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08 Dec 2024, 4:03 pm

^ I think being disabled as a white person, likely outweighs by a large margin, any benefit a person gains simply for being white.



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08 Dec 2024, 4:09 pm

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^ I think being disabled as a white person, likely outweighs by a large margin, any benefit a person gains simply for being white.


I believe this would largely be contextual, rather than the sort of thing that could be quantified.

Yes, there will be situations where one's disability is a significant drawback, there'll be others where one's perceived racial identity is a benefit. The one doesn't cancel out the other though.

If we're trying to make comparisons we shouldn't compare the two directly; a more equal comparison would be two people with the same disability, of the same severity, but different perceived racial identities.


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08 Dec 2024, 5:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
^ I think being disabled as a white person, likely outweighs by a large margin, any benefit a person gains simply for being white.


I believe this would largely be contextual, rather than the sort of thing that could be quantified.

Yes, there will be situations where one's disability is a significant drawback, there'll be others where one's perceived racial identity is a benefit. The one doesn't cancel out the other though.

If we're trying to make comparisons we shouldn't compare the two directly; a more equal comparison would be two people with the same disability, of the same severity, but different perceived racial identities.

There's no such thing as race based privilege. There isn't even any sort of thing as race. The entire concept is based on selection bias. Any white ethnic groups that aren't doing better than average are just ignored while any non-white ethnic groups that are doing better than average get downplayed. The result is an apparent situation where you've got "privilege" that doesn't really ever seem to come into play.

There's really only 2 types of privilege, one is the privilege of wealth and the other is the privilege of good health/a generally sound body/mind. All the rest of it is BS that falls apart pretty quickly if you look into it with any sort of a critical eye.



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08 Dec 2024, 7:46 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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^ I think being disabled as a white person, likely outweighs by a large margin, any benefit a person gains simply for being white.


I believe this would largely be contextual, rather than the sort of thing that could be quantified.

Yes, there will be situations where one's disability is a significant drawback, there'll be others where one's perceived racial identity is a benefit. The one doesn't cancel out the other though.

If we're trying to make comparisons we shouldn't compare the two directly; a more equal comparison would be two people with the same disability, of the same severity, but different perceived racial identities.


I think that being a disabled person of an ethnic minority is probably a bit harder than being a disabled person who is of an ethnic majority, in a given country.

But being a disabled person in general, has a heavier impact on a person than any ethnic background. I mean, you could probably look into this statistically.

I am certain that disabled people of any colour earn significantly less on average, than able-bodied white people, or people of colour, if we are talking about jobs, at least.

My personal view is that being a person of colour in a white society, is a mild to moderate disadvantage, whereas being a disabled person of any colour, is a major disadvantage.



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08 Dec 2024, 7:50 pm

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Okay. Why Russia?

1) America hates me for my condition and ethnicity and gender. At least Russia may hate me only for being an American. Again, I can't find work here in America, so what do I do?

2) The "wests" boycott of Russia actually helps me. As someone on SSDI, I can make as much money in Russia as I want, and the American government will have no idea how much money I can make there. Meaning they can't slash my benefits for making money in a foreign power that is hostile to them.

Does that suffice????

No.

Those are "Pushes".  What "Pulls" you to Russia?



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08 Dec 2024, 8:02 pm

Russia is reportedly seeing some pretty large inflation rates right now and their unemployment rate is very low now so finding a job might be relatively easy. Don't expect what you are paid to keep up with inflation, though.

If nothing else, it should probably be avoided for that reason.


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09 Dec 2024, 1:33 pm

Before considering a move to Russia, you should consider the following risk map of the most dangerous countries:

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Note that Russia is considered to be "high risk".

The map is from https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/157044/world-most-dangerous-countries-mapped-syria-assad

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the risk classification is made by assessing a variety of factors, like "entry and exit, transport (plane/air transport, long-distance public transport, local public transport, taxis, cars / rental cars, other means of transport), strike, infrastructure (money, telephone / mobile communications, internet, electricity), health (vaccinations, infection risks, hygiene, health care), natural hazards and the environment, security (crime, demonstrations/unrest, terrorism, armed conflict), economic security (corruption, industrial espionage) and special risks (cultural characteristics, LGBTQ, female travelers, criminal law characteristics and other risks)."

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"Travel to these areas is fundamentally advised against. The security situation is likely extremely tense due to armed conflicts, terrorist organizations, extensive violent crime, and/or unrest, and the government has little to no control over large parts of the country. Security forces and rescue services are rarely available, if at all," they said, adding, "Affected areas may furthermore be difficult to access for travelers. Travelers are advised to not commence their travel without having thoroughly informed themselves about destination-specific risks via the country database (providing situation reports & instructions), or without following those instructions and exercising an extreme level of care."


The grass is hardly ever actually greener on the other side. Falling for the line that it is so much better elsewhere is not a good thing.


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09 Dec 2024, 4:08 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
^ I think being disabled as a white person, likely outweighs by a large margin, any benefit a person gains simply for being white.


I believe this would largely be contextual, rather than the sort of thing that could be quantified.

Yes, there will be situations where one's disability is a significant drawback, there'll be others where one's perceived racial identity is a benefit. The one doesn't cancel out the other though.

If we're trying to make comparisons we shouldn't compare the two directly; a more equal comparison would be two people with the same disability, of the same severity, but different perceived racial identities.

There's no such thing as race based privilege. There isn't even any sort of thing as race. The entire concept is based on selection bias. Any white ethnic groups that aren't doing better than average are just ignored while any non-white ethnic groups that are doing better than average get downplayed. The result is an apparent situation where you've got "privilege" that doesn't really ever seem to come into play.

There's really only 2 types of privilege, one is the privilege of wealth and the other is the privilege of good health/a generally sound body/mind. All the rest of it is BS that falls apart pretty quickly if you look into it with any sort of a critical eye.


You've made claims, now support them.


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09 Dec 2024, 4:19 pm

Privilege is getting a job in which you aren't qualified to do.
I know someone like that. He left after a couple months because he just couldn't meet basic quality standards.



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09 Dec 2024, 6:59 pm

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I hate America. What do I care if that cruel state gets defrauded out of anything?
And yet, you think Russia is any better.

Sad.


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09 Dec 2024, 7:09 pm

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Privilege is getting a job in which you aren't qualified to do.
I know someone like that. He left after a couple months because he just couldn't meet basic quality standards.


It can even (in a given context) be a burden.

When I did tech support I found multiple coworkers would ignore assistance from my coworker Lisa only to pester me (even if she was free and I was on a call or chatting with a customer), only to accept essentially the same thing from me but with twice as many useless words.

It got to the point where I'd literally refuse to even acknowledge coworkers asking me for help if they had refused her help.

But, it's still ultimately a privilege to be assumed to be more competent than someone else who's consistently demonstrated a similar level of competence.


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09 Dec 2024, 8:20 pm

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I believe this would largely be contextual, rather than the sort of thing that could be quantified.

Yes, there will be situations where one's disability is a significant drawback, there'll be others where one's perceived racial identity is a benefit. The one doesn't cancel out the other though.

If we're trying to make comparisons we shouldn't compare the two directly; a more equal comparison would be two people with the same disability, of the same severity, but different perceived racial identities.

There's no such thing as race based privilege. There isn't even any sort of thing as race. The entire concept is based on selection bias. Any white ethnic groups that aren't doing better than average are just ignored while any non-white ethnic groups that are doing better than average get downplayed. The result is an apparent situation where you've got "privilege" that doesn't really ever seem to come into play.

There's really only 2 types of privilege, one is the privilege of wealth and the other is the privilege of good health/a generally sound body/mind. All the rest of it is BS that falls apart pretty quickly if you look into it with any sort of a critical eye.


You've made claims, now support them.

The burden is generally not on the party claiming something doesn't exist. Proving a negative isn't possible.



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09 Dec 2024, 8:29 pm

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The burden is generally not on the party claiming something doesn't exist. Proving a negative isn't possible.


I'd say at this point the case for white privilege existing is well established. The fact that you're unpersuaded isn't the same as it not existing. If you can't provide a case against it no one has to take your insistence that it doesn't exist as more than emotionally motivated whining.


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09 Dec 2024, 11:40 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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The burden is generally not on the party claiming something doesn't exist. Proving a negative isn't possible.


I'd say at this point the case for white privilege existing is well established. The fact that you're unpersuaded isn't the same as it not existing. If you can't provide a case against it no one has to take your insistence that it doesn't exist as more than emotionally motivated whining.


The burden of proof here is not on me, I didn't make the positive statement here, you are. If it's so well-established, then prove it.

Personally, I did my time, I started my education out during the tail-end of the desegregation effort around here. If "privilege" were a real thing I would have seen some clear evidence of it.

Ultimately, I'm just going to leave it here, as it's pretty clear that you've got nothing and it's in a completely wrong thread anyways.



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Yesterday, 3:13 am

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would want to move to Russia to find work.

What greater opportunities are there in Russia than in the US?


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kokopelli wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would want to move to Russia to find work.
My money is on the idea that the OP was just blowing off steam, and that he is not actually moving to Russia..

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What greater opportunities are there in Russia than in the US?
The greater opportunity to be conscripted into the war against Ukraine and dying in a drone strike.


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