Well when it comes to having income I guess I'm screwed.
Honestly, if your only reason for dropping out is the belief that you won't be able to repay your student loans, I urge you to strongly reconsider.
For the most part, career success as an aspie means finding a career where you can get away with having "good" days and "bad" days as long as you occasionally pull off a marathon and get everything that needs to be done finished on time, and ideally have minimal forced interpersonal contact. With VERY few exceptions, careers like that require a college degree. Most of the time, it doesn't matter what your degree is IN, as long as you have one in SOMETHING.
The cold truth is that it's expensive to be aspie, and if you have ADD overlaid on top, you can probably double the "aspie tax" you'll end up paying for things like psych visits, meds insurance won't cover, late fees on bills you forgot about, and everything else.
Look at it this way: if you get a degree, and can't repay your student loans due to unemployment, are you really any worse off than if you have no degree and end up equally broke and unemployed? It's not like they can make you sell body parts or plasma to pay your student loans. At least with a degree in something, you'll have a fighting chance.
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For the most part, career success as an aspie means finding a career where you can get away with having "good" days and "bad" days as long as you occasionally pull off a marathon and get everything that needs to be done finished on time, and ideally have minimal forced interpersonal contact. With VERY few exceptions, careers like that require a college degree. Most of the time, it doesn't matter what your degree is IN, as long as you have one in SOMETHING.
The cold truth is that it's expensive to be aspie, and if you have ADD overlaid on top, you can probably double the "aspie tax" you'll end up paying for things like psych visits, meds insurance won't cover, late fees on bills you forgot about, and everything else.
Look at it this way: if you get a degree, and can't repay your student loans due to unemployment, are you really any worse off than if you have no degree and end up equally broke and unemployed? It's not like they can make you sell body parts or plasma to pay your student loans. At least with a degree in something, you'll have a fighting chance.
Well I really don't have any way to pay back my loans.......I mean I might be intelligent but I've been so stressed and such lately I can't hardly focus on college anyways so it does not make much sense to take out loans when I have no real plans of how i would ever pay it back I mean I have been doing this college thing for a long time and I don't feel like I've gotten anywere other than in debt.
Also this may seem strange but I am not very intrested in a career, I mean making income to me is not something I want to define my life by.....though yes I would need to find a job were my difficulties are understood to some extent.
Also I can't afford insurance so I don't get any psych visits, meds....and the only bill I have other then having to pay back college loans which are probably in total more money then I can ever hope to make in a decent amount of time(luckily I can defer those payments) is my cheap pay as you go phone cause thats about all I can afford to commit to.
I mean if I was well on my way to getting a degree it would be one thing but as it stands now I don't know that I would be getting a degree because I have no idea what I'm doing.
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I know even if I got that job I would get fired, because I would not be able to wash the dishes fast enough.
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I know even if I got that job I would get fired, because I would not be able to wash the dishes fast enough.
That's how I was when I got "stuck" in restaurants when I was 18. I was very scrawny, no strength or endurance, very clumsy, no speed. That stuff took years of work to build up. When I was about 32, I realized that I had actually built some strength over the years. But it wasn't really an impediment, at first, so much as it is a bonus now.
Washing dishes is more about using time efficiently than it is about moving very quickly. Usually you are limited by the machine's timing anyway, which at many restaurants is about 3 minutes per load. So it was more about coming up with a system, and I am nothing if I'm not completely systematic, good at recognizing patterns. So you have 3 minutes to load a new rack and put one rack of dishes away. If you group up your dishes wisely on the rack when they go in, say one row of platters, one row of cups and one row of mugs, then you only have to put 3 things away. A good dishwasher never has to run.
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I know even if I got that job I would get fired, because I would not be able to wash the dishes fast enough.
That's how I was when I got "stuck" in restaurants when I was 18. I was very scrawny, no strength or endurance, very clumsy, no speed. That stuff took years of work to build up. When I was about 32, I realized that I had actually built some strength over the years. But it wasn't really an impediment, at first, so much as it is a bonus now.
Washing dishes is more about using time efficiently than it is about moving very quickly. Usually you are limited by the machine's timing anyway, which at many restaurants is about 3 minutes per load. So it was more about coming up with a system, and I am nothing if I'm not completely systematic, good at recognizing patterns. So you have 3 minutes to load a new rack and put one rack of dishes away. If you group up your dishes wisely on the rack when they go in, say one row of platters, one row of cups and one row of mugs, then you only have to put 3 things away. A good dishwasher never has to run.
Yeah that sounds extremely overwhelming, I mean I am sure one can get better with practice.........but there is also all the criticizim you get if you don't do things quick enough and that sort of thing stresses me out because then I try to go quicker and end up screwing up even worse. Not to mention the loud hot kitchen with no windows I'd be stuck in while doing the job. I had a waitressing job once and that convinced me I probably don't wanna do anything like that unless i can find a really chill family owned place or something that is.
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Yeah that would not be too bad......lol or I was going to apply at all the smoke shops in my area, as those places tend to be quite laid back. Though I don't know that any of them are hiring.
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Yes provided I got along with the other employees I could imagine doing something like that......but I will admit not getting along with the other employees and feeling disliked by them does effect my work performance because it stresses me out and puts me in a terrible mood.
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Well, the sad fact is, short of becoming a nun in a strict order that takes vows of solitude and silence (which isn't really a viable option unless you're Catholic and can at least pretend to be religious), just about any job is going to force you to deal with others at some point. What you have to do is find a career where you aren't assaulted by forced social interaction constantly and can buffer yourself. It's one thing to deal with coworkers for 30 minutes in a staff meeting. It's another matter entirely to be forced to interact with others from the moment you walk in the door.
Actually, I can think of two Aspie-friendly careers that don't (necessarily) require degrees: park rangers and long-distance truck drivers.
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Actually, I can think of two Aspie-friendly careers that don't (necessarily) require degrees: park rangers and long-distance truck drivers.
Intrestingly enough that was an idea I had, but then I figured if it came to light I don't actually follow a religion, and don't follow that strict code things might not go so well......so that's out. lol
Also I don't mind dealing with others, I actually like people.......the issue is people who are mean to me and treat me like crap, I don't deal with that very well at all because I don't get that higher level of social interaction some people do were they know exactly when someone has crossed the line and can in a mature manner that settles it stand up for themself to that person. With my I get my timing wrong and then everyone thinks I'm an idiot who made a big deal of nothing.
I am not too fond of isolation actually.........and I don't drive so those might not work so well. Im thinking my best bet is the local headshops were they sell pipes, ciggerettes, rolling papers, fake marijuana, lighters, bongs and stuff like that the only problem I can see with that is I don't know that any are hiring.
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For the most part, career success as an aspie means finding a career where you can get away with having "good" days and "bad" days as long as you occasionally pull off a marathon and get everything that needs to be done finished on time, and ideally have minimal forced interpersonal contact. With VERY few exceptions, careers like that require a college degree. Most of the time, it doesn't matter what your degree is IN, as long as you have one in SOMETHING.
The cold truth is that it's expensive to be aspie, and if you have ADD overlaid on top, you can probably double the "aspie tax" you'll end up paying for things like psych visits, meds insurance won't cover, late fees on bills you forgot about, and everything else.
Look at it this way: if you get a degree, and can't repay your student loans due to unemployment, are you really any worse off than if you have no degree and end up equally broke and unemployed? It's not like they can make you sell body parts or plasma to pay your student loans. At least with a degree in something, you'll have a fighting chance.
Well I really don't have any way to pay back my loans.......I mean I might be intelligent but I've been so stressed and such lately I can't hardly focus on college anyways so it does not make much sense to take out loans when I have no real plans of how i would ever pay it back I mean I have been doing this college thing for a long time and I don't feel like I've gotten anywere other than in debt.
Also this may seem strange but I am not very intrested in a career, I mean making income to me is not something I want to define my life by.....though yes I would need to find a job were my difficulties are understood to some extent.
Also I can't afford insurance so I don't get any psych visits, meds....and the only bill I have other then having to pay back college loans which are probably in total more money then I can ever hope to make in a decent amount of time(luckily I can defer those payments) is my cheap pay as you go phone cause thats about all I can afford to commit to.
I mean if I was well on my way to getting a degree it would be one thing but as it stands now I don't know that I would be getting a degree because I have no idea what I'm doing.
I'm in the same situation!
not REALLY progressing, think I won't be able to graduate anyway (I study languages so I need to have conversation classes I'm terrified of :s), can't afford it anymore...
but don't want to end up having a low paid job I don't like...
I don't really care about a career either, but want to have just a little bit of freedom and more options than I have now, because I can't even find a 'under my level' job right now
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My suggestion is to get whatever job you can - McDonalds, washing cars, whatever. It doesn't matter if you suck, because no one cares anyway. If you have an IQ above 12 you'll be better than most of their employees.
Mcdonalds would not be a job I can get because its fast paced, stressfull and the environment would set off all my sensory issues. so even if I got hired I would be fired probably on the first day for being too slow. Besides I refuse to support Mcdonalds their food makes me want to die so I have no desire to be stuck smelling it all day.
washing cars is more of a summer job...
But whatever life to me is not about working a job I hate to live a life I don't really enjoy.
So, basically, like the Occupy Wall Street people, 'can't find a job' means 'i'm too good for jobs that will actually employ me'? Can't say I have much sympathy for that, coming from a family that was scratch-farming hard earth not 60 years ago.
StonedMoonie,
How can I applaud you?
If all of society was like you, stonedmoonie, our economy and society wouldn't be so screwed up with this entitlement "I want a job I love that's good enough for me" attitude.
I suppose it's hopeless to try to get people who refuse to work jobs that are beneath them to accept open jobs. Some don't even try, blaming their issues/past/other people/disorders for causing a problem before they even try. This girl might be able to get training and mental help so she could work at McDs and not get fired the first day. Instead, she says "I WILL get fired the first day... so I WON"T try to work there." Yeah, no wonder our society is screwed. If the farmers from 60 years ago could hear this attitude, they would laugh.
You're wise for 19 years old, moonie. It's shocking people say "I'm so screwed about jobs" when they're not willing to work the jobs available, and the jobs they would enjoy they don't have the education or experience for.
Yeah, we noticed.
But no career = no job = no income.
No job = no income = no way to pay back loans.
No job = no income = no money for housing and food.
No income = no job benefit of health insurance to cover the mental help treatment you need.
No job = no income.
See why people want jobs? To make money and have the above.
Unless the sky starts raining money on your for sitting doing nothing, you need a job to get money.
I did a masters, and took out a loan to do it. I regret it now as I could not get a job afterwards, and they were still demanding payment. The payment was a lot of money, and it was only just paying off the interest the loan was accruing. Fortunately my GF's father offered to pay it off on the understanding I would repay him when I could, which I reluctantly accepted. I hoped the masters would be the magic ingredient to help me get a job. That edge over people with just an undergraduate degree. Unfortunately it wasn't, as I hadn't quite accepted yet my difficulties lay in my Asperger's and subsequent ability to do well in interview. If there's any chance it will put you in financial hardship afterwards don't do it. I would highly recommend anyone in the UK do a degree under the UK loans system though, as you don't begin repaying until you earn a certain amount - so you have no need to worry about paying it back.
In terms of washing cars, I think Aspies would be quite inclined towards what is known as detailing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_detailing Unfortunately the general public often don't understand why they should spend £100-200 for you to spend a whole day cleaning it, when they can take it to the place where illegal immigrants, with stone filled sponges to scratch their car, can "clean" it for £4.
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