How do you stay out of trouble in real life?

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21 Sep 2015, 3:56 pm

By the way, he saw me publically compliment her plans with the supporting personnel (administrators, building managers, computer related support engineers, etc.). She wants to reorganize that category of personnel, and that could be an advantage to me. It is a written compliment that is put on a board with compliments that other colleagues have about others. Not sure what he thinks about it.



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22 Sep 2015, 7:34 am

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The problem is that he is her boss. If she decides to do something with me (giving other tasks that he would not give) or allowing to following a course that I can do better paid tasks such as computer related stuff, I am afraid that he will intervene and condemn her actions.

Or he may tell her: "He can follow a course if he wishes so, but he will do that from his own money. To me it is a waste of time and money. If he gets a certificate, we won't use his so called knowledge. I still think he has a limited intellect."



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30 Sep 2015, 7:03 am

hmk66 wrote:
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The problem is that he is her boss. If she decides to do something with me (giving other tasks that he would not give) or allowing to following a course that I can do better paid tasks such as computer related stuff, I am afraid that he will intervene and condemn her actions.

Or he may tell her: "He can follow a course if he wishes so, but he will do that from his own money. To me it is a waste of time and money. If he gets a certificate, we won't use his [...] knowledge. I still think he has a limited intellect."

This could well be true. My office is adjacent to the office of my old boss. I heard him having a chat with my new boss and I heard my name in combination with "That is definitely not going to happen." I suspect my old boss to overrule her. :(



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30 Sep 2015, 12:26 pm

hmk66 wrote:
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The problem is that he is her boss. If she decides to do something with me (giving other tasks that he would not give) or allowing to following a course that I can do better paid tasks such as computer related stuff, I am afraid that he will intervene and condemn her actions.

Or he may tell her: "He can follow a course if he wishes so, but he will do that from his own money. To me it is a waste of time and money. If he gets a certificate, we won't use his so called knowledge. I still think he has a limited intellect."


His boss isn't OBLIGATED to pay for his training nor to allow him to use work time to pursue the such a certificate. It's terrific when employers support the professional development of their staff but that don't have to and usually can't be compelled to.

His boss is also entitled to think he's a moron and to task him on that basis. If he's tried to get his employer to assign him more interesting work, take classes and to address his weaknesses in order to advance his career... well, if it's failed (it sounds like it has), it's time to start looking for a new job. The existing one's unlikely to change.



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30 Sep 2015, 12:35 pm

Aspies can stay out of trouble fairly easily within the workplace. I have never experienced any kind of bullying in the adult world/ work world, unless I had a psychopath as a boss- then I would just switch jobs and have a boss who wasn't completely crazy.

If you just keep to yourself and stay out of office politics and do your WORK, you will be fine. I often find that I can do this fairly easily because I simply do not care about other's BS problems in the work place. And, you don't really have to be that social in the work place. Things are changing and there are no more conversations to be had around the water-cooler. They way it has been with me is that people stay put in their offices/cubicles until it is time to go home and then they make a bee-line out of there! All the conversations that are had are work-related as well, so you don't really need to worry about it being an overwhelming social environment the way that it was in high school.



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30 Sep 2015, 3:43 pm

hmk66 wrote:
hmk66 wrote:
The problem is that he is her boss. If she decides to do something with me (giving other tasks that he would not give) or allowing to following a course that I can do better paid tasks such as computer related stuff, I am afraid that he will intervene and condemn her actions.

Or he may tell her: "He can follow a course if he wishes so, but he will do that from his own money. To me it is a waste of time and money. If he gets a certificate, we won't use his so called knowledge. I still think he has a limited intellect."


Your employer isn't required to pay for you to pursue additional training or let you pursue the training during work hours. It isn't illegal for your boss to think you aren't the very brightest of bulbs either.

Hopefully the new boss will see your potential, underwrite your courses and task you with more interesting work. If that doesn't happen, your best bet is to start looking for a new job.



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30 Sep 2015, 3:48 pm

MissZahara wrote:
hmk66 wrote:
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The problem is that he is her boss. If she decides to do something with me (giving other tasks that he would not give) or allowing to following a course that I can do better paid tasks such as computer related stuff, I am afraid that he will intervene and condemn her actions.

Or he may tell her: "He can follow a course if he wishes so, but he will do that from his own money. To me it is a waste of time and money. If he gets a certificate, we won't use his so called knowledge. I still think he has a limited intellect."


His boss isn't OBLIGATED to pay for his training nor to allow him to use work time to pursue the such a certificate. It's terrific when employers support the professional development of their staff but that don't have to and usually can't be compelled to.

That is not the real problem. I will likely pay my own training and will study in my own time. Maybe an hour of each day, or a few hours in 5 workdays and another few hours in the weekend.

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His boss is also entitled to think he's a moron and to task him on that basis. If he's tried to get his employer to assign him more interesting work, take classes and to address his weaknesses in order to advance his career... well, if it's failed (it sounds like it has), it's time to start looking for a new job. The existing one's unlikely to change.

No, that is not true. As long as I have a subsidized job there, he never gave me any more interesting task. He thinks I am autistic (that is true) but he thinks I am ret*d (I can prove the opposite). He has no evidence that I would be ret*d, and I can prove the opposite. If he thinks I am not suited for a specific task, he needs an evidence. Without that his statements are questionable. He generalizes autistics, and he blindly assumes that if some autistics have problems, I must have the same problems, too. That is not necessarily true.

If you are an employer and look for someone, you must look for facts, not for intuition or hearsays. I am not the same as Rain Man, or similar to him. I am Hmk, not Rain Man, or any other autistic. I am not even Raun Kaufman, I am Hmk, and nobody else than Hmk.



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30 Sep 2015, 4:18 pm

Well I don't have a job...but I don't generally do a lot of things that would get me in trouble per say. There are things I would do in certain circumstances that I am sure I'd get in some trouble for. Like if I saw someone beating on a cat or something I would probably attack them which I imagine I could get arrested for if they claim 'assualt'. But its more in extreme situations I wouldn't care about that but I don't go out of my way to cause any trouble for the most part.


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30 Sep 2015, 5:12 pm

hmk66 wrote:
MissZahara wrote:
hmk66 wrote:
hmk66 wrote:
The problem is that he is her boss. If she decides to do something with me (giving other tasks that he would not give) or allowing to following a course that I can do better paid tasks such as computer related stuff, I am afraid that he will intervene and condemn her actions.

Or he may tell her: "He can follow a course if he wishes so, but he will do that from his own money. To me it is a waste of time and money. If he gets a certificate, we won't use his so called knowledge. I still think he has a limited intellect."


His boss isn't OBLIGATED to pay for his training nor to allow him to use work time to pursue the such a certificate. It's terrific when employers support the professional development of their staff but that don't have to and usually can't be compelled to.

That is not the real problem. I will likely pay my own training and will study in my own time. Maybe an hour of each day, or a few hours in 5 workdays and another few hours in the weekend.

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His boss is also entitled to think he's a moron and to task him on that basis. If he's tried to get his employer to assign him more interesting work, take classes and to address his weaknesses in order to advance his career... well, if it's failed (it sounds like it has), it's time to start looking for a new job. The existing one's unlikely to change.

No, that is not true. As long as I have a subsidized job there, he never gave me any more interesting task. He thinks I am autistic (that is true) but he thinks I am ret*d (I can prove the opposite). He has no evidence that I would be ret*d, and I can prove the opposite. If he thinks I am not suited for a specific task, he needs an evidence. Without that his statements are questionable. He generalizes autistics, and he blindly assumes that if some autistics have problems, I must have the same problems, too. That is not necessarily true.

If you are an employer and look for someone, you must look for facts, not for intuition or hearsays. I am not the same as Rain Man, or similar to him. I am Hmk, not Rain Man, or any other autistic. I am not even Raun Kaufman, I am Hmk, and nobody else than Hmk.


What is a subsidized job? Do you have a written job description and are the tasks you are assigned within the scope of it? Have you successfully completed the tasks you've been assigned to date?

Why does your boss have to prove you cannot do a task before declining to assign it to you? Is that written into your contract?

If you haven't consistently completed the tasks you've been assigned successfully (on time, on budget, to the standard set by your employer, independently), then it is unlikely your boss will assign you more challenging work.

FWIW, empirical IQ is sometimes irrelevant at work. A genius IQ doesn't necessarily mitigate an inability to get along with colleagues or not behave like a micro-managing control freak (my personal Waterloo).



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01 Oct 2015, 7:05 am

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What is a subsidized job?

A subsidized job is a job for people with a work handicap. Part of the salary is paid by the municipalities that arrange these things. Autism can be considered as a work handicap, but I think you have to be more specific, because there are many autistics that have a satisfying job. What are the exact problems? Are the evidence to them? If so, then they have to be worked on. If that isn't possible, then the argument for the work handicap is valid, and I have to deal with that. If that is possible, I should work on it.

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Do you have a written job description and are the tasks you are assigned within the scope of it? Have you successfully completed the tasks you've been assigned to date?

There was a job description that I would do additional tasks (that teachers would have to do themselves). The task can come from anyone, which means: in most of the cases not directly from my boss. But my new boss wants the supporting personnel to be more flexible. That could be an advantage to it. I will have a meeting with her tomorrow. Most of the tasks are completed. Some are completed too late, but the cause is not me, but somewhere else (malfunctioning supply system, errors in the task description, unclear task description, missing deadline date/time, mismanagement by my boss, clumsy communication). Some of the tasks are completed way earlier than the deadline (recently I completed a task, whose deadline is somewhere in December 2015).

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If you haven't consistently completed the tasks you've been assigned successfully (on time, on budget, to the standard set by your employer, independently), then it is unlikely your boss will assign you more challenging work.

I think, you are a little bit too fast about your assumptions. If he decides in a way, it doesn't mean it is a rightful decision, especially when I doubt about the "facts".

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FWIW, empirical IQ is sometimes irrelevant at work. A genius IQ doesn't necessarily mitigate an inability to get along with colleagues or not behave like a micro-managing control freak (my personal Waterloo).

I will find out if I can work with colleagues. I think I can work well with them. That is something I will discuss about with my new boss. Then I know her opinion. I can be wrong, but also this is a bit of a premature assumption, about which I doubt if there is a clear evidence. Yesterday, when the work time was nearly over, I was talking with a colleague about rowing. Not related to work, but it was a social chat. Although I don't give a thing about rowing (that is definitely not my cup of tea), I showed interest by asking questions, based on what he said.

But I can also communicate pretty well during work related conversations. Also that is a point of discussion tomorrow. What is my social behaviour (according to non-autistic norms)? My counselor told me that I am pretty social according to NT norms, but very social according to ASD norms.



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01 Oct 2015, 7:11 am

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Most of the tasks are completed.

...on the deadline date or well before it.