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31 Aug 2023, 6:02 pm

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like sorry13.65 is too low of pay for a lot of people.

Wow, is minimum wage really that high in Colorado? o_O

I worked myself crippled for seven years just to make $13, and then they found out that the extra dollar was a mistake and took it away.

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Apply for, obtain, and work jobs that pay more than that. Leave jobs that offer $13.65/hr unfilled. When they go unfilled for long enough, those employers will have to increase the wage they're offering in order to attract applicants & retain employees.

Things must be different in Canada, jobs like that in the US are either incredibly rare and only available to those who are "in the know", or they are slow death traps.

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At my lowest income point in my life I made a whopping $150 cash total per month. I had a roof over my head, food to eat, and $150.

...

The only reason I can afford to stay here in the suburbs vs. either live in my car or plan an escape is because my father busted his ass for half a century to pay for a house and I have cheap rent in the family home, so I'm insulated from the craziness and can save my money towards other goals vs. hand it all over to a landlord/relocate somewhere else - but even other cheaper locations across the country no longer have anywhere near the same income : lifestyle ratio that my parents' generation had. Not even close.

Hmm...........

Sounds good, where do I sign up?


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31 Aug 2023, 6:33 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Apply for, obtain, and work jobs that pay more than that. Leave jobs that offer $13.65/hr unfilled. When they go unfilled for long enough, those employers will have to increase the wage they're offering in order to attract applicants & retain employees.

Things must be different in Canada, jobs like that in the US are either incredibly rare and only available to those who are "in the know", or they are slow death traps.


Canada's dollar is worth less than the US dollar, so that wage is more like >$18/hr.


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31 Aug 2023, 7:05 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
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like sorry13.65 is too low of pay for a lot of people.

Wow, is minimum wage really that high in Colorado? o_O

I worked myself crippled for seven years just to make $13, and then they found out that the extra dollar was a mistake and took it away.

goldfish21 wrote:
Apply for, obtain, and work jobs that pay more than that. Leave jobs that offer $13.65/hr unfilled. When they go unfilled for long enough, those employers will have to increase the wage they're offering in order to attract applicants & retain employees.

Things must be different in Canada, jobs like that in the US are either incredibly rare and only available to those who are "in the know", or they are slow death traps.

goldfish21 wrote:
At my lowest income point in my life I made a whopping $150 cash total per month. I had a roof over my head, food to eat, and $150.

...

The only reason I can afford to stay here in the suburbs vs. either live in my car or plan an escape is because my father busted his ass for half a century to pay for a house and I have cheap rent in the family home, so I'm insulated from the craziness and can save my money towards other goals vs. hand it all over to a landlord/relocate somewhere else - but even other cheaper locations across the country no longer have anywhere near the same income : lifestyle ratio that my parents' generation had. Not even close.

Hmm...........

Sounds good, where do I sign up?

There are a lot of higher paying jobs in the USA. All skilled trades, technical/technician jobs, government jobs, healthcare, engineering etc etc etc. There is no way in reality that jobs that pay more than $26k/year are "incredibly rare," in the USA. There are plenty of career paths that pay $60-80k, and then there are higher paying careers in tech, law, medicine, engineering, finance etc.

Learn a trade, become a contractor. Take on jobs at a flat rate and then work hard & fast. Complete project, collect money. Rinse & repeat.


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31 Aug 2023, 7:07 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
SabbraCadabra wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Apply for, obtain, and work jobs that pay more than that. Leave jobs that offer $13.65/hr unfilled. When they go unfilled for long enough, those employers will have to increase the wage they're offering in order to attract applicants & retain employees.

Things must be different in Canada, jobs like that in the US are either incredibly rare and only available to those who are "in the know", or they are slow death traps.


Canada's dollar is worth less than the US dollar, so that wage is more like >$18/hr.

Had to google it. Minimum wage in BC is currently $16.75/hr. While there's a significant exchange rate difference, people in each country have to pay for things in their local currency so the exchange rate is mostly irrelevant. Otherwise we could just compare local incomes to whatever world currency is ultra low and pretend we're wealthy when we're not.


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31 Aug 2023, 7:17 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
SabbraCadabra wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Apply for, obtain, and work jobs that pay more than that. Leave jobs that offer $13.65/hr unfilled. When they go unfilled for long enough, those employers will have to increase the wage they're offering in order to attract applicants & retain employees.

Things must be different in Canada, jobs like that in the US are either incredibly rare and only available to those who are "in the know", or they are slow death traps.


Canada's dollar is worth less than the US dollar, so that wage is more like >$18/hr.

Had to google it. Minimum wage in BC is currently $16.75/hr. While there's a significant exchange rate difference, people in each country have to pay for things in their local currency so the exchange rate is mostly irrelevant. Otherwise we could just compare local incomes to whatever world currency is ultra low and pretend we're wealthy when we're not.



Canada and the US have very similar costs of living, standards of living, etc. It's not unreasonable to point out that our dollars are relatively worth less even if such a comparison wouldn't work as well for countries that aren't so similar economically.

It isn't like comparing against a less developed nation.


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31 Aug 2023, 7:29 pm

Purchasing power parity (PPP) is a reasonable analysis for comparing countries in terms of living standards.



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31 Aug 2023, 8:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
SabbraCadabra wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Apply for, obtain, and work jobs that pay more than that. Leave jobs that offer $13.65/hr unfilled. When they go unfilled for long enough, those employers will have to increase the wage they're offering in order to attract applicants & retain employees.

Things must be different in Canada, jobs like that in the US are either incredibly rare and only available to those who are "in the know", or they are slow death traps.


Canada's dollar is worth less than the US dollar, so that wage is more like >$18/hr.

Had to google it. Minimum wage in BC is currently $16.75/hr. While there's a significant exchange rate difference, people in each country have to pay for things in their local currency so the exchange rate is mostly irrelevant. Otherwise we could just compare local incomes to whatever world currency is ultra low and pretend we're wealthy when we're not.



Canada and the US have very similar costs of living, standards of living, etc. It's not unreasonable to point out that our dollars are relatively worth less even if such a comparison wouldn't work as well for countries that aren't so similar economically.

It isn't like comparing against a less developed nation.


Not really nearly as comparable today as it was 5-10 years ago considering housing costs are 40% higher in Canada than the USA. Cost of living is almost certainly cheaper in the USA, with that being the main factor.. but many other things are much cheaper there, too, like gasoline.

Canadian cost of living is more comparable to states like Hawaii and Alaska vs. the lower 48 in most cases.


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01 Sep 2023, 6:36 am

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^ Job hunting is awful, particularly for most autistic folk.

Good luck in securing something that fits you. :)


I always struggle with really off topic or stupid questions.

"Why do you want to work here?"
Cause starving to death in the elements sounds awful???



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01 Sep 2023, 11:07 am

Nobody wants to raise wages and salaries, because that would be "socialism". People are mentally stuck in the 1950s for that reason and more.


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01 Sep 2023, 12:32 pm

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blitzkrieg wrote:
^ Job hunting is awful, particularly for most autistic folk.

Good luck in securing something that fits you. :)


I always struggle with really off topic or stupid questions.

"Why do you want to work here?"
Cause starving to death in the elements sounds awful???


Right?

The questions are just so awkward and sometimes sound silly!



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01 Sep 2023, 1:32 pm

If you say "no one" and there is one exception, the whole statement is false

If you say "people" and there are two exceptions, the whole statement is false



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01 Sep 2023, 1:34 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
GeekyFreak wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
^ Job hunting is awful, particularly for most autistic folk.

Good luck in securing something that fits you. :)


I always struggle with really off topic or stupid questions.

"Why do you want to work here?"
Cause starving to death in the elements sounds awful???


Right?

The questions are just so awkward and sometimes sound silly!


Do you really think "why do you want to work here?" is a off topic, stupid or silly question?



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01 Sep 2023, 1:39 pm

rse92 wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
GeekyFreak wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
^ Job hunting is awful, particularly for most autistic folk.

Good luck in securing something that fits you. :)


I always struggle with really off topic or stupid questions.

"Why do you want to work here?"
Cause starving to death in the elements sounds awful???


Right?

The questions are just so awkward and sometimes sound silly!


Do you really think "why do you want to work here?" is a off topic, stupid or silly question?


In my opinion it kind of is a silly question.

The answer to the question for almost everyone answering truthfully would be either:

"For the money" or "to have the status of having a job" or something along those lines.

And yet employers expect people to be enthusiastic about their sh***y corporation and judge a person based on that. I would say the more intelligent a person is, the less likely they would be to have a positive view on any corporation.



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01 Sep 2023, 2:22 pm

Sometimes job interview questions aren't about the answers so much as how you answer.. kind of like when a border guard asks stupid questions about what your job is - they don't give a flying f**k what your job is.. they're observing to see if you answer quickly and naturally, or if you stumble and are nervous or seem to be concealing something or lying etc.

Job interviewers want to see that you can think on the fly and come up with something of a decent response to an inquiry vs. freeze when asked for information. Even better if you can impress with your actual answer. Sometimes you just have to BS a little and not say "I need a paycheque." and instead say "I heard this was a great place to work with good people that really pull their own weight on a team, and it just so happens to be close to home so I'll have a short commute." or whatever.

But if you hesitate and it sounds forced and fake "Umm... uuuuh, I think I recall hearing someone say this was a good place once.. and uuh, I heard there are good workers to work with.. and umm uhh I live close." The "same," answer doesn't convey quick thinking and a good pleasant attitude towards working together with people nor your ability to assess a workplace for suitability for your own fit there etc etc.


And sometimes they're just stupid cookie cutter questions asked by managers who have no idea what they're doing or why they're asking what they're asking and you just have to play their games and hope for the best. But Most of the time even stupid questions have good reasons for them being asked as they're assessing your personality and how you respond more than what you respond with.


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02 Sep 2023, 9:25 am

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Do you really think "why do you want to work here?" is a off topic, stupid or silly question?


Yes. If I didn't want money I'd volunteer instead



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02 Sep 2023, 9:36 am

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
If you say "no one" and there is one exception, the whole statement is false

If you say "people" and there are two exceptions, the whole statement is false


The fact that people do is distinct from whether or not they want to, so Sweetleaf's statement appears accurate.

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