Page 2 of 3 [ 42 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

katiesBoyfriend
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 15 Aug 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 90
Location: Western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, out near the outskirts of the Laniakea supercluster

21 Aug 2014, 3:52 pm

mmcool wrote:
katiesBoyfriend wrote:

<snip>

That's the reality nowadays.

Many job ads are deliberately written that way to disguise what's really going on. Labour law says that all qualified applicants have to be considered. However, quite often a preferred candidate has been unofficially selected, so employers go through the sham effort of holding interviews with people who might be good enough. Those people are ultimately rejected so that the one who is going to get the job is the one who's left over.

The institution I used to teach at did that when my last department head was chosen. It was required to do that not just by law but also by its internal regulations. Most of us, however, knew who was going to get the job.

Going through the dog and pony show prevents hiring discrimination lawsuits and is probably a lot cheaper.

So you can see the point of lieing on the CV?

OK, go ahead and fib. But what's going to happen when you're found out? Maybe someone will call a former employer or one of your references. Suppose their story about something is different than yours. What do you think your chances of getting that job will be? If an employer can't trust you to be truthful about yourself, why should it trust you with its money or other resources?

What if you mis-represented your academic qualifications and your employer finds out about it? I know of an incident where that occurred. At the institution I used to teach at, a certain department head suddenly resigned under mysterious circumstances. A subsequent investigation found that she never earned a particular degree that she claimed she had. She got away with it for years before she was found out but, by committing that fraud, she damaged the institution's reputation and who knows what other harm she did by hiding behind a phony credential.

Eventually, she went on trial, was found guilty of fraud, and did time in the crowbar hotel for her foolishness. Was lying on her CV worth it? She lost everything she worked for and built because of it.



mmcool
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 2012
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 962
Location: England

21 Aug 2014, 5:14 pm

katiesBoyfriend wrote:
mmcool wrote:
katiesBoyfriend wrote:

<snip>

That's the reality nowadays.

Many job ads are deliberately written that way to disguise what's really going on. Labour law says that all qualified applicants have to be considered. However, quite often a preferred candidate has been unofficially selected, so employers go through the sham effort of holding interviews with people who might be good enough. Those people are ultimately rejected so that the one who is going to get the job is the one who's left over.

The institution I used to teach at did that when my last department head was chosen. It was required to do that not just by law but also by its internal regulations. Most of us, however, knew who was going to get the job.

Going through the dog and pony show prevents hiring discrimination lawsuits and is probably a lot cheaper.

So you can see the point of lieing on the CV?

OK, go ahead and fib. But what's going to happen when you're found out? Maybe someone will call a former employer or one of your references. Suppose their story about something is different than yours. What do you think your chances of getting that job will be? If an employer can't trust you to be truthful about yourself, why should it trust you with its money or other resources?

What if you mis-represented your academic qualifications and your employer finds out about it? I know of an incident where that occurred. At the institution I used to teach at, a certain department head suddenly resigned under mysterious circumstances. A subsequent investigation found that she never earned a particular degree that she claimed she had. She got away with it for years before she was found out but, by committing that fraud, she damaged the institution's reputation and who knows what other harm she did by hiding behind a phony credential.

Eventually, she went on trial, was found guilty of fraud, and did time in the crowbar hotel for her foolishness. Was lying on her CV worth it? She lost everything she worked for and built because of it.

I want to get a job and be fully independent.



katiesBoyfriend
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 15 Aug 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 90
Location: Western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, out near the outskirts of the Laniakea supercluster

21 Aug 2014, 8:04 pm

mmcool wrote:
katiesBoyfriend wrote:
mmcool wrote:

<snip>

So you can see the point of lieing on the CV?

OK, go ahead and fib. But what's going to happen when you're found out? Maybe someone will call a former employer or one of your references. Suppose their story about something is different than yours. What do you think your chances of getting that job will be? If an employer can't trust you to be truthful about yourself, why should it trust you with its money or other resources?

What if you mis-represented your academic qualifications and your employer finds out about it? I know of an incident where that occurred. At the institution I used to teach at, a certain department head suddenly resigned under mysterious circumstances. A subsequent investigation found that she never earned a particular degree that she claimed she had. She got away with it for years before she was found out but, by committing that fraud, she damaged the institution's reputation and who knows what other harm she did by hiding behind a phony credential.

Eventually, she went on trial, was found guilty of fraud, and did time in the crowbar hotel for her foolishness. Was lying on her CV worth it? She lost everything she worked for and built because of it.

I want to get a job and be fully independent.

The ends do not justify the means. If you go ahead and lie on your CV, you're taking a great risk. If you're found out and things go south for you, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Think about this: would you trust a physician who told some nose-stretchers to get their job? If they can't tell the truth about their capabilities, how could you rely on their judgement?



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

22 Aug 2014, 9:00 am

mmcool:

It's really, really great that you want to transcend your disorder, and get employment. You've got spunk!

If I were to say anything to discourage this desire, I would deserve to be shot!

If I were to "lie," though, I'd be more subtle about it.

Are there ANY times when you feel like being a "team-player?" If so, then you could truthfully say that you have "team-player" capabilities.



mattschwartz01
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jul 2014
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 181

27 Aug 2014, 9:31 am

Being honest is the best course of action. You could create a section on your CV that lists your skills and interests. I do that on my resume. Just because you have a skill that hasn't been put into recent use doesn't mean it's any less of a skill. :D



31 Aug 2014, 12:59 pm

While I appreciate the pressure many jobseekers feel, I would never advise lying on your CV. In particular, most employers will judge communication and interpersonal skills based on performance at interview rather than what is or isn't included on your CV. I agree that your CV should be focused on your true strengths, and if you must refer to teamwork or social skills (if these are essential requirements of the role) then try to be truthful but add a positive spin eg. "I have worked hard to develop my teamworking skills by...".

Just as a general point, looking at your CV I would say it is important to focus on giving specific examples as evidence to back up what you are saying. Eg. "I am very good at diagnosing and repairing computer problems, as shown by... (and give a specific example)."

You may also be interested to read my tips on writing a personal statement on my website.

Best wishes,

Tom



mmcool
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 2012
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 962
Location: England

06 Sep 2014, 10:48 am

Arranging dates for an interview as lieing on my cv appers to be working vary well )



mmcool
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 2012
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 962
Location: England

06 Sep 2014, 3:38 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
mmcool:

It's really, really great that you want to transcend your disorder, and get employment. You've got spunk!

If I were to say anything to discourage this desire, I would deserve to be shot!

If I were to "lie," though, I'd be more subtle about it.

Are there ANY times when you feel like being a "team-player?" If so, then you could truthfully say that you have "team-player" capabilities.

No i am not a team player but saying that would ruian my chances for getting a job.



katiesBoyfriend
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 15 Aug 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 90
Location: Western spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, out near the outskirts of the Laniakea supercluster

06 Sep 2014, 4:00 pm

mmcool wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
mmcool:

It's really, really great that you want to transcend your disorder, and get employment. You've got spunk!

If I were to say anything to discourage this desire, I would deserve to be shot!

If I were to "lie," though, I'd be more subtle about it.

Are there ANY times when you feel like being a "team-player?" If so, then you could truthfully say that you have "team-player" capabilities.

No i am not a team player but saying that would ruian my chances for getting a job.

There are ways of saying that without directly mentioning it. You could say instead that you're a self-starter or that you work well independently.



mmcool
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 2012
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 962
Location: England

06 Sep 2014, 4:12 pm

katiesBoyfriend wrote:
mmcool wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
mmcool:

It's really, really great that you want to transcend your disorder, and get employment. You've got spunk!

If I were to say anything to discourage this desire, I would deserve to be shot!

If I were to "lie," though, I'd be more subtle about it.

Are there ANY times when you feel like being a "team-player?" If so, then you could truthfully say that you have "team-player" capabilities.

No i am not a team player but saying that would ruian my chances for getting a job.

There are ways of saying that without directly mentioning it. You could say instead that you're a self-starter or that you work well independently.

but team player sounds better.



mmcool
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 2012
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 962
Location: England

06 Sep 2014, 7:26 pm

I got an interview next week aka lieing on the cv worked :)



Skurvey
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 21 Aug 2014
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 204
Location: Northern Regional NSW

06 Sep 2014, 8:52 pm

Good Luck!

Being a team player doesn't really mean anything in the real world, it's just a thing they put on job ads, all it really means is that you're not going to be rude to co-workers, get angry with them etc. Every team needs the silent type that gets the job done.

Think of a cricket team, the boundary fielder out there all alone. But can save the match if the ball comes his way.


_________________
"For he that does good, having the unlimited power to do evil deserves praise not only for the good which he performs, but for the evil which he forbears."
(W Scott)


Who_Am_I
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Age: 41
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,632
Location: Australia

07 Sep 2014, 3:14 am

Good luck. What are you going to do when they expect you to actually work in a team?


_________________
Music Theory 101: Cadences.
Authentic cadence: V-I
Plagal cadence: IV-I
Deceptive cadence: V- ANYTHING BUT I ! !! !
Beethoven cadence: V-I-V-I-V-V-V-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I! I! I! I I I


mmcool
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Apr 2012
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 962
Location: England

07 Sep 2014, 9:39 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
Good luck. What are you going to do when they expect you to actually work in a team?

Just try to cope with it.



Spectacles
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 2 Aug 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 175
Location: Va

07 Sep 2014, 1:36 pm

katiesBoyfriend wrote:
Lying on a CV will almost guarantee getting rejected for a job.


Because of a reoccurring injury, I had 3 several months-long gaps in my resume. My resume reflected these. I applied to 50 or so jobs, sometimes including an explanation for the gaps, sometimes not. Despite giving call backs and checking in with the places I applied, I received one job interview and no jobs. During the process, I found out from someone that I knew that she had lied on her resume, and that many of her friends 'distorted' their resumes to look more favorable. So I closed those gaps, applied to many more positions and finally got a job!
I'm still frustrated that I had to lie in order to get an interview, and eventually, a job, but I didn't have much choice. It makes me wonder though, how many people are unemployed because they're unwilling to fib a bit. It sucks, but in my experience, it kind of comes with the territory (unless you don't have any funny gaps or obvious "problems" with your resume).
Of course, you don't want to over do it. But if by fibbing a bit, your resume gets to go on the "to interview" list instead of being tossed aside right away, I think (depending who's doing the hiring) getting the chance to be seen in person is already a step further than getting nothing at all. But you have to be wise about it; don't lie about not having a criminal record if you have one, don't lie about going to Oxford if you didn't go there, don't lie about having a masters if you don't have one (but if you are in the middle of doing it, you could say you have it then inform them of your progress in person), etc, etc, etc.



Who_Am_I
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Age: 41
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,632
Location: Australia

07 Sep 2014, 7:08 pm

mmcool wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Good luck. What are you going to do when they expect you to actually work in a team?

Just try to cope with it.


I hope it works out for you. Maybe it would be helpful to look up some information on being a good team player. Have you worked in many teams before?


_________________
Music Theory 101: Cadences.
Authentic cadence: V-I
Plagal cadence: IV-I
Deceptive cadence: V- ANYTHING BUT I ! !! !
Beethoven cadence: V-I-V-I-V-V-V-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I! I! I! I I I