The obsession with getting us back into work?

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Wandering_Stranger
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06 Jun 2013, 7:49 am

I suggested she "finds me a job" because there are actually none out there that I can actually do without the risk of either extreme pain or a meltdown or other unwanted behaviour. It sounded as though she thought she was some sort of expert, when she clearly isn't.

I've had this discussion about work with the GP who signed me off and he was at a loss of what I could do. I am also physically disabled and working full time wouldn't be possible at all.



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10 Jun 2013, 3:17 pm

Things are very bizarre in the UK at the moment, especially with the UK work program. Those out of work are being encouraged to look for work more than they have ever been before and it is at a time when jobs are even more scarce than before.

So we have special advisers to investigate the "barriers" to getting into work. But everyone seems to be forgetting the massive elephant in the room - there are hardly any jobs and over five times more people looking for jobs. Plus there are millions of part time workers who are after full time jobs but cannot find them.

Jobs must be provided if people are expected to work, but instead they are being taken away.



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10 Jun 2013, 6:28 pm

Ann2011 wrote:
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I receive ESA and am in the support group. This means that I am not required to look for work. Yet my "support worker" keeps telling me I have to get a job. Ok then, find me one which involves minimal interaction with people and won't cause me a meltdown or physical pain due to the noise or lights.

I think it's important to work. Not knowing what your physical disability is, I won't make any suggestions. But even if it's just a few hours a week, it makes a difference. Work and compensation is how society functions. In a sense you are infantilized if you don't participate at all. But if you can't get a job (which, at least, where I am, are hard to find,) try volunteering. I think it's important to contribute to society some how.


Well you have to find someone to hire you which is iossible if you have poor work history



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13 Jun 2013, 2:24 pm

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Has anyone from the UK had this:


Quite a few friends on the spectrum have said the same. It seems as though everyone wants us to work; but they won't offer us the support we need to get a job and stay there.

I am also physically disabled, which makes getting a job difficult.


what about getting someone to interview (let alone hire) you.. Getting a job is not like shopping for a shirt, you cannot get a job if no one will hire you and if you have a less than perfect work history it becomes virtually impossible



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15 Jul 2013, 5:52 pm

Im just wondering how many level twos are deemed acceptable on an allowance your given.
I know there are hours and time you put in which I need to adhere to but this was the only thread about it that offered any help or suggestion so can you do different courses at the same level but have a different awarding body im not sure. I'll ring up anyway, before my next appointment.



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16 Jul 2013, 9:43 pm

I know it is a long shot, but are there jobs that let you telecommute?



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17 Jul 2013, 4:14 pm

I see what you're saying there but long-distance commuting is not an option at this stage.
However, I am prepared to cover some short distances to speed up the shortage I currently am feeling in this recession and needing to set some key options in order to 'prep' me shall I put it, for long term placements, and no, to anyone else who thinks i'm going about things the wrong way, because believe me, every angle has been rewritten back to front and i'm not prepared to head back in the opposite direction now.



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18 Jul 2013, 2:00 am

I'm 51 years old and was only diagnosed four years ago. I've never had a job and am desperate to work, probably far too desperate to be honest. I receive no help whatsoever in finding work though.

Having a job is how you participate in, and contribute to, society. Most people meet their partners through their work and it's a wonderful opportunity to learn new skills and meet new people [because you have to] who might introduce you to new and amazing ideas.

I cannot understand this reluctance to have a job.


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18 Jul 2013, 3:10 am

danum wrote:

I cannot understand this reluctance to have a job.


I don't think anyone is reluctant to have a job. I think any reluctance comes down to interacting in the workplace. If there were jobs where you could work alone with minimal interaction most aspies would go for it.



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18 Jul 2013, 3:40 am

Robdemanc wrote:
danum wrote:

I cannot understand this reluctance to have a job.


I don't think anyone is reluctant to have a job. I think any reluctance comes down to interacting in the workplace. If there were jobs where you could work alone with minimal interaction most aspies would go for it.


Yeah. I too wanted to quote that quote, as I feel that too much emphasis these days are on how quick you are intellectually and act socially, now how I act and feel is how I reserve my judgement in almost any topic that requires perseverance and patience, which is why I am now opting for a career in the medical world.



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24 Jul 2013, 3:15 pm

Don't you know you should be contributing to the economy so millions of single mothers can have welfare instead of you?

Gosh.



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01 Aug 2013, 3:32 am

Many NTs assume that the more competent you are, the more high-paying your career is. If you don't even have any job, they will dismiss you as an imcompetent idiot. (I typed this based on my own experiences.) :(



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01 Aug 2013, 4:04 am

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Don't you know you should be contributing to the economy so millions of single mothers can have welfare instead of you?

Gosh.


I dont know about my country, but in mine single moms dont get welfare for being single mums. They have less taxes on their earnings. There is a money supply for the baby caring person as well for about 18 months, but this goes to everyone fitting to this discreption, man, woman, single, married, living in an commune...

Are you sure about your countries welfare, or are you just repeating some prejudices without proofing them.



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01 Aug 2013, 9:21 am

Schneekugel wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Don't you know you should be contributing to the economy so millions of single mothers can have welfare instead of you?

Gosh.


I dont know about my country, but in mine single moms dont get welfare for being single mums. They have less taxes on their earnings. There is a money supply for the baby caring person as well for about 18 months, but this goes to everyone fitting to this discreption, man, woman, single, married, living in an commune...

Are you sure about your countries welfare, or are you just repeating some prejudices without proofing them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid_to_Fam ... t_Children



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02 Aug 2013, 12:44 am

According to the link you posted, what you speak about has already been reformed 1993?

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Reform[edit source | editbeta]

In 1996, President Bill Clinton negotiated with the Republican-controlled Congress to pass the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act which drastically restructured the program. Among other changes, a lifetime limit of five years was imposed for the receipt of benefits, and the newly-limited nature of the replacement program was reinforced by calling AFDC's successor Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Many Americans continue to refer to TANF as "welfare" or AFDC.

TANF has remained controversial. In 2003, LaShawn Y. Warren, an ACLU Legislative Counsel, said that TANF gives states an incentive "to deny benefits to those who need it most. The solution to getting people out of the cycle of poverty is not to prematurely kick them off welfare. Too many have been denied aid unfairly, creating a false impression that the number of people who need help has decreased."[15]

In 2006, The New Republic suggested, "A broad consensus now holds that welfare reform was certainly not a disaster—and that it may, in fact, have worked much as its designers had hoped."[16] More recent results, notably taking into account the effects of the Financial crisis of 2007–2010 and taking place after the lifetime limits imposed by TANF may have been reached by many recipients, suggest instead that the reforms have not been as successful as originally claimed.[17]



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02 Aug 2013, 7:00 am

Schneekugel wrote:
According to the link you posted, what you speak about has already been reformed 1993?
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Reform[edit source | editbeta]

In 1996, President Bill Clinton negotiated with the Republican-controlled Congress to pass the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act which drastically restructured the program. Among other changes, a lifetime limit of five years was imposed for the receipt of benefits, and the newly-limited nature of the replacement program was reinforced by calling AFDC's successor Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Many Americans continue to refer to TANF as "welfare" or AFDC.

TANF has remained controversial. In 2003, LaShawn Y. Warren, an ACLU Legislative Counsel, said that TANF gives states an incentive "to deny benefits to those who need it most. The solution to getting people out of the cycle of poverty is not to prematurely kick them off welfare. Too many have been denied aid unfairly, creating a false impression that the number of people who need help has decreased."[15]

In 2006, The New Republic suggested, "A broad consensus now holds that welfare reform was certainly not a disaster—and that it may, in fact, have worked much as its designers had hoped."[16] More recent results, notably taking into account the effects of the Financial crisis of 2007–2010 and taking place after the lifetime limits imposed by TANF may have been reached by many recipients, suggest instead that the reforms have not been as successful as originally claimed.[17]


Still many more state benefits for single mothers vs other people, especially in cases of food stamps, housing, etc.