Someone says to remove RELIGIOUS activities off a resume???

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EgaoNoGenki
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19 Jan 2009, 5:10 am

I had someone critique my resume the other month.

My Volunteer work is towards the top of the resume because employers like those who are charitable-minded, do they not? They are as follows:

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Volunteer Work E.C.M. Campus Ministry Manhattan, KS March 2008
• Rebuilt a home with a group of 15-20 volunteers in Greensburg, KS, thus speeding up construction time by a few weeks. Our donated labor and construction supplies saved the homeowner tens of thousands of dollars.
• Gained experience in power tools, powered soil compactors, leveling devices, and other construction equipment.
Kansas Bible Camp Hutchinson, KS Summer 2007
• Enhanced and gained new religion-based leadership skills at the Leadership Training Camp through Bible studies and other chapel meetings, thus gaining stronger morals as a leader.
• Staffed at the camp to perform grounds-work and set up equipment and events for the campers.
Campus Crusade for Christ Manhattan, KS December 2006
• Went down to Pass Christian, MS during Christmas Break to restore an apartment building, distribute free “Jesus” DVDs to FEMA trailer residents and other residents in Pass Christian, and participate in the “Toys for Tots” charity.
Campus Crusade for Christ Manhattan, KS March 2006
• Participated in gutting and cleaning about 4-5 houses in New Orleans during Spring Break, thus saving homeowners considerable repair costs.
Emmanuel UMC Abilene, KS & Tijuana, MX July – August 2003
• Helped construct a new church in a colonia (shantytown) on the outskirts of Tijuana, distributed "Knowing God Personally" tracts/booklets, and walked from house-to-house to invite people to church.


Now, someone suggests that I REMOVE religious references off a resume unless I applied to a religious institution (or any that's faith-based.)

What a preposterous suggestion! I believe religion is just as much a part of who we are as our race is. We can't change our race unless we're as wealthy as Michael Jackson.

Second, do you EVER hear of resume evaluators suggesting to African-Americans (or blacks elsewhere on Earth) to legally change their names to white-sounding ones? Shoniqua, Tamika, Lashonda, Aisha, Tyronica will have less call-back rates than Shanel, Talia, Leota, Alexa, and Tela. (I'm not acting racist; see the source link below.)

http://www.weneedtostop.com/2008/09/war ... undin.html

I believe that if some Anti-Christian doesn't want to hire me for my faith, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed working there anyway.

Has this happened to you? What other preposterous suggestions did resume evaluators give you?


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19 Jan 2009, 5:19 am

I can understand the advice to edit, just on a quick read (and I'm a christian) I'd wonder if you'd be one of those workplace evangelists who end up being a problem because they feel they have to 'save' everybody at work. It does seem a lot, and there's no secular volunteer work in there as a 'balance'.

the building and repairs stuff was fine but this sort of stuff below

distribute free “Jesus” DVDs to FEMA trailer residents and other residents in Pass Christian....

.... distributed "Knowing God Personally" tracts/booklets, and walked from house-to-house to invite people to church.


I think that would lead employers to assume your going to badger co-workers about matters of faith. Also it might be better to put this at the end of your resume, although it depends what else you have in it. My experience is out of date but I used to put the volunteer work last. Some people have to emphasise it because they don't have a lot of paid work experience or study.



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19 Jan 2009, 6:35 am

Sometimes it's better to adjust the resumé to fit the job you want without lying about information. I learnt this one the hard way



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19 Jan 2009, 7:11 am

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I can understand the advice to edit, just on a quick read (and I'm a christian) I'd wonder if you'd be one of those workplace evangelists who end up being a problem because they feel they have to 'save' everybody at work. It does seem a lot, and there's no secular volunteer work in there as a 'balance'.

the building and repairs stuff was fine but this sort of stuff below

distribute free “Jesus” DVDs to FEMA trailer residents and other residents in Pass Christian....

.... distributed "Knowing God Personally" tracts/booklets, and walked from house-to-house to invite people to church.


I think that would lead employers to assume your going to badger co-workers about matters of faith. Also it might be better to put this at the end of your resume, although it depends what else you have in it. My experience is out of date but I used to put the volunteer work last. Some people have to emphasise it because they don't have a lot of paid work experience or study.

I agree with this post.

A lot of employers believe that religion is best left out of the workplace. This is not because they're Satanists or something; this is because there are so many different religions that they don't want it leading to arguments or enemies.


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19 Jan 2009, 7:30 am

EgaoNoGenki wrote:
I had someone critique my resume the other month.

My Volunteer work is towards the top of the resume because employers like those who are charitable-minded, do they not? They are as follows:

Quote:
Volunteer Work E.C.M. Campus Ministry Manhattan, KS March 2008
• Rebuilt a home with a group of 15-20 volunteers in Greensburg, KS, thus speeding up construction time by a few weeks. Our donated labor and construction supplies saved the homeowner tens of thousands of dollars.
• Gained experience in power tools, powered soil compactors, leveling devices, and other construction equipment.
Kansas Bible Camp Hutchinson, KS Summer 2007
• Enhanced and gained new religion-based leadership skills at the Leadership Training Camp through Bible studies and other chapel meetings, thus gaining stronger morals as a leader.
• Staffed at the camp to perform grounds-work and set up equipment and events for the campers.
Campus Crusade for Christ Manhattan, KS December 2006
• Went down to Pass Christian, MS during Christmas Break to restore an apartment building, distribute free “Jesus” DVDs to FEMA trailer residents and other residents in Pass Christian, and participate in the “Toys for Tots” charity.
Campus Crusade for Christ Manhattan, KS March 2006
• Participated in gutting and cleaning about 4-5 houses in New Orleans during Spring Break, thus saving homeowners considerable repair costs.
Emmanuel UMC Abilene, KS & Tijuana, MX July – August 2003
• Helped construct a new church in a colonia (shantytown) on the outskirts of Tijuana, distributed "Knowing God Personally" tracts/booklets, and walked from house-to-house to invite people to church.


Now, someone suggests that I REMOVE religious references off a resume unless I applied to a religious institution (or any that's faith-based.)

What a preposterous suggestion! I believe religion is just as much a part of who we are as our race is. We can't change our race unless we're as wealthy as Michael Jackson.

Second, do you EVER hear of resume evaluators suggesting to African-Americans (or blacks elsewhere on Earth) to legally change their names to white-sounding ones? Shoniqua, Tamika, Lashonda, Aisha, Tyronica will have less call-back rates than Shanel, Talia, Leota, Alexa, and Tela. (I'm not acting racist; see the source link below.)

http://www.weneedtostop.com/2008/09/war ... undin.html

I believe that if some Anti-Christian doesn't want to hire me for my faith, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed working there anyway.

Has this happened to you? What other preposterous suggestions did resume evaluators give you?


1. it is overkill and completely unrelated to the job.

2. it is not related to people changing their names or their races.

Now if you volunteered in job-related fields, you would describe that in detail. For example, I would describe how I volunteered to tutor students in math, or to coach a little league team, or sponsored a club... for a job as a teacher. Not for a job in construction. Otherwise I would just put down that I volunteer each summer for various charities and that I can provide a list upon request.


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19 Jan 2009, 8:07 am

For a construction type job, these volunteer activities seem completely relevant and noteworthy, for the most part. At most, I'd tweak the language here and there, to give it a more 'neutral' tone. For example

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Enhanced and gained new religion-based leadership skills at the Leadership Training Camp through Bible studies and other chapel meetings, thus gaining stronger morals as a leader.
would read better as "Enhanced and gained leadership skills at the Leadership Training Camp through group studies and other meetings, thus gaining stronger supervisory ability." Keep the focus on the skills needed and less on the church-centric stuff, and you'll have a resume anybody will appreciate.


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19 Jan 2009, 1:16 pm

it's probably a good idea. Same with political activities. Too bad, the only volunteering/community stuff I've done is either political, religious, or to do with drug/alcohol addiction groups so I can't put anything on there...



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19 Jan 2009, 1:40 pm

EgaoNoGenki wrote:
I had someone critique my resume the other month...

Do you have any technical skills?


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19 Jan 2009, 4:43 pm

EgaoNoGenki, i think you're just giving too much information about your volunteer work.

It would probably be better to just mention the skills you gained such as leadership, organization, communication and construction skills (if relevant to the job) in the Skills section of your resume, and just state in your Interests that you enjoy volunteering in your spare time, with maybe one or two sentences describing it. After all, they will ask you about it in the interview if they want to know more.

Your resume is supposed to show employers what relevant skills you can offer them, not a detailed month by month description of your life.



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20 Jan 2009, 4:57 pm

> I believe religion is just as much a part of who we are as our race is.

Well, not really, because people frequenly change and choose religions, but as you point out only Michael Jackson has tried to permanently change his race, apparently.

You don't have to leave off all religious things, but there is too much information there, information that would only be of interest to someone hiring you for a religious job of some sort. Maybe even too much for them. As some have pointed out, the name of the pamphlet is irrelevant. The religious goals you were supporting are irrelevant.

Focus it on your skills and try to tone down the religion because religion is a flashpoint for conflict. It's like when someone's gay and always bringing that forward when we don't need to know. In a professional environment, we don't need to know all your personal issues.



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26 Jan 2009, 2:42 pm

I agree- remove anything overtly religious or political and you'll be fine.

As a side note- while some employers do appreciate volunteer work it is not given the same weight as having an actual job. I'd list your technical/professional experience first, then your extra-cirricular last. I reviewed resumes as a HR assistant and spent all of 30 seconds reading them. If it didn't catch my attention then it went in the garbage.



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26 Jan 2009, 4:07 pm

Contact information at the top, career goals below that, education below that, job experience below that, and then if you have space, charitable work at the bottom. I think the religious side is overstressed in your example. Proseletizing is not a job skill, but the construction stuff is worth a mention. You could leave it all for the interview.



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26 Jan 2009, 8:01 pm

EgaoNoGenki wrote:
My Volunteer work is towards the top of the resume because employers like those who are charitable-minded, do they not?


If your employer is going to be a charity. If you are trying to get a job as a loan officer such a focus on charity might cause you not to get the job. Like others have said, you need to focus your resume on the nature of the job--ergo, that is what you highlight.

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What a preposterous suggestion! I believe religion is just as much a part of who we are as our race is. We can't change our race unless we're as wealthy as Michael Jackson.


Then you appear to have a conflict. IF you equate your religious beliefs to race, and race should not be considered, then neither should religion--or the activities you've participated in.

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I believe that if some Anti-Christian doesn't want to hire me for my faith, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed working there anyway.


Just make sure the problem is that they are anti-Christian and not that you've made yourself look like a liability. Honestly, with all the charity work you have, being on the top and your outspoken nature (in this thread) over this I am left to wonder how available for work you will be. Are you going to ask for a lot of time off to go and do charity? If so, that would be a legitimate strike against you in the workplace; ergo, a created liability.



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26 Jan 2009, 8:32 pm

I examine résumés focussed on technical expertise. If a résumé is "padded" with volunteer work to make it seem bigger, then I'm likely to ignore it in favor of one that follows the standard "previous ten years of employment" format.

And by "employment," I mean what a person does to earn a paycheck. And if a person does not want to earn a paycheck, then that says to me that he or she places little or no value upon his or her labors.

Now, as for the "religious" part, it does not matter, as long as the person is both willing and able to be where he is supposed to be, when he is supposed to be there, and doing what he is supposed to be doing as effectively and efficiently as possible, while getting along with co-workers, clients, and vendors!

So, if the fundamentalist moslems and the orthodox jews are constantly at each other's throats, the fundamentalist christians are trying to "save" everybody, and the fundamentalist wiccans are practicing their deosil dances, then who the *&^%$#@ is doing the work, and why the *&^%$#@ should I keep all those fundies employed?

If instead, I see résumés (employment histories) with no mention of a religious background, and the person does not volunteer such information, then all I have to focus on are skills, credit rating, criminal record, education, and career-related accomplishments - the important stuff.

If I ask "Have you done any volunteer work?" and the person mentions working with religious charities, then I'm still not going to enquire into their religious beliefs. It's kind of a "Don't Ask; Don't Tell; It's None of My Concern" policy, because it all comes down to whether or not the person is both able and willing to do the work, and part of the work involves getting along with people of a wide variety of religious persuasions.

Don't tell me what you believe, tell me what you know and what you do. That's what a résumé is all about.


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27 Jan 2009, 12:38 am

When I put down activities/extracarriculars/volunteer work that I did for when I applied at a few jobs they asked that I don't put down anything that deals with signaling out a group, or doing something with religion, etc. I believe because they do want to keep that seperate, and some stuff just isn't needed to know. I dunno that is what i was told.



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27 Jan 2009, 11:54 pm

Omitting something from a resume is completely different from changing your name. For example, I have a fairly large volunteer role in a nonprofit group relating to sexuality, but I'll only mention that when I apply for more "liberal" jobs. When you submit a resume, you usually want to go the safe route and err on the side of caution. Employers only like to see volunteer work (or anything, for that matter) if it's relevant. You can emphasize your leadership experience, but as you have it now, the descriptions of your ministries are way too detailed. Just my $.02