Job discrimination. File a lawsuit?

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02 Jun 2016, 3:01 pm

Yeah, sounds like the trade unions slept if they forgot to cater for people with college degrees.

Denmark isn't a socialist state, but socialism does have a lot to do with the general high standard of living as well as the rights workers have on the job market. I don't mean to brag, but things in Denmark is a lot more fair than the survival-of-the-fittest conditions you have in the US. I can tell by all the posts I read on this forum.

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02 Jun 2016, 3:13 pm

You can't file a lawsuit without a "right to sue" letter which you would get from the EEOC or civil rights division in the state you interviewed. In order to bring a discrimination lawsuit, you need to have it investigated first, either by the EEOC or the civil rights division in that state. If you believe that you were the best person for the job and that the only reason that you were not chosen is because you are on the spectrum (and they knew it when they made the decision) then you should have filed a complaint. Unfortunately, your complaint is now to old to file (EEOC has 180 day deadline and most states have only up to 300 days.) Just as an FYI- I used to be a state civil rights investigator.

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05 Jun 2016, 1:30 am

ok wrote:

Yand you need solid proof that they discriminated you, i.e. a rejection letter saying "you're autistic and we don't like you", literally.

This is what I was afraid of. We aren't among any kind of "protected minorities", so everyone can discriminate us without any consequences.
Because, you know, you don't need a rejection letter saying "you're black and we don't like you" to win a racial discrimination lawsuit.

ok wrote:

You could also try any local autism group or organization.

Well, there aren't any in my country (what is not something unusual for a third-class country). And organizations in any first-class countries just don't want to know me unless I already have citizenship or residency (which I can't get for obvious reasons).
Looks like I'm really f****d up.

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05 Jun 2016, 1:37 am

Caseymom wrote:

Just as an FYI- I used to be a state civil rights investigator.

Thanks for info. This looks like suing someone for ASD discrimination is just completely impossible.

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05 Jun 2016, 7:55 am

XenoMind wrote:

Caseymom wrote:

Just as an FYI- I used to be a state civil rights investigator.

Thanks for info. This looks like suing someone for ASD discrimination is just completely impossible.

Caseymom's suggestion was probably the best help you could get.

Even if you are living in a 3rd world country, there has to be some sort of autism organization around. Where do you live?

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05 Jun 2016, 11:17 am

ok wrote:

Even if you are living in a 3rd world country, there has to be some sort of autism organization around.

Well, some more lectures definitely will help me. /s
That's the maximum of what they can do.

ok wrote:

Where do you live?

Russia.

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05 Jun 2016, 1:39 pm

XenoMind wrote:

ok wrote:

Even if you are living in a 3rd world country, there has to be some sort of autism organization around.

Well, some more lectures definitely will help me. /s
That's the maximum of what they can do.

ok wrote:

Where do you live?

Russia.

I'm not sure what you mean by lectures, but an autism organization can help you with legal matters. There has to be some sort of autism organization somewhere in Russia.

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05 Jun 2016, 11:18 pm

ok wrote:

but an autism organization can help you with legal matters

You think that Russia is like Denmark. It's absolutely not.

ok wrote:

There has to be some sort of autism organization somewhere in Russia.

Yes, "some sort".

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06 Jun 2016, 3:52 am

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ok wrote:

The main reason is because unions have been anti-intellectual and focused on semi-skilled, blue-collar laborers (i.e., assembly-line workers, farm workers, hotel workers, truckers, et cetera) since their inception. When the technical revolution hit in the 1970s, American labor unions weren't interested in representing the technical workers (e.g., those with Associate's Degrees in electronics, networking, programming, et cetera), and when those jobs multiplied, the unions ignored them in favor of workers who worked more with their muscles than with their brains - the very definition of labor

In addition, (and I've seen this a lot when I was still working in IT) most professional positions (network admins, engineers, help desk personnel, etc) that require a degree are considered to be management, and for the most part, are exempt from most of the rules and protections afforded to labor. In short, executive management got the professionals by the genitals, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

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06 Jun 2016, 12:53 pm

XenoMind wrote:

ok wrote:

but an autism organization can help you with legal matters

You think that Russia is like Denmark. It's absolutely not.

ok wrote:

There has to be some sort of autism organization somewhere in Russia.

Yes, "some sort".

OK - I understand. No one out there can help you.
I guess that ends my long list of ideas that could help you.

Just because I'm curious I would like to ask: What kind of discrimination did you meet at that job interview? What did they tell you?

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06 Jun 2016, 10:12 pm

ok wrote:

OK - I understand. No one out there can help you.

Well... social payment for disabled persons of the 1st category in Russia (1st cat = the ones completely incapable to work and serve themselves, such as quadriplegics) is ~170 US$ a month. So much for getting help in Russia.

ok wrote:

Just because I'm curious I would like to ask: What kind of discrimination did you meet at that job interview? What did they tell you?

This was in the very first message.
It looks like you don't know much about employment. HRs never say you the real reasons why they decided to not hire you or to lay you out.

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07 Jun 2016, 6:01 am

XenoMind wrote:

Yes, that sounds awful. But I am not talking about welfare. I am talking about privately owned organizations that help people with disabilities. There must be something in Russia.

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This was in the very first message.
It looks like you don't know much about employment. HRs never say you the real reasons why they decided to not hire you or to lay you out.

No, I don't know a lot about employment. I am just a guy on the internet trying to help. I did read your first post, but it says that you have been rejected three times and that is all you said about it. Anyways, it all happened almost a year ago, so I guess it is all too late now. I wasn't telling you to give up, but suing them would have been very expensive for you.

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08 Jun 2016, 1:00 am

ok wrote:

I am talking about privately owned organizations that help people with disabilities. There must be something in Russia.

Yes, there are some. What they can do is: lectures, trainings, and some "assisted job interviews". I'm afraid that all this is for really low functioning autists. And no legal help at all.
Anyway, the mere idea of suing a company in Russia is completely unrealistic. I could end up with a few broken bones if I tried (at least).

ok wrote:

but it says that you have been rejected three times and that is all you said about it.

It was actually 5, I've checked my emails. And I counted only face-to-face interviews. If I add phone/skype interviews to this list, it would me more like 20, and countless number of email converstations (counting only the companies outside Russia). And only a single success - but they kicked me out after I have done all the dirty work for them.

ok wrote:

I wasn't telling you to give up, but suing them would have been very expensive for you.

However, I don't have many other options. I already did my best to try to beat these damned interviews. And the list of the projects I have done clearly shows that I'm doing my job well. On my last job, one of the projects I have done is currently on the company's showcase, and that company is worth >$100 million. Sometimes I just loathe every single HR and manager in the world.

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12 Jun 2016, 6:39 pm

Being 100% qualified doesn't guarantee you or anyone else a job. There may well be 5 or 500 others who are also 100% qualified for that same position.

Suing doesn't seem like a way to address thi issue.

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12 Jun 2016, 10:14 pm

Sangsang wrote:

Being 100% qualified doesn't guarantee you or anyone else a job. There may well be 5 or 500 others who are also 100% qualified for that same position.
Suing doesn't seem like a way to address thi issue.

Indeed. Nobody guarantees job for damned weirdos. /s

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