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Aspie should not work
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03 May 2014, 8:35 am

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That's a good question and bearing in mind that Aspergersyndrome people have only limited amount of job ideas and there is a thing about bullying and harassment of AS people and certain jobs are pout of the question due to the social factors and the dyspraxia that accompanies AS. This would be essentially manual work which needs a decent cerebellum for good hand eye co ordination as well as the social and emotional intelligence to deal with workplace banter (from the point of view of allistics). There are jobs like this which are unsuitable for Asperger syndrome people such as warehouse work such as using a forklift truck or stacking pallets or working on a building site. Some jobs sucn as ones involving interaction with people are in which a person may actually be doing two jobs for the price of one and having the usual workplace demands that come with it that exceed those put on allistic people and disabled people. Often a good job for an Asperger syndrome person is one that he or she can use his or her specialist interest but often there is a rigorous interview process and it is easy for AS people to be stuck in the interview stage.

I have applied for hundreds of job and out of those I has about 50 interviews and only one of these were successful and that was a job which was advertised as a lab assistant's job which only turned out to be filling bottles with lubrication for ultrasound scans the boss was a total w*ker as well. That only lasted three months I could not contunue my college work. I had another round of interviews of which all were unsuccessful and only gained active temporal lobe epileptic seizures as a result. I done agency work whicch was loading lorries (trucks) with sweets (candy) and during lunch the people were just sitting round drinking coffee and the only reading material was porno magazines. Also this is where bullying and harassment was carried out and I in the end just walked out of that and caught the train home.

A year later I was put onto sickness benefit after six months transferred to incapacity benefit and that was in 1987 while the piece of agency work was in August or September 1986. a year later I was working in a work placement at an organisation known by the acronym RITO which provided work for people with physical disabilities non allistic and people with mental health problems. There I was emotionally abused by the allistic members of staff there and taken for granted for 6 years which escallated by post traumatic stress disorder. By 1991 I had developed anhedonia due to years of being taken for granted. :arrow:

yes thats what i am trying to say working only aggravates the problem
i feel stupid around allistic people and they exploit my stupidness


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03 May 2014, 8:40 am

In the current US political climate, Tawaki, I'd suspect that a lot of Social Security Administrators see it as their job to deny as many claims as they can.



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03 May 2014, 3:31 pm

It is not a matter of should but have to. Chances are low of getting and keeping a position because employers increasingly want skills autistics are weak at. So in some ways ASD's are more of an impairment for employment then it is for people differently physically abled these days. But as noted many judges fail to understand it that.

While this many not happen to you there is a reasonable chance you may face a choice between going flat broke and losing your mind from abuse.

But it may not turn out that way. Odds may be poor but they are not none. Attitudes vary widely from brutally hostile to accepting.

So the answer is while one should have low expectations one should try. You need be aware that the line between realism and being so pessimistic that you defeat yourself is a hard one to determine. Autistics do get positions that range from tolerable but pays the bills to rewarding and lucrative. It is partly a matter of location and circumstance. Getting SSDI is also a crapshoot.


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04 May 2014, 1:03 am

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So the answer is while one should have low expectations one should try. You need be aware that the line between realism and being so pessimistic that you defeat yourself is a hard one to determine. Autistics do get positions that range from tolerable but pays the bills to rewarding and lucrative. It is partly a matter of location and circumstance. Getting SSDI is also a crapshoot.


This ^ I agree with. Though I don't think there is a job an aspie CANNOT have. Some may have harder times than others. I've worked in factories and warehouses. I have driven a forklift (Just like videogames :P) I have worked in fast food, theme parks, IT phone support and Convenience. You will always have the bullies, and the bad bosses, and the stresses. But you have to just go home, rest and rewind. Get rid of those stresses before you come into work and do your best!

Failure does not look so bad, if you already expected to fail. Every day you don't fail is a small victory!



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04 May 2014, 4:24 am

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So the answer is while one should have low expectations one should try. You need be aware that the line between realism and being so pessimistic that you defeat yourself is a hard one to determine. Autistics do get positions that range from tolerable but pays the bills to rewarding and lucrative. It is partly a matter of location and circumstance. Getting SSDI is also a crapshoot.


This ^ I agree with. Though I don't think there is a job an aspie CANNOT have. Some may have harder times than others. I've worked in factories and warehouses. I have driven a forklift (Just like videogames :P) I have worked in fast food, theme parks, IT phone support and Convenience. You will always have the bullies, and the bad bosses, and the stresses. But you have to just go home, rest and rewind. Get rid of those stresses before you come into work and do your best!

Failure does not look so bad, if you already expected to fail. Every day you don't fail is a small victory!


Mostly agree with a couple of important exceptions. Many if not most jobs Aspies cannot have jobs because employers will not offer it to them (or potential clients will not deal with them) due to their autistic traits. By being realistic I also meant being realistic about getting a job offer. And some aspies cannot not do warehouse, retail, fast food jobs due to motor coordination and executive functioning issues particularly poor multitasking. But one should try because very poor odds are better then the zero chance you have if you do not try.


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04 May 2014, 7:44 am

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I choose to work on a number of public domain coding projects, it's quite likely you used one of them to post this; not only do I sense a lot of pressure to remain outside of any corporate structure in my programming, I think I actually dislike money being involved in science and technology in any sense. I choose to do things for free, for the entire planet or for those who might freely distribute my knowledge, because technology isn't even required for nuclear reactors to function!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nu ... on_reactor


Who pays the bills? I'm only asking because people usually have the luxury of pursuing only volunteer work....



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04 May 2014, 7:54 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
In the current US political climate, Tawaki, I'd suspect that a lot of Social Security Administrators see it as their job to deny as many claims as they can.


What you suspect is true. My case would've been taken by a lawyer since I have co-morbids, one of which is anxiety, for some reason that's more serious than the functional limitations of autism.... In my case it is a vicious unrelenting stress cycle to work in competitive, low-wage, service industry jobs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, however.



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04 May 2014, 8:17 am

kirayng wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
In the current US political climate, Tawaki, I'd suspect that a lot of Social Security Administrators see it as their job to deny as many claims as they can.


What you suspect is true. My case would've been taken by a lawyer since I have co-morbids, one of which is anxiety, for some reason that's more serious than the functional limitations of autism.... In my case it is a vicious unrelenting stress cycle to work in competitive, low-wage, service industry jobs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, however.


I feel you. I have had the good fortune to be able to go back to college while working for my family. It looks like I'll help them get their business in order by the time I finish my undergrad degrees, and then I can leave this depressing little town and go someplace nicer to get a Masters.

My main motivation for continuing to work hard at college comes from my desire to work with smart, highly motivated people. Maybe that way, I won't attract as much scorn from my coworkers as I used to in those service jobs.



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04 May 2014, 1:13 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
kirayng wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
In the current US political climate, Tawaki, I'd suspect that a lot of Social Security Administrators see it as their job to deny as many claims as they can.


What you suspect is true. My case would've been taken by a lawyer since I have co-morbids, one of which is anxiety, for some reason that's more serious than the functional limitations of autism.... In my case it is a vicious unrelenting stress cycle to work in competitive, low-wage, service industry jobs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, however.


I feel you. I have had the good fortune to be able to go back to college while working for my family. It looks like I'll help them get their business in order by the time I finish my undergrad degrees, and then I can leave this depressing little town and go someplace nicer to get a Masters.

My main motivation for continuing to work hard at college comes from my desire to work with smart, highly motivated people. Maybe that way, I won't attract as much scorn from my coworkers as I used to in those service jobs.


Indeed, the service industry is no place for us geniuses. :) It's a shame to have to hide one's intelligence to be accepted by those not worthy of our acceptance of them! (sorry, it's a major cause of grief for me)



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04 May 2014, 2:46 pm

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Indeed, the service industry is no place for us geniuses. :) It's a shame to have to hide one's intelligence to be accepted by those not worthy of our acceptance of them! (sorry, it's a major cause of grief for me)

~sighs~ I don't think I'm a genius by any stretch! but when working in the service industry, I tended to draw back from socializing... like clockwork, just as in school, I'd get comfortable with people and they'd seem to accept me. Then I'd talk... sure, I spent more time with books than people (still do), and my vocabulary reflects that. I'm precise and will use the most apt word at my disposal.
Somehow, if you use a word someone else doesn't know, they take it as an insult and lash out with mockery or some sort.
It's awful. How is my speech about them? How do I know what they know? I just shut up and withdraw whenever that happens.

It's much easier in my work now, people expect me to be odd (I'm in IT).



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04 May 2014, 6:02 pm

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I agree with the notion that it's primarily a case-by-case basis, however I do believe that every aspie should TRY working. I was diagnosed at at the age of 6 and my parents were on board with my condition. Even though at the time, I was furious with my parents, they forced me into a job at age 14. Looking back, if they had not made that decision I would not be who I am today.

Of all places to start out, my first job was at an amusement park. In the open. With the public. No escaping it. Within a few years I adapted and improved across the board. I was basically non-verbal when I started, I've learned to communicate efficiently, handle the public. I look people in the eye when speaking to them. I've worked through my depression. Worked out of laziness. I have a car, a house, bills, responsibilities. NONE of this would have been possible without that experience. I genuinely feel that each aspie should try working for 10 years. If you cannot find and hold a job in that time, and REALLY stick with it, then perhaps you shouldn't be working. Aspergers is a disorder, but not one that cannot be overcome. Get out there and do it! :D

P.S. I too misunderstood the poll.

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Also though I agree it is a good idea to try to work, at least see how it goes but not sure 10 years is the best idea also college can get in the way of working. I have tried both though and neither have worked out. But I can't make myself neurotypical so can't really overcome aspergers, hence the meme I made in response. But I am hoping to be able to work at some point.


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04 May 2014, 6:21 pm

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Many Aspies HAVE to work. SSI, in the US, is pretty much an unattainable goal for one who is diagnosed with what the government would consider a relatively minor disorder.

Moreover, it is GOOD for Aspies to work. Many special interests are expensive to maintain.

Moreover, there is this "pride in oneself" concept floating around.


Actually it is possible to get on SSI with just that diagnoses, provided the individual cannot function well enough for employment.


FWIW...

My husband functions more or less socially at a 12 year old level per his therapist. He was denied SSDI (with an attorney) all the way up to the appeals level.

The judge said Autism was not a big enough reason to be too disabled to work. Especially since he has a university degree, and wasn't diagnosed until age 48.

May people with Autism have better luck IF you are diagnosed before 18, and have that huge paper trail from your school years.

At least in my area, I've know 4 people with HF/Aspergers who were denied SSDI. All were 30+ years old.


Hmm well I know it can depend on the judge and they will try to come up with any reason why your condition isn't severe enough to be a disability. that system does sort of suck....but I wasn't diagnosed till i was 23 and only had records of depression, anxiety and a suicide attempt I was in therapy for at age 15 and even though I've had PTSD symptoms since I was 17 I didn't really get officially 'diagnosed' till pretty recently but I had a therapist who said I had all the symptoms before that. My paper trail kind of sucked but with an attorney they finally decided aspergers, severe depression, anxiety and PTSD with some symptoms of avoident PD though I am not sure where they got that as no medical professionals have brought that disorder up to me where severe enough to prevent me from holding a job. Having a degree probably could reduce someones chances of being approved, I didn't make it through college though and also got SSI not SSDI so I think the qualifications can be a bit different.


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05 May 2014, 4:25 am

I hate to be blunt about it, but YES you can "Simply overcome Aspergers" It's a condition like anything else. You overcome diabetes by diet and exercise. You overcome Aspergers through learning coping mechanisms and studying your behavior to better yourself. 10 years of trying to work is not a long time, considering the common 80 year lifespan. And college isn't going to help you, if you can't cope at work to apply your learned skills. I'll admit that everyone is different, but keeping this dark cloud called aspergers hanging over your head, and saying it's always going to disable you, isn't helping matters.

Just get out there! If you fail, try, try again.



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05 May 2014, 10:20 am

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I hate to be blunt about it, but YES you can "Simply overcome Aspergers" It's a condition like anything else. You overcome diabetes by diet and exercise. You overcome Aspergers through learning coping mechanisms and studying your behavior to better yourself. 10 years of trying to work is not a long time, considering the common 80 year lifespan. And college isn't going to help you, if you can't cope at work to apply your learned skills. I'll admit that everyone is different, but keeping this dark cloud called aspergers hanging over your head, and saying it's always going to disable you, isn't helping matters.

Just get out there! If you fail, try, try again.


Yes I am going to change my entire neurology through sheer willpower :roll:, sorry man not in my reality.

learning coping mechanisms and more about interaction and what not is not the same thing as overcoming aspergers, that would be coping with it. But yeah I don't feel like I am obligated to become 'normal' just to satisfy other people. There are things I've worked on about myself pertaining to the autism and certain things I do to try and work around some traits that might get in the way but I am not any less autistic. I still have rather severe sensory issues....how do you suggest one 'overcomes' that? lol and executive function issues, slow processing speed...........and of course depression, anxiety and PTSD so yes even with all the effort in the world I doubt I'd become a normal person with no mental problems.

Also when did I say aspergers is always going to disable me to the point of not working....I already said I do hope I could work some day and get off SSI, but right now with the AS and all the co-morbid issues I cannot function on a job, and I wouldn't even expect anyone to hire me to be honest....that is if they want an employee who can handle the work load, not miss days for mental health reasons and what not and doesn't have the chance of getting triggerred and going into fight or flight mode. The reality is if I just up and rejected the SSI on account of wanting to do it myself right now....that would leave me applying and applying and failing at the job interveiws with no money with which to afford help for my mental issues in order for them to improve enough to where maybe I can hold a job someday.

I tried repeatedly to get out there and try again, only to keep getting more and more burned out......if I try doing that another 5 years there is a good chance I certainly wouldn't live to be 80 let alone 40 as I'd probably off myself from not being able to handle the stress. Not everyones situation is the same some people have autism without any co-morbid conditions and are high enough functioning to hold a job and be fairly successful in life, some people have very severe autism without co-morbids that is severe enough to prevent them from working full time and for some even part time. There are people with less severe autism with really severe co-morbids. So peoples abilities, what they can and cannot over-come and how long it takes varies a lot...so to pretend we can all just get over being autistic and be normal is a bit far fetched but if that works for you great.


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05 May 2014, 11:45 am

i regreat going out there and working
exposing to people and letting them laugh at me
what i a joke i was
they were avoiding and talking behind my back
whereas i was burning and drowning in anxiety


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