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11 Oct 2013, 6:56 pm

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The cohort born between 1954 and 1965 used to be considered part of the Baby Boom cohort. Now they have been separated into something called Generation Jones. Why? Because this cohort--my cohort--was the first in American history not to do as well as their parents. And things have only gotten worse for each succeeding cohort, until now it is very difficult to find a decent job, even with good training.


Thelibrarian – I had never heard of this term before. But, it makes so much sense (and is so true).

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Here is why: Since the early seventies, when my cohort began to come of age, the hostile elite class has co-opted what is supposed to be OUR government and used it to enact free trade policies that have encouraged businesses to offshore every job possible, meaning there are fewer good-paying jobs. Baby boomers and preceding generations could easily land a decent-paying job that would support a family on nothing but a high school education. These jobs have been offshored now to places like China and Mexico.

At the same time, the hostile elites opened up the borders in 1965, thereby admitting countless millions of immigrants to drive down wages on those jobs that are left.

As far as capitalism being the culprit, socialism is the alternative. I have seen socialism, and it isn't something I would wish on anybody. We need to reform the system we have.


I don’t believe that outsourcing and free trade could have been avoided unless the US wanted to give up its position as leader of the free world. The consequence (for its citizens) is that the world is becoming ultra competitive. I personally believe the government needs to do more, in terms of helping its citizens succeed in this global competitive marketplace. I also believe that the US will have significant issues if the divergence between the 1% and everyone else continues along its current course.



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11 Oct 2013, 7:01 pm

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I also believe that the US will have significant issues if the divergence between the 1% and everyone else continues along its current course.

but there is always the possibility that the 1% already has turned its back on America as anything but a source of cheap labor [via "race to the bottom"] to supply emerging foreign middle-class markets.



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11 Oct 2013, 7:14 pm

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I would like to see what he actually wrote to discuss the matter intelligently. There are things Sailer has written I disagree with, but the breadth of his knowledge and intellect is simply astounding.

the wiki cliffnotes version, below-

Hurricane Katrina and IQ

Steve Sailer argued on VDARE following Hurricane Katrina that the lower average IQ of African-Americans found in intelligence research correlates with "poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups resulting in the need for stricter moral guidance from society." He said that looting after the 1995 Kobe earthquake was minimal because "when you get down to it, Japanese aren't blacks."[17]
John Podhoretz called Sailer's comments racist.[18] Sailer responded that his accusers admitted a correlation between low IQ and poor judgment by supporting the Supreme Court's 2002 Atkins v. Virginia decision "that, in effect, banned the death penalty for killers with IQs under 70."[19] John Derbyshire defended Sailer, citing large variance in incarceration rates by race and birth rates for unmarried women by race.[20]
According to Peter Brimelow, Sailer's original article has been emailed out by readers (through the link to "email [this article] to a friend") at among the highest volumes seen by VDARE's articles.[21] Sailer also responded to John Podhoretz in "Podhoretz, Junior vs. Steve Sailer",[22] by quoting from a 1963 Commentary essay by Podhoretz's father, Norman, "My Negro Problem—and Ours",[23] in which Norman Podhoretz made statements on black violence in character with Sailer's.


Which of these contentions, which are all accurate and true as far as I can tell, do you disagree with?

I am not prepared to discuss the merits or deficits of sailor's statements, all I can say is that they are politically incorrect in the blunt manner that he chose to couch them. it shows tone-deafness at least. if one wants to persuade a large audience, it makes no sense to deliberately piss off a part of said audience when it could easily have been prevented with nicer language. if he intended his comments to be read only by the conservative elect in-group [IOW "us versus THEM"], that also is problematic for me, as it smacks of di-social personality traits that are very unsavory.



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11 Oct 2013, 7:45 pm

I don’t believe that outsourcing and free trade could have been avoided unless the US wanted to give up its position as leader of the free world. The consequence (for its citizens) is that the world is becoming ultra competitive. I personally believe the government needs to do more, in terms of helping its citizens succeed in this global competitive marketplace. I also believe that the US will have significant issues if the divergence between the 1% and everyone else continues along its current course.

I think the evidence quite clearly shows that the US is losing its preeminent position, and free trade is to blame. Please consider:

I'm 51, and I was in junior high the last time this country ran a positive balance of trade, meaning we exported more than we imported. Because the US dollar is the world's reserve currency, we've been able to get away with this; no other country would have. But as the world fills up with a glut of dollars, our reserve currency status will be lost to this irresponsibility. I would further add that every single free trade deal, without exception, has made this trade deficit worse.

An economy, any economy, consists of three basic factors: producers, consumers, and entrepreneurs. And no economy can be stronger than the weakest of these factors--like a chain. Since WWII, the US public has been a large part of the consuming factor--the world's biggest market. But as all the wealth-generating capacity has been offshored over the years, American consumers have been on a debt binge to maintain their high consumption levels. It is unsustainable.

Creating wealth is being able to take things out of the ground and make them into things people want to buy. Today, this country's biggest exports concentrate around the raw materials needed to make the things people want to buy. This role of being impoverished resource provider to the industrialized countries was the biggest grievance the colonial states had against their European imperial masters. It is more than a little bit ironic that the tables have turned 180 degrees, and needlessly so. It is because of free trade.

I could go on, but suffice it to say that until this country starts making things again, and at above-subsistence wages--that things not only here, but all over the world, will only get worse. The world will have lost its great market over excessive greed and narcissism that led to free trade.



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11 Oct 2013, 7:52 pm

"I am not prepared to discuss the merits or deficits of sailor's statements, all I can say is that they are politically incorrect in the blunt manner that he chose to couch them. it shows tone-deafness at least. if one wants to persuade a large audience, it makes no sense to deliberately piss off a part of said audience when it could easily have been prevented with nicer language. if he intended his comments to be read only by the conservative elect in-group [IOW "us versus THEM"], that also is problematic for me, as it smacks of di-social personality traits that are very unsavory."

Actually, Sailer comes across in his writings as very amiable, though not without a cutting sense of humor.

Sailer also has a very large audience considering the level on which he writes. In particular, he is read by the major opinion makers because of his brilliance, even though they hate what he has to say. The establishment defines itself in part by opposition to his ideas.



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11 Oct 2013, 8:39 pm

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Yes, mass immigration is occurring in every Western country now, and no Western countries save South Africa, which is also being inundated. And in every case, it is at least ninety percent from the less developed nations and the Third World.


I read not long ago that there is a major problem with illegal immigration into Spain to work in the greenhouses there.

If you want to see something amazing, take a look at http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/08/the-greenhouses-of-almeria.html.

Here's a sample photo of the greenhouses:

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11 Oct 2013, 8:49 pm

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Yes, mass immigration is occurring in every Western country now, and no Western countries save South Africa, which is also being inundated. And in every case, it is at least ninety percent from the less developed nations and the Third World.


I read not long ago that there is a major problem with illegal immigration into Spain to work in the greenhouses there.

If you want to see something amazing, take a look at http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/08/the-greenhouses-of-almeria.html.

Here's a sample photo of the greenhouses:

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Yes, Spain is a Western country and has been badly overrun with Africans, both north Africans and sub-Saharan blacks. Since so many of them rely on public assistance, they have really put a strain on Spain's finances. Spain is under orders from the EU to lower their deficits while trying to deal with an employment rate of over twenty percent, caused in part by the flood of immigrants competing with natives for jobs too scarce to go around.

Actually, there is one exception to Western countries having open borders: Israel. I'm not sure what the status is, but the government there launched a very serious campaign to rid the country of illegals some months back.

As far as the greenhouses go, I'm guessing they are used for citrus?



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11 Oct 2013, 10:10 pm

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As far as the greenhouses go, I'm guessing they are used for citrus?


According to the article, vegetables and fruits. That matches what I read earlier -- a great deal of the vegetables and fruit eaten throughout Europe are grown in wall to wall greenhouses in southern Europe.



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11 Oct 2013, 10:12 pm

does anyone have the LAT/LON for those greenhouses? I'd like to look at them with Google Earth.


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11 Oct 2013, 10:30 pm

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I don’t believe that outsourcing and free trade could have been avoided unless the US wanted to give up its position as leader of the free world. The consequence (for its citizens) is that the world is becoming ultra competitive. I personally believe the government needs to do more, in terms of helping its citizens succeed in this global competitive marketplace. I also believe that the US will have significant issues if the divergence between the 1% and everyone else continues along its current course.

I think the evidence quite clearly shows that the US is losing its preeminent position, and free trade is to blame. Please consider:

I'm 51, and I was in junior high the last time this country ran a positive balance of trade, meaning we exported more than we imported. Because the US dollar is the world's reserve currency, we've been able to get away with this; no other country would have. But as the world fills up with a glut of dollars, our reserve currency status will be lost to this irresponsibility. I would further add that every single free trade deal, without exception, has made this trade deficit worse.

An economy, any economy, consists of three basic factors: producers, consumers, and entrepreneurs. And no economy can be stronger than the weakest of these factors--like a chain. Since WWII, the US public has been a large part of the consuming factor--the world's biggest market. But as all the wealth-generating capacity has been offshored over the years, American consumers have been on a debt binge to maintain their high consumption levels. It is unsustainable.

Creating wealth is being able to take things out of the ground and make them into things people want to buy. Today, this country's biggest exports concentrate around the raw materials needed to make the things people want to buy. This role of being impoverished resource provider to the industrialized countries was the biggest grievance the colonial states had against their European imperial masters. It is more than a little bit ironic that the tables have turned 180 degrees, and needlessly so. It is because of free trade.

I could go on, but suffice it to say that until this country starts making things again, and at above-subsistence wages--that things not only here, but all over the world, will only get worse. The world will have lost its great market over excessive greed and narcissism that led to free trade.


And you my friend explained perfectly why we are in the shape we are in. We need an international gold standard, devoid of a name, replace dollar, Yen, Eruo with just the word gold. Murray Rothbard mentioned that this is how the world operated prior to the 1500's . This will ultimately, with silver, will be a poor man's assets. I think if we actually abolished money, and replaced it with gold, we could legitimately claim savings as an asset, and as a result empower the middle and lower classes. But at this rate, we will send many to the poor house.



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11 Oct 2013, 10:32 pm

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I don’t believe that outsourcing and free trade could have been avoided unless the US wanted to give up its position as leader of the free world. The consequence (for its citizens) is that the world is becoming ultra competitive. I personally believe the government needs to do more, in terms of helping its citizens succeed in this global competitive marketplace. I also believe that the US will have significant issues if the divergence between the 1% and everyone else continues along its current course.

I think the evidence quite clearly shows that the US is losing its preeminent position, and free trade is to blame. Please consider:

I'm 51, and I was in junior high the last time this country ran a positive balance of trade, meaning we exported more than we imported. Because the US dollar is the world's reserve currency, we've been able to get away with this; no other country would have. But as the world fills up with a glut of dollars, our reserve currency status will be lost to this irresponsibility. I would further add that every single free trade deal, without exception, has made this trade deficit worse.

An economy, any economy, consists of three basic factors: producers, consumers, and entrepreneurs. And no economy can be stronger than the weakest of these factors--like a chain. Since WWII, the US public has been a large part of the consuming factor--the world's biggest market. But as all the wealth-generating capacity has been offshored over the years, American consumers have been on a debt binge to maintain their high consumption levels. It is unsustainable.

Creating wealth is being able to take things out of the ground and make them into things people want to buy. Today, this country's biggest exports concentrate around the raw materials needed to make the things people want to buy. This role of being impoverished resource provider to the industrialized countries was the biggest grievance the colonial states had against their European imperial masters. It is more than a little bit ironic that the tables have turned 180 degrees, and needlessly so. It is because of free trade.

I could go on, but suffice it to say that until this country starts making things again, and at above-subsistence wages--that things not only here, but all over the world, will only get worse. The world will have lost its great market over excessive greed and narcissism that led to free trade.


And you my friend explained perfectly why we are in the shape we are in. We need an international gold standard, devoid of a name, replace dollar, Yen, Eruo with just the word gold. Murray Rothbard mentioned that this is how the world operated prior to the 1500's . This will ultimately, with silver, will be a poor man's assets. I think if we actually abolished money, and replaced it with gold, we could legitimately claim savings as an asset, and as a result empower the middle and lower classes. But at this rate, we will send many to the poor house.



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12 Oct 2013, 3:15 am

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Many public libraries have Internet available for their patrons. One could get along okay without it if near most public libraries.


It depends on how much you use the internet and what you use it for. I couldn't live without internet in my house. It is my primary form of entertainment, information, and socializing. My internet is only $20 or $25 a month so I think it's a good deal considering that I use it a lot.

My library only lets you use their computers once a day for 1 hour.



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12 Oct 2013, 8:15 am

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As far as the greenhouses go, I'm guessing they are used for citrus?


According to the article, vegetables and fruits. That matches what I read earlier -- a great deal of the vegetables and fruit eaten throughout Europe are grown in wall to wall greenhouses in southern Europe.


Eric, if this is what Spain wants to do, that is their business. But Spain would be much better off buying its fruits and vegetables from areas where they can be grown naturally--in other words, using free trade. This is what is economists call comparative advantage, and makes good sense. What is being practiced now, which is the wholesale shipping of a country's entire productive apparatus to countries with the cheapest labor is what is called absolute advantage, and is a form of insanity.



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12 Oct 2013, 8:19 am

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Many public libraries have Internet available for their patrons. One could get along okay without it if near most public libraries.


It depends on how much you use the internet and what you use it for. I couldn't live without internet in my house. It is my primary form of entertainment, information, and socializing. My internet is only $20 or $25 a month so I think it's a good deal considering that I use it a lot.

My library only lets you use their computers once a day for 1 hour.


Hanyo, you would be surprised what you can live without when you have to.

Most libraries, including mine, do have time restrictions on the use of the Internet (ours is two hours a day). But all libraries that I know of will let you stay on as long as you want provided nobody else is waiting to get onto a computer. In other words, these policies are put in place to ensure that everybody gets to use a computer who needs to; they aren't designed to keep people off of them.



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12 Oct 2013, 8:22 am

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I also believe that the US will have significant issues if the divergence between the 1% and everyone else continues along its current course.

but there is always the possibility that the 1% already has turned its back on America as anything but a source of cheap labor [via "race to the bottom"] to supply emerging foreign middle-class markets.


Blabby, your comments are very astute. In fact, the elites turned their backs on their own countries long ago in favor of what some have called a "new world order" of free trade and open borders. Things like nationalism and local customs put a crimp in their profits, and therefore must go. This is why we have an EU and WTO.



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12 Oct 2013, 8:44 am

"And you my friend explained perfectly why we are in the shape we are in. We need an international gold standard, devoid of a name, replace dollar, Yen, Eruo with just the word gold. Murray Rothbard mentioned that this is how the world operated prior to the 1500's . This will ultimately, with silver, will be a poor man's assets. I think if we actually abolished money, and replaced it with gold, we could legitimately claim savings as an asset, and as a result empower the middle and lower classes. But at this rate, we will send many to the poor house."

Much of Europe actually had a common gold currency in the 18C: The .1867 coins, which are still commonly sold today. See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Monetary_Union

Question: If it worked so well, why was it stopped?

Answer: Because while gold does solve certain problems, such as inflation, it creates others, such as very serious deflation. Gold's strongest advantage is also its biggest disadvantage, which is that the supply is relatively fixed, and it is scarce, thereby inhibiting economic growth because the money supply cannot grow along with the economy. As such, the gold standard works to the advantage of those who already have money (the rich), and against those who do not have it (everybody else).

It's the reason for one of the most famous speeches in American history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_gold_speech

As far as one coin being the standard for the world, what about those countries that don't care to participate? How are you going to force them into this new world order? No, I say if the Swiss want to be on a gold standard, the more power to them; and if the Greeks want fiat money, that is their business too.

Though I'm hardly an expert on the Austrian economists, I seriously doubt Rothbard said the world had a gold standard prior to 1500. It was only after 1500, when the Spaniards raided New World gold stores that gold became common. Prior to that time, silver was the standard unit of exchange simply because gold was so rare. Actually, the US had the same problem prior to the discovery of gold in California in the late 1840's.