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Solvejg
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07 Nov 2013, 4:12 pm

The reason someone works while in college is to show to a perspective employer that they have real world experience and they are not some spoiled kid who will quit at the first form of conflict. With so many people applying for jobs, employers can pick and choose and will always pick the hard working candidate. Thus your degree will be like an expensive piece of paper and you will be stuck in a lower payed dogs body job and never get anywhere. Or you will quit and then make excuses and sit in your parents home eating up their retirement so they have to work longer to support you playing computer games.

Totally selfish.


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07 Nov 2013, 4:37 pm

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The reason someone works while in college is to show to a perspective employer that they have real world experience and they are not some spoiled kid who will quit at the first form of conflict. With so many people applying for jobs, employers can pick and choose and will always pick the hard working candidate. Thus your degree will be like an expensive piece of paper and you will be stuck in a lower payed dogs body job and never get anywhere. Or you will quit and then make excuses and sit in your parents home eating up their retirement so they have to work longer to support you playing computer games.

Totally selfish.


My on campus employment repaid it'self 10 fold when I graduated and they asked me back as a full time employee. I graduated with 4 years experience in IT Support by working while going to school.

Working during college is one of the most incredible things you can do to position yourself near the front of the pack.



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07 Nov 2013, 5:27 pm

The idea that everyone has some obligation to the taxpayer is certainly my choice for worst and most widespread modern social-general myth. Or general idea. There is no moral component to being 'a taxpayer'. It's not a righteous position. The individual has no influence or stake in state spending in reality and no choice in 'paying' tax. It's not really a payment, it's mostly purely formally redirected funds beyond your control anyway.

There is no obligation. You did not opt in to this terrible system. Working life involves suffering. Non working life involves suffering. If someone can keep it together outside of employment, I'm pleased for them. I am totally in favour of people not ruining their lives with work. And I work. Once I finally got into it, it turned into the path of least resistance to go with the routine and drudgery. Well, until now, because I've crashed out of work recently. Maybe permanently, I have no idea.

In the UK, at least, about two thirds of students are not employed in any way during terms. I eventually graduated. Several years late. Without doing any term working, but with work in a gap in study. I got employment based on paper qualifications basically, but it took a while.

I'll pretend that 'my' tax money is being separated from the treasury by magic and used solely for social security for those who can't cope with the work world, psychologically and physically. That's fine by me. Then those who are offended by people being out of work can pretend 'their' tax money is used for everything else :) .



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08 Nov 2013, 9:33 am

There's a HUGE difference between someone who is out of work and someone who chooses to be out of work. If your out of work and down on your luck, that's ok, you deserve help. If your saying "Oh I'd rather sit and home and play video games and let other people work so I get a check every month to play." that is a problem.



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08 Nov 2013, 9:52 am

Jut because someone would rather sit at home playing video games and "chooses" that doesn't mean that they are capable of work. Most people capable of work would choose to work unless they are supported by a rich family or something since things like ssi and welfare barely even give enough to survive.



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08 Nov 2013, 3:46 pm

hanyo wrote:
Jut because someone would rather sit at home playing video games and "chooses" that doesn't mean that they are capable of work. Most people capable of work would choose to work unless they are supported by a rich family or something since things like ssi and welfare barely even give enough to survive.


If they are truly not capable of working, that is fine. But the tone of the post suggested to me that the person could work but was choosing not to.



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08 Nov 2013, 4:15 pm

How do do you work? You have time to yourself after you get off work. You have time to yourself on your days off. Your mother gets up early because of the kind of job she has and she has kids to take care of.

What I used to do when I worked full time was get up an hour before I have to go to work. Do computer and watch TV. Come home and do my things again after getting off at five. When I worked swing shift, I would get up at ten in the morning and do my things until getting ready at two and then leaving around 2:20 PM I would get off at 11PM, come home around midnight and do my free time until two in the morning and sleep until ten am. But then I had no time for my husband of course and I had no children either to take care of so things were different then when I worked full time.

Even a part time job is good enough IMO because it's only four hours a day and at least you are still earning money and you won't have to worry about getting exhausted or not having any time for yourself.


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08 Nov 2013, 6:30 pm

Voynich wrote:
The idea that everyone has some obligation to the taxpayer is certainly my choice for worst and most widespread modern social-general myth. Or general idea. There is no moral component to being 'a taxpayer'. It's not a righteous position. The individual has no influence or stake in state spending in reality and no choice in 'paying' tax. .


Amen.



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12 Nov 2013, 10:33 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
hanyo wrote:
Jut because someone would rather sit at home playing video games and "chooses" that doesn't mean that they are capable of work. Most people capable of work would choose to work unless they are supported by a rich family or something since things like ssi and welfare barely even give enough to survive.


If they are truly not capable of working, that is fine. But the tone of the post suggested to me that the person could work but was choosing not to.


well you have to find an employer willing to hire you. If you have even a less than stable continuous work history or something will negatively affect a background check like bad credit, criminal offense if can be nearly impossible to get hired.



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12 Nov 2013, 11:05 am

Nick9075 wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
hanyo wrote:
Jut because someone would rather sit at home playing video games and "chooses" that doesn't mean that they are capable of work. Most people capable of work would choose to work unless they are supported by a rich family or something since things like ssi and welfare barely even give enough to survive.


If they are truly not capable of working, that is fine. But the tone of the post suggested to me that the person could work but was choosing not to.


well you have to find an employer willing to hire you. If you have even a less than stable continuous work history or something will negatively affect a background check like bad credit, criminal offense if can be nearly impossible to get hired.


Is the person actively trying but failing, or just laughing at the people going to work?



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15 Nov 2013, 8:40 am

I have been looking for a job for the past five years. No luck. I do volunteer though, but only for two hours. I love what I do and wish it could be my job.

My mom and sister both work. I have the need built inside of me to do something so I usually spend my days cleaning the house and doing everyone's laundry. I help with dinner too. I don't feel right just sitting around doing nothing. I have to do something.