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Apple_in_my_Eye
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21 Nov 2018, 8:04 pm

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So how are you guys not homeless in the us?

Some undoubtedly are, and most of them probably don't have internet access to reply.

I'm disabled and on benefits for other reasons.
Some may be just underemployed.
Some might find a niche where they're allowed to be weird because the job doesn't involve interacting with people
much, or because no one else has their skill set.
There's self-employment.
Being married and being the stay-at-home person is possible.
Some people may be getting help from relatives.
And, some can manage working normally. Maybe it's draining or they have a very helpful spouse, but possible.

That said, it's not overall not a great system, IMO, though. Lots of big cracks for people to fall into.



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22 Nov 2018, 10:26 am

So i will End up homelessness?



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23 Nov 2018, 11:13 am

Probably not.

Are you parents threatening to kick you out now?



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24 Nov 2018, 12:59 am

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So i will End up homelessness?

It's not guaranteed, at all. You have to try and see how working goes. You could get lucky -- I did with my first job. My supervisor left for college classes an hour after I got there, and no one else worked in the mail room. And, I was too low in the pecking order to attract the attention of the office bully. The supervisor was also basically ideal (would calmly and logically explain why my mistakes were mistakes). There was a gaff at the end that got me fired, but overall it was a good experience.

And, if you do have trouble it could serve as evidence that you do have difficulties with working. It sounds like depression may be an issue. It would be good to get that treated if you can. I've been there and it makes everything seem 100 times harder than it really is. So, things may look impossible, but you're not really doomed.



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24 Nov 2018, 2:56 am

because all handicapped get counted in
and those not not
there's a 'little' bias toward lowexpectation



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24 Nov 2018, 3:09 am

I'm an AS, and at one stage I had a successful job for 11 years, mainly because I loved the repetition of the job.



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24 Nov 2018, 3:13 am

Long term unemployed I have relied upon family and welfare for 10 years since completing a business degree back in 2008. I have only had one job that I held for 18 months before quitting that to do a business degree. I am unemployable and undateable and a loser.



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25 Nov 2018, 5:22 am

Fos11 wrote:
Is it true that most autists are unemployed? Is searching for a job when you have autism pointless? Especially because you will never get a decent job anyway? So why bother searchung for a job, and then maybe work for a pittance? But why are most autists unemployable? Is it because of anxiety?


I don't think most of us are "unemployable". To me, that would imply that you're completely incompetent and physically/mentally cannot do anything resembling "work". The problem is that most companies are still stuck in the asinine, old-fashioned hiring system that does a poor job of picking candidates. More companies are starting to specifically cater to we autists, but it's not a silver bullet (personally, I've had 0 success with them). At least it's a step in the right direction, though. You're only 19. I don't know if you're going to college, but I imagine it'll be better for us in a few years.



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26 Nov 2018, 12:12 am

Your industry of choice has a lot to do with it too. I failed every attempt at customer service/office type jobs. Getting into a warehouse or production facility is easy. Most of them start through a temp service and all you need there is clean pee, a pulse, and a lack of court dates (past, or future). My problem solving abilities and tenacity at seeing the big picture of material flow/production aspects have brought me from repacking individual diesel exhaust parts to lying my way onto a forklift simply by observing the equipment and control movements to learning ERP/MRP systems such as SAP to being made a supervisor making stupid money. I'm a supervisor in an industry where the quickest way to an answer with zero filter is appreciated more than it is advised against. I could never do this well in any other industry. I still don't get how people's personal issues with each other matter at work, but what I lack in understanding of my employee's emotions, I gain in "fighting for them" as it relates to stupid ideas from engineers and upper management.

I'll admit though, from the time I started working at the age of 16, I didn't come across this much job satisfaction until I was like 25 or 26. Before then, I did a lot of job hopping and moving around because other jobs underutilized me causing boredom, or they just didn't make sense so I stopped going. It's impossible for me, as an aspie, to just settle for a job because bills need to be paid. I'd dismiss every BS speech like that. Do X because Y has to be done.....mmmmm....Nope.



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27 Nov 2018, 5:11 pm

The only other person I know personally who is (probably) on the spectrum has, like me, experienced problems with employment. We both never give up and are constantly interviewing, getting hired, and working hard, though, even if we often get fired as well :roll: (for a lot of the stupid reasons others on this thread have pointed out). But in my opinion, we're both, considering our education, qualifications, latent skills and inherent potential, being severely under-utilised - based on perceptions of how we come across socially, of course.

By contrast, the only person I know who has absolutely never been unemployed or had any problems getting work or passing job interviews, is a friend of mine, an NT, who is extremely emotionally intelligent. I can't even put my finger on what she does - she just seems to be able to click with other people instantly, read their minds, know what they want and what they don't want, and the whole time she's barely spoken 5 words, yet communicated pages to the other person. She's also a very good listener.

No matter how many thousand hours I've spent practising, I've never been able to achieve half her social awareness and no matter how much more I practise, I'll never, ever achieve her emotional potential.

So I've decided to just become a Youtube star.


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27 Nov 2018, 10:03 pm

Band aid solutions like therapy and medication do not address the underlying issues that disabled and Autistic people face through out their lives in regards to fitting into society. They struggle to find employment and struggle to form friendships and relationships due to not being accepted by society. Positive thinking and medication is not going to change being disabled and/or Autistic people dealing with poor social skills and low emotional intelligence.

Anecdotal stories of people that have had good luck to overcome their issues is not going to change the lives of most of the Autistic and disabled people with issues. It comes down to luck, some people have good luck in life and some people are plagued by bad luck in life.



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28 Nov 2018, 8:07 pm

85% of people with Autism are unemployed. Only 15% of Autistics are employed. I have been unemployed for a very long time and never held a job and relied upon welfare. 10 years ago I completed a college degree but it was a waste of time. I have applied for thousands of jobs but not a single response. I even applied for low entry level jobs and jobs I regarded as way beneath me but still no response. It is a tough job market and there are plenty of unemployed people out there in this world. Bad luck and factors they can not control, turn the unemployed into unemployable.



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28 Nov 2018, 8:16 pm

I'm on the Spectrum. I have had the same job since 1980.



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09 Dec 2018, 6:21 pm

Aspie19828 wrote:
Band aid solutions like therapy and medication do not address the underlying issues that disabled and Autistic people face through out their lives in regards to fitting into society. They struggle to find employment and struggle to form friendships and relationships due to not being accepted by society. Positive thinking and medication is not going to change being disabled and/or Autistic people dealing with poor social skills and low emotional intelligence.

Anecdotal stories of people that have had good luck to overcome their issues is not going to change the lives of most of the Autistic and disabled people with issues. It comes down to luck, some people have good luck in life and some people are plagued by bad luck in life.


A lot of truth to this.


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11 Dec 2018, 8:51 am

Let me see... there are about 11 autistic people in my extended family. None of us are losers, six of them have phD. Each person needed a little extra help like staying in parents' home while going to college, or taking 6 years to finish a 4 year program so it wouldn't be as much stress. Most of us have trouble with romantic relationship, but career wise everything is peachy. The trick is - they all chose a field they love / have special interest in. Due to the obsessive autistic energy they became the best in the field, then they get good jobs because they're so good at them. (We have 5 physicists, 3 engineers, 1 computer programmer, 1 office administrator, plus the two kids.)

If I may give you suggestion, stop worrying about homelessness. Take little steps towards independence. Your parents will see you're trying and will not kick you out. First start with some volunteer job, just a few hours a week, then try a night class. Whatever education you're missing you can still take them as adult. In my city all the high school courses are free for adults. Go check out some colleges and see what programs you like. Then apply and start learning. I know you're likely to dismiss my suggestion, but this is a true story.

Three years ago I had no future, was in deep depression, anxious about everything and felt my life was just a waste. What I described in the above paragraph was exactly what I did. Getting out and doing things is the best med for depression. I've come a long way. Today I feel capable and strong. I have finished college with the highest grades, learned many useful things, made many friends, and I'm ready to face the next stage of life. Oh and my depression is gone as well. You are so young and your future has a lot more possibilities. Don't be afraid, and step out of the door. Even if you only gain partial independence you'll still feel very different about yourself.


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12 Dec 2018, 5:28 am

I have no special unique skill or talent and I am never going to specialise in any field. I am low to medium functioning Autistic and since completing a Business degree, 10 years ago I have done no employment, no education and no training. I am long term unemployed and part of that scary majority of 80% of Autistics are unemployed stat. Autistic people are less employable than non-Autistic people, because being sociable and working as part of a team is expected in most employment fields. There are some employed Autistic people out there but they are part of the lucky 20% employed Autistics.