office on the third floor all to themselves).


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04 Mar 2021, 1:29 am

I hope there is a cure to Autism/Asperger's so that socially awkward introverts can find a place within society instead of being socially excluded and made to feel like we are nothing. The  extroverts enjoyed their college years and live fulfilling lives and experience more job opportunities. The socially award introverts with Autism/Asperger's often lead unfulfilling lives with no friends and limited job opportunities. 

I quit College after 2 years of experiencing no friends, social isolation, loneliness that adversely impacted my grades. I was barely passing and not enjoying College and I quit. In hindsight I would never have gone to College to endure 2 of the worst years of my life. I am still looking for a job without any success. I envied the extroverts at College that lead easy lives and made friends easily.

Autism has prevented me from gaining employment and I hope there is a cure so millions of others do not have to endure social exclusion, boredom and loneliness that comes from being Autistic.

You can be physically capable of doing a job but because you have Autism, employers rarely give you a chance. I have two arms and two legs and I want to work. It has been many years since I graduated College. Hello employers out there I got Autism, two arms, two legs and I want to work. 



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04 Mar 2021, 10:38 am

If you've met one Autistic, you've met one Autistic.

I was professionally diagnosed as being on the Spectrum with an additional observation that I also meet the criteria formally associated with Asperger's Syndrome. And my experience is different than yours...I do not want a cure.

Yes...there has been a lot of unhappiness, frustration, and social disappointment along the way. I'm happy now.


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05 Mar 2021, 10:39 am

i look forward to the sheer relief from earthly worry, aka happiness, i'll experience in heaven. :star: