Five fields an Aspie should NEVER work in

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05 Nov 2011, 1:26 pm

is wall street a emergency service? lol



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06 Nov 2011, 9:52 pm

MANY surgeons have aspie tendencies.

One physician who I know said attending meetings with surgeons is like being in a room full of aspies.

We as aspies have different abilities. And to some extent most people will excell at one thing a little bit more than another.

I think the key is to find your niche. Look at your abilities first then your challenges second. By examining your abilities first, the job market opens. By then looking carefully at your personal challenges, one can narrow down what they would feel most comfortable with. I believe another key in autism is to allow our challenges help us grow. By doing so, I think we can give society more stability. This just my personal opinion.



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08 Nov 2011, 2:08 pm

Add public accounting to that list. I guess that ties in with your explanation of sales and management.



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11 Nov 2011, 8:45 am

safffron wrote:
A reference or research librarian (or media/information specialist) often has to deal with the public, though it is usually one-on-one, so that might be an ideal situation. So is working in acquisitions.


That would be way better than sales, where you have to be slick and solicitous, bending over backwards to persuade a client. A reference/research librarian is an expert that someone approaches for assistance.



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11 Nov 2011, 8:49 am

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Anything that involves stability. If a job is routine and stable, even slightly boring with a clear set of tasks then it is good for us.


That is my job. Cut trees away from powerlines....don't get hurt, don't knock the power out. Trees grow back, do it again. Get a paycheck every Friday.


That actually sounds pretty good. How does a fellow get in on that?



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12 Nov 2011, 8:28 pm

I worked as a sales agent, and I was good, once I realized all you have to do is act. You had to say your lines (and maintain a certain facial expression and body language), and respond to your clients' (very narrow) answers. Seriously, that was easy, because once you learn what to say and what facial expression to have, and once you learn how your clients might react, it's easy.

So I'd say it's not impossible if you're ok with acting (I don't mean on professional acting, but pretending not to be you).



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12 Nov 2011, 9:35 pm

>>2) SALES: again, this field should be avoided...sure an Aspie can relay technical product details inside-out, but would miss the subtle signs that a potential client is not interested in what you have to offer, and try to recoup the sale or adopt another tactic to sell them on something else. <<

Missing social cues can be an advantage in sales. When I did telemarketing, the quality assurance graders thought I was awesome because my persistence overcame clients' objections. I suppose there should be a limit to everything, however.

>>Also, in this field your co-workers tend to be cut-throat and competitive even in an unscrupulous way, so an Aspie is liable to be walked all over, have credit stolen for sales due to being too trusting with colleagues as "friends", etc...not good.<<

Sales are probably the arena where you are least likely to lose credit. Close sales and the stats are yours.

If you decide on self-employment, which many of us do at some point, you will need to learn about sales. It's not hard.



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13 Nov 2011, 6:50 am

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I'm an Aspie myself, so none of my fellow Aspies should take offense by my producing this list...apart from these, don't let anyone tell you you're not suited for any other job. Note that these five job types involve all the traits that are the contrary of Asperger traits. I believe that Aspies are best suited to any analytical, engineering, software, design, laboratory etc jobs...and those in the middle like doctor and lawyer ARE within the realm of Aspie attainability with the right counseling. But these ones below...NO...so read on, and contribute 5 more if you can to make the top 10 jobs for Aspies to avoid:

1) THE HOSPITALITY SECTOR: this one is a red flag and a no-brainer to avoid. It entails thinking on one's feet, multitasking in an environment full of cues, responding promptly to non-verbals, dealing with irate clients and remaining thick-skinned, using motor skills in the case of serving tables (not so much if you're a hotel desk clerk...) so I always steered clear of this one. It's unfortunate, because this appears to be the field of choice for youth in the 17-25 demographic, and where most people get their first real-world work experience, which propels them forward. My stint in the service industry was fraught with harassment and dismissal.

2) SALES: again, this field should be avoided...sure an Aspie can relay technical product details inside-out, but would miss the subtle signs that a potential client is not interested in what you have to offer, and try to recoup the sale or adopt another tactic to sell them on something else. Also, in this field your co-workers tend to be cut-throat and competitive even in an unscrupulous way, so an Aspie is liable to be walked all over, have credit stolen for sales due to being too trusting with colleagues as "friends", etc...not good.

3) EMERGENCY SERVICES: I recommend that any Aspie stay a long, long way away from this field!! Police, fire and paramedic services can be stressful, involve using intuition under pressure (police), having good motor skills, being thick-skinned, and so on...they also are heavy on social brotherly codes with unwritten rules aplenty that can confound an Aspie. Stay away!!

4) MANAGEMENT: at the lower levels, it's possible, but once you get to the middle-upper echelons of management, it can be a nightmare for an Aspie. This involves dealing with manipulative and narcissistic personalities, executive functioning, social graces, seeing the big picture instead of analyzing details, having better processing speed than memory, being thick-skinned...all the things that an Aspie is not.

5) CARPENTRY & CONSTRUCTION: these involve motor skills, spatial reasoning, and practical smarts as opposed to intellectual smarts...while I believe that an Aspie can be a good designer, architect, drafter etc...they would not be as good in "real-time" as far as responding to directions (oh, you wanted this stake driven one foot closer this way away from this wall? Sorry, you didn't tell me that in specific terms...you just assumed I knew). They might focus more on the details of a task rather than looking at the overall environment to infer that the detail-oriented task would not allow for further tasks to be completed in the same general space b/c it is too constraining or interfering, and they can't press "Ctrl+Z" to undo the error as easily as they could in AutoCAD or Visio.


Strange...my current job involves 2, 4 , and 5. I'm 21 and an Aspie.

I could understand 2 and 5. But 4 is something an Aspie I feel has a real advantage over an NT. We think logically, and in business, despite all the various personalities, logic will almost always seal a deal. Also it would be great for an Aspie so that they can learn better people skills.

Wait a minute, these are the types of jobs an Aspie SHOULD be TRYING to do. Not this librarian or other things that don't require social skills, because then you don't improve at all! And what part of being an Aspie means that you are thin-skinned?



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14 Nov 2011, 5:36 pm

My father's very likely an Aspie and he's been an EMT/firefighter since he was 13.

I think Aspies shouldn't limit themselves based on preconceptions and stereotypes.


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15 Nov 2011, 9:14 am

Wow, you guys have some very insightful responses, well done!! ! As the original poster of this thread, I am pleased to see it's grown to 70-odd responses already. Now that I can extract some discernable patterns, the one glaring thing is that being a WAITER is the biggest red flag for any Aspie, the #1 must-avoid job. I have seen people refute the other types of conventionally non-Aspie-friendly jobs (like emerg services, sales, etc.) and I see plenty of merit in their reasoning, but nobody (that I've seen, I could have missed it) has come forward and said they were a successful waiter and made lots of tips, got lots of compliments on the comment cards etc. I think this is because a server has the worst anti-Aspie formula, i.e. gross and fine motor skills, catching non-verbal cues while in a hurry, use of short-term memory, being diplomatic and making judgement calls if an order is delayed (do you give them 50% off, or ask the manager?) However, it is quite structured in that the menu is finite (sure, people can ask for no onions, or substitute mushrooms, etc...) and you just have to come by once in a while and ask the canned phrase "is everything OK?" 8) STILL...the net verdict is "stay away" in my mind. 8O



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15 Nov 2011, 10:44 pm

The Hospitality Sector- I too, was harassed and this was only during a hospitality course, so I saw the negative side straight away , thus turning me off from ever wanting to work a job in this particular field.The hospitality industry is great for some, but it can have a very detrimental effect on others.



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19 Nov 2011, 10:08 pm

Jayo wrote:
so read on, and contribute 5 more if you can to make the top 10 jobs for Aspies to avoid:

1) THE HOSPITALITY SECTOR

2) SALES:

3) EMERGENCY SERVICES:

4) MANAGEMENT:

5) CARPENTRY & CONSTRUCTION:


I agree with 1 to 3. I've done 1 and 2 working in a hotel and as a travel consultant. Now, I loved being a travel consultant in the sense of helping someone have a great vacation...but I hated the sales metrics part of it (the pressure to lie to make a sale is intolerable to me).

#3 I trained for emergency management (not 911 type stuff but rather natural disaster response type of things) and I found it to be very useful skills to have but in application I agree an aspie is not suited for such position. We had exercises where we were given limited data and told to act upon it and I always did bad because I needed more information before committing the limited resources at hand. I think that where NT's suffer from information overload I suffered from data starvation. :P

#4 mmmm... depends on the industry. I agree though that any management level relies too much on social networks and aspies arent known to develop them.

#5 is unexpected. I work rather well in hands on projects given the condition I'm allowed to see the micro and macro aspects of the work being done.



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20 Nov 2011, 8:43 am

Dantac wrote:
#3 I trained for emergency management (not 911 type stuff but rather natural disaster response type of things) and I found it to be very useful skills to have but in application I agree an aspie is not suited for such position. We had exercises where we were given limited data and told to act upon it and I always did bad because I needed more information before committing the limited resources at hand. I think that where NT's suffer from information overload I suffered from data starvation. :P


The "information overload" thing among NTs is an observation I've noted time and again. The extra info is stuff they would tend to see as "common sense" or "obvious", whereas us on the spectrum need it explicitly spelled out otherwise we are stymied by ambiguity and reluctant to make timely decisions.



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22 Nov 2011, 3:38 pm

Funny. I love carpentry. And I was pretty darn good at waiting tables. It's easy once you learn the rules-- get everything for your customers that you can, do everything you're told, never expect to be praised, and understand that getting kicked regularly is just part of the job.

The fact that I showed up promptly, wasn't there to socialize, and NEVER minded busing tables and cleaning bathrooms made me everyone's favorite employee.


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23 Nov 2011, 4:11 pm

I worked as a cashier, server, and cook at a bakery/cafe. As a cashier and server, I noticed that younger customers treated me as though I was stupid because I was a cashier; older customers seemed to like me, as well as visitors from foreign countries. I got the best treatment from the foreign customers because I understood them without any issue, unlike a lot of other people.
As a cook, I was much more relaxed. For whatever reason, the clang of pans and the crash of glass soothes me. Unfortunately, my boss liked me to be up front because I brought in the highest tips and could memorize the regulars' orders after just one or two instances. For that reason, I quit; I wanted to be in the back of the house.
The only problem I have with working in the back of a restaurant is my coworkers. If you're in a good workplace, you can wind up in a group of down to earth and nice people. However, you can also wind up with egotistical people. For example, when I was in culinary school, there was one guy who would leave early so he didn't have to clean up the kitchen lab and threw a tantrum when half the class called him out on it. He believed that because his mom was a chef he had special priviledges and was above those of us who came from simpler backgrounds.



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23 Nov 2011, 7:00 pm

I've been researching jobs for Aspies, as, my prior ventures into the working world (and academia) have been challenging. As the owner of a small consumer electronics business, I managed employers and customers, acted as a salesman, did installations (which combined wood-working and electronics), and provided tech support. I was adept at the latter two, though perhaps a bit slower than others. The management and sales portions were nigh impossible to master for me.

I've tutored and taught math and stats extensively. The tutoring generally went well, but it's a very different dynamic than teaching. As a tutor, I could always bring levity to difficult subjects with my "geeky" humor, and the students always knew I'm was there for them - and only them; the perception of being a helper was there, while with teaching, it was of authority. With teaching, you're also responsible to the subject matter (standards), compounded with purview over many students. Empathy becomes much more of an issue, and the teacher-student relationship can turn adversarial (and incredibly stressful) quickly.

I found the "Best and Worst Jobs for Aspergers Adults" article, some of which I found very enlightening. Interestingly, that the article clearly differentiates between pure math and applied math fields. My BS is in pure math, and I flubbed terribly when I went to grad school to continue those studies. I'm studying engineering now, which, while just as challenging, is much more engrossing, making it easier for me to study (and hopefully succeed in the workplace).

Do any of you have any other reading suggestions?