Do you blame your AS for not having a career?

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26 May 2009, 4:16 pm

That would be a big YES!!

One of the symptoms of AS is an inability to hold down a steady job and in thirty three years I had eighteen jobs. On average that's a new job every two years or so. Part of the problem is that I sometimes have the social skills of a baboon so I ended up alienating my bosses and the people I worked with, and I did this time and time again.

Eventually I found a solution in temporay and contract work. Once I found myself getting bored or my work colleagues stopped talking to me I just asked the agency for a new contract and I moved on.

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26 May 2009, 6:49 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:
An extremely 'non-aggressive' Poster now turning their 'non-aggression' towards me wrote:
The OP started a thread on the subject of his multiple dx'es when he joined. He admits to being a narcissist. I don't see any reason not to query his claims. The only thing that strikes me as autistic about him is the guileless honesty with which he admits stuff, but in part that's probably a kind of pride. The actual things he does aren't necessarily characteristic of autism. Why play the victim card on his behalf?


I make it a point to try hard not to shred my elders even when they are behaving badly. Suffice to say that if you don't want the victim card played, then don't make someone a victim. This isn't about conflating dx'es or who you judge has AS. This is about name calling.

I would also ask that, if your idea of "non-aggressively querying someone's claims" involves insinuating that they are a liar and a sociopath, that you not "query" me. I'm the sort who reports your violation of rule #2 Personal Attacks (in this instance insinuating and direct) and has your posts pulled. If Zoonic's other threads have offended you and have broken the rules, this option is available to you as well.

Irony: Long before this post on May 6th, Zoonic's words were "People who just learn about my negative sides assume I'm borderlinish or a sociopath, not AS."



:roll: well I'm just shaking in my shoes over your threats. If you want to worship at the shrine of zooonic, go ahead, just don't expect everyone else to be sucked in.



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26 May 2009, 7:16 pm

An increasingly 'non-aggressive', just-can't-let-it-go Poster kicked their 'non-aggression' into high gear and wrote:
If you want to worship at the shrine of zooonic...


No, lady, I want to worship at the shrine of "Don't call people names, it's not right". I would think at 52, you'd have figured that one out. If he was calling you a lying sociopath I'd be right there telling him the same thing.


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26 May 2009, 7:22 pm

? he's a self confessed liar, so how is calling him a liar a 'bad' thing? His sociopathy is clearly evident, and that's an area he needs to work on. How is that a 'bad' thing?

In any case, with his (or her) ego, s/he doesn't need you to be his flunky, or does s/he? I mean if the OP has any complaints about my responses I'd be interested to read them. Since you are not the OP, it's not appropriate your you to respond in this manner. You don't know what s/he thinks.



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26 May 2009, 8:04 pm

It sure is a remarkable coincidence that Zoonic and ViperaAspis joined the site on the same day.


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26 May 2009, 8:44 pm

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it's not appropriate...


Name calling is not appropriate. Whether it is 'liar', 'sociopath', or 'flunky'. I'm sorry you do not understand this.

Apparently there is some kind of history between you two that goes beyond the few posts I've read from this individual and from you. Judged purely on this post (which is all I can see right here), you are attacking this person on a personal level for what appears to be no reason. If they were attacking you and calling you a few choice and well-deserved names, I would be defending your right to enjoy a forum free from this sort of despicable behavior as well.

You see, this isn't about the OP's post or your right to judge his AS dx anymore. This is about everyone's right to enjoy a forum free of personal attacks and cruel insinuations.


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26 May 2009, 11:26 pm

If the OP has no complaint then there is no complaint. Stop being absurd. I don't need you do defend me and I doubt the OP does either. I don't accept your slander as legitimate.

Did you really join on the same day as the OP?



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27 May 2009, 1:15 am

Under the avatars, Apr 27, 2009.


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27 May 2009, 4:13 am

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If the OP has no complaint then there is no complaint.


That's not how this works. It is completely acceptable to attack someone's ideas or ideals, but completely unacceptable to attack the person even if it is indirect or by insinuation. Abuse is not allowed here, even when tolerated or desired by the original poster. You have to realize that some people clam up when abused. Others handle it by sending a PM to a moderator to take a look at this thread. People like this "absurd flunky". I'll send this to Sinsboldly and let the mod squad decide.

If the moderator thinks this kind of behavior from you is okay, then so be it. If they agree that your unapologetic name calling is wholly unacceptable behavior (which it is), then it'll be a moot point and you'll either see a "locked" symbol at the bottom, your posts (and mine too) will disappear, or this whole thread will disappear.

For my part, no further posts on this thread will be forthcoming until this is resolved; it is quite obvious I am not going to convince you and I see no need to exacerbate things further. This argument only serves to distract from the thread topic which seemed rather lively before the name calling.

For the record, I don't think you're a bad person. You're obviously very upset with Zoonic for something he did or said to you (or about you). Name calling is just the wrong way to handle it and it is a shame to see someone of your years, stature, and length of tenure on the forum engaging in it.


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27 May 2009, 5:26 am

well for my part, i'll put you on ignore.



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27 May 2009, 7:14 pm

Postperson wrote:
ViperaAspis wrote:
An extremely 'non-aggressive' Poster now turning their 'non-aggression' towards me wrote:
The OP started a thread on the subject of his multiple dx'es when he joined. He admits to being a narcissist. I don't see any reason not to query his claims. The only thing that strikes me as autistic about him is the guileless honesty with which he admits stuff, but in part that's probably a kind of pride. The actual things he does aren't necessarily characteristic of autism. Why play the victim card on his behalf?


I make it a point to try hard not to shred my elders even when they are behaving badly. Suffice to say that if you don't want the victim card played, then don't make someone a victim. This isn't about conflating dx'es or who you judge has AS. This is about name calling.

I would also ask that, if your idea of "non-aggressively querying someone's claims" involves insinuating that they are a liar and a sociopath, that you not "query" me. I'm the sort who reports your violation of rule #2 Personal Attacks (in this instance insinuating and direct) and has your posts pulled. If Zoonic's other threads have offended you and have broken the rules, this option is available to you as well.

Irony: Long before this post on May 6th, Zoonic's words were "People who just learn about my negative sides assume I'm borderlinish or a sociopath, not AS."



:roll: well I'm just shaking in my shoes over your threats. If you want to worship at the shrine of zooonic, go ahead, just don't expect everyone else to be sucked in.



I find it amusing you're calling Zoonic out, and I've never seen you do the same for extremely obvious cases of label hunters.


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28 May 2009, 2:25 am

well i guess you haven't been following my posts!



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28 May 2009, 6:18 am

Back on topic.

If I couldn't get a stable job (idk how I'll do but lets just say..), i would try to avoid blaming it all on the AS unles it really was that, and the I would try to work on the parts of the AS whether it be social skills or organisation (or lack there of) and try to improve, and if I'm fired I'll try again. I wouldn't just shrug and say "oh well I'll never get a job because of I have AS etc" because that would be underestimating myself.


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28 May 2009, 7:05 pm

Can't say for 'career' just yet.

But I hate job hunting. Tracking down ads, the paranoia over resumes, interviews (oh. dear. God.), and then not getting anything anyway. Currently the blame is on the economy. Facts are, business are cutting back. Non-profits says they are picking up over-qualified unemployed adults, and so aren't looking for undergrads. It sucks.

And I always wonder if it's me. All the million little social cues that screw up an interview. Fact of the matter: I didn't get the job. Or the one before that, or the one before that. I was qualified, and did my best to be polite. I am tempted to go back and ask potential employers why they didn't pick me. What did I do wrong? As an aspie I constantly misjudge situations and do the 'wrong' thing. I want to know, and I can't. It's frustrating.

I did manage to swing a job for the summer, but God only knows what I'm going to do after graduation.



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29 May 2009, 6:04 am

There are "job coaches" that will do a mock interview and critique how you handle yourself, but I'm not sure if there are any that do this for free or next to no cost. A good friend who is honest with you could probably tell you what you are doing wrong because they know how you project yourself normally.



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29 May 2009, 9:12 am

^ I've done all the 'job-prep' I can find. Career Services (offered through my school), professionals I know, friends, the works.

But I can't ever really be sure.