It has almost been a year now and I can't find employment

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14 Apr 2009, 12:12 pm

ImMe wrote:
but my parents are not very supportive. It bothers them if I sit on the computer for hours even if I'm doing something like programming.


Just continue, eventually you will wear them down and they will accept your computer habits :)

(Btw, astrology is pseudo-sciense and is not a good way to solve personal problems with.)


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20 Apr 2009, 3:12 pm

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If you cannot get a job soon, try creating your own experience. Work on open source project on sourceforge, write your own software and document it in detail and as an "executive" version. Things like that can sometimes say more than an academic paper to a recruiter and it shows you have a personal intrest in programming as well. In fact, most of the recruiters i have talked to have cast my education and past experiences aside and we ended up talking about my programs instead.


Does blogging on political issues and working on your own book counts as self-experience?



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25 Apr 2009, 2:08 am

Computer science is not a good field to be in right now. If you are looking for a programing job don't plan on getting one anytime soon. Of all the computer and electronic fields I think computer programing is the only one that is expected to lose jobs.

Now add in bad economy and they are going to offshore programing even faster.

You CAN use that degree to get you into the other IT fields that are doing good. Helpdesk, testing, designing, implementing, ect.

Bls.gov is a great site to use to get an idea of which fields are doing what. Using that information should give you some extra job titles to look for. Also because of the economy you may have to take a not so good job for awhile or wait it out.

Also as someone pointed out already be sure to do some programing yourself. Make the most flashy program you can, show off what you know.



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25 Apr 2009, 5:27 am

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Does blogging on political issues and working on your own book counts as self-experience?



Well, it depends on what type of job you apply for, lets focus on writing:

Computer technician? Not so much.
Writer for a magazine? Maby.

Having political experience is sometimes seen as a good experience, i have done some personal lobbying against some things i do not like (software patents) and i have worked as an election worker during the last European elections. It is definitly worth mentioning since it shows some sort of "fire" inside you (and it certainly beats my other experiences like playing WoW or GTA :P)

Note that you may want to abbreviate what you did and only write "Election worker for presidential campaign 2008" if you apply for a job at a large company in a red state if you worked for Obama. Small details like that can make or break a recruitment.

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Some other tips you (or someone else) may find useful:


1: Examine the organisation like recruiters examine employees before hiring:

- Check their credit history/public bookkeeping records (we can do that over here, dunno if you can elsewhere). Are they spending lots of money on outsourceing? Are they about to go bankrupt? Then it may be better to just send them a Resume/CV and instead spend more time on some other application.

- Check news (Google em) and ask relatives/friends what they think of the organisation. Have they had massive layoffs or many disgruntled employes/whistleblowers? Is the CEO convicted for something? Then it may not be a good or stable employer.

- What type of positions have they had ads for earlier? It can tell you alot about what they are working on and expect you to do or how to behave.

Learning about the organisation and being able to tell them "i know that..." if they ask what you know about them, which also shows that you are serious and intrested in a serious working-relationship with the employer.


2: The Ad:

Circle any keywords you find and concentrate your application on those words. You do not have to be 100% perfect for the job, but you have to come close.

On jobs you really want: Spend at least a day writing it. Make sure they get to know how you feel about the job, i.e. "I LOVE to work with <this and that>, i have dreamt about it since childhood" - but only if you truely do, telling lies is not a good idea since the truth will eventually be told.


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27 Apr 2009, 1:42 pm

>>
Computer science is not a good field to be in right now. If you are looking for a programing job don't plan on getting one anytime soon. Of all the computer and electronic fields I think computer programing is the only one that is expected to lose jobs.
Now add in bad economy and they are going to offshore programing even faster.
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Amen to all that. I'm a programmer and they are sending all of our support staff offshore (Manilla, Mexico, you name it). We are just waiting for our jobs to go next.

You might start by volunteering with your favorite church/charity/non-profit just to get some experience. It will also help your self-confidence (which can't hurt if you are anything like me). I know it won't pay the bills, but as others have pointed out it's a scary time to be looking for a programming job. My uni is considering cutting back the curriculum drastically because so many people can't find positions.



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08 Jul 2009, 11:19 pm

ImMe wrote:
I have a Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science, but zero experience. But regardless of my schooling I can't find a job anywhere. It seems like there are always customer service jobs and sale jobs... but I know I can't handle those jobs.

It seems like there is only one option since I would probably get imprisoned, discharged, or severely disciplined if I joined the military and had mental breaks -- teaching overseas. But could I handle something like that? Probably not.

There just doesn't seem to be any jobs. I'm starting to think I should see if I can get some huge loans and go into debt to get another degree that at least has some jobs... I feel like the dumbest person in the world for getting a degree without first making sure I would be able to get work after graduation. I had suspicions when I couldn't find internships, but everyone just said "Keep it together and keep going. There are tons of jobs in the field." And I unquestioningly and obediently did what they said.

Is there something I'm overlooking here though? I could do any job that isn't mostly dependent on how well I can interact with strangers. Grunt work would make me happy. Just something so I can have some kind of gainful employment.

I don't know if I have AS or anything but I've never been able to do jobs that are more dependent on social interaction than doing actual work. I just want to point that out.


When you say 'can't handle' sales or customer jobs, have you tried? I don't know why I keep getting only offers in sales and fast food, as a manager. They hired me a s a manger asst. for very little pay and I tried the work before, felt so insecure and inept at it! Why aren't people lining up for fast food jobs if they are so desperate? I WAS UNEMPLOYED ONE YEAR, WITH A GREAT EDUCATION AND MANY MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS, and had to take this fast food mgr job without a car, then they moved me to a location requiring a car before I started my first day. Why does this happen?



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08 Jul 2009, 11:25 pm

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ImMe: All good points. Maybe you could find one locally to advocate for you so you're not just bypassed? I can understand one lacking experience, BUT your education counts in lieu of experience too. This means you shouldn't need to stoop so low to get a measly job that's unfulfilling - entry level position is fine and no one starts at the top, but you don't need Taco Bell!

If you're an American I think ADA/DVR could really assist - seems you're not being treated fairly! And you don't need a formal Dx for ADA/DVR. Good luck to you.

Oh, there's one Wrong Planet member who knows all about this, the hard way. She's GREAT! Check out greentea - she's done what you've done and has had a rough to. I'm sure she can give you advice and especially encouragement.


I always wonder why people put down working at places like Taco Bell? Would you take a fast food job if it meant starvation and no money otherwise? I really would like to know.. the specific reasons I couldnt do fast food: the NOISE the loudness, the constant customer distraction, the micro managing and complaining, the SMELL which made me literally vomit and give me a headache.. how do people work those jobs for yrs???