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When looking at a job, the job posting should indicate the requirements. For example, mine requires "College degree and 2 years IT experience" my previous job required "High School degree and 3 years it support experience." That will give you an idea of what the level of expectation for prior knowledge will be.

Reviewing the requirements will indicate what level of experience is needed.



No two jobs are different.



Ask your manager for an organizational chart. It will show you the chain of command, where you are, everyone's managers, everything you need to know.



Yes, it's called an organizational chart.

So, what you're telling me is the hierarchy is not universal am I correct? How does a college student who is trying to obtain an IT job determine where the bottom is at. In fact, I even tried to go for janitorial jobs since I couldn't find an IT job. They required experience as well. I even applied at places like walmart for min wage positions.

First, I had major problems interpreting the questions on the personality tests? How do I interpret them correctly?

Second, No one called me back. I told others this and they said to call them back. I did and this was a waste of my time. All they told me was they would call me back if they had a position. Obviously, I handled it wrong someway, somehow. For me, trying to figure out the workplace was hell for me.

You have to search. I mean there's no job that's going to train you if you can barley turn a PC on, but you really have to look hard. Try Craigslist just beware of scammers. Also, if you are into computers, take your A+ certification test.



There not terribly easy to find, but they do exist.



Ops, I meant no two jobs are alike, so i can't give you a general org chart.



First of all, it's not uncommon not to get called. I applied for many jobs I never heard from.

College students would look for entry level jobs, by looking at the experience required. Usually things like call centers and such. Tier 1 troubleshooting. A college student might also consult the college career center.

So what kind of, and how much experience do you have?

There not terribly easy to find, but they do exist.[/quote]

Well I tried it for a whole year and a half. I got nowhere. I had to eventually claim disability after not being able to obtain a job at wal-mart or mcdonalds. I did have a job in which I lasted a week and a half but they claimed I was going to slow. It had nothing to do with programming.





Well it is said that one has to start at the bottom am I right? This tells me there is a hierarchial structural am I correct?

If one can't tell me the hierarchy then I have to ask how does one determine what the bottom is. If I climb down a very deep valley more than likely I will eventually reach a bottom.





I accept that.



I only recently learned about a few months ago after three years of wracking brain years that one was supposed to go to entry level jobs. What is tier 1 troubleshooting?

For me, it is to late now to go to the career center? What exactly would I have asked of the career center?




I am good with vb.net, access, html, some oracle, have used sqlserver

In detail, what is the formula for the calcuation of experience? How do I determine this?

There are a lot of IT jobs that require no experience. Programming a robot to hang drywall for example. No one has ever done this so how can they expect you to have experience? You can start at the bottom by learning to install drywall manually at first.

I was going to argue with you at first and say I disagree but I have some doubts about my own conclusions. The reason is because time has passed. Okay, I am a seeker of truth so maybe certain conditions have changed since the time I looked and wracked my brains out. I will go ahead and look again and see what happens. You've peaked my curiosity.



Really??? This is so cool. Again my friend, you've peaked my curiosity. I'm going research this myself but what do you know about this robot?

Oh yes, there is a hierarchical structure, but the specifics are not the same for every company. Very generally it would be employees report to managers who report to directors, but you can have all kinds of variation. For example you could also have employees in teams who report to a team leader who reports to a manager who reports to a regional director who reports to an Associate Vice President. Get an org chart when you start working and you will have no problem understanding the hierarchy. When your applying, you can look for words like "manager" and "senior" in the title to indicate they probably require decent amounts of experience.



In IT organizations that use a tiered support model, it's usually this way:

Tier 1: Basic troubleshooting such as "I can't log in." Tier 1 will also do an assessment if there are more serious problems and forward it to tier 2. Tier 1 is usually in a call center.

Tier 2: Direct troubleshooting, visiting clients, setting up computers and troubleshooting advanced issues.

Tier 3: High level support such as server operations, engineers, and others.



They would help you understand the job search process, what to look for, things like that. They also get vacancy listings.



It's not really detailed. If you've been working at a job for x amount of time doing those things, that is your total experience.

Well for one thing there are hand crank machines to hang drywall on ceilings but they are only used by the amateur weekend warriors because professionals are too macho. Scissor lifts are used to lift drywall but they cannot be considered robots and drywall hangers prefer scaffolds because it is more macho. Future machines will have omni-directional steering like the rovers on Mars but if you need one of those machines it means you don't know how to drive. Advanced screw guns use collated screws but the industry has not accepted this technology yet because only autistics fumble the screws. Carpentry craft unions that control the drywall trade also control the installation of industrial robotics and they let me sign 2 out of work lists. Not even the electricians know how to program an industrial robot so the company I work for has to fly in programers from Japan lest they give the job to an autistic geek who has no business having a job in the first place because he can't fit in.