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09 Apr 2012, 1:37 pm

Recently a colleague in another department was fired because he wasn't cutting it. My boss has talked at least a couple of times now about how he suggested to the hiring manager not to hire this person to begin with, because he claims that when he interviewed him he could immediately tell that he was an aspie - how he can always pick them out. I barely knew this colleague but I certainly didn't get that impression of him from my limited contact with him. Anyway this is REALLY unnerving to me because he's sitting there saying this openly in front of me, which means he either doesn't think I'm an aspie, or he thinks I am but is saying this in front of me anyway, which is really insensitive I think. And he had already given me the whole bit during my performance review about body language etc., which was unnerving in itself, so if he can figure out that much, why should I be thinking if he's so great at picking us out, he hasn't picked me out? By the way he didn't hire me, he came to our company after I was already here.



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09 Apr 2012, 2:57 pm

Oh my goodness, be careful !

To my mind it seems like a perfect example of a law suit waiting to happen. But I would warn you to think twice before you choose to take up this matter. I suspect that unless the man is a total idiot he will not have put anything about his aspiephobic thoughts down on paper.

Maybe you should go and see your union rep, I will warn you that the "boss" may try to get back at you if you give evidence against the boss and the company.


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09 Apr 2012, 3:30 pm

ScrewyWabbit wrote:
Recently a colleague in another department was fired because he wasn't cutting it. My boss has talked at least a couple of times now about how he suggested to the hiring manager not to hire this person to begin with, because he claims that when he interviewed him he could immediately tell that he was an aspie - how he can always pick them out. I barely knew this colleague but I certainly didn't get that impression of him from my limited contact with him. Anyway this is REALLY unnerving to me because he's sitting there saying this openly in front of me, which means he either doesn't think I'm an aspie, or he thinks I am but is saying this in front of me anyway, which is really insensitive I think. And he had already given me the whole bit during my performance review about body language etc., which was unnerving in itself, so if he can figure out that much, why should I be thinking if he's so great at picking us out, he hasn't picked me out? By the way he didn't hire me, he came to our company after I was already here.


I would file a complaint with the labor board about this, as your boss has demonstrated a prejudice towards those with AS which clearly indicates he would engage in illegal and discriminatory practices against them.

This complaint might also serve to protect you should your boss attempt to fire you for AS related issues in the future.



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09 Apr 2012, 5:09 pm

Woodpecker wrote:
. . . To my mind it seems like a perfect example of a law suit waiting to happen. But I would warn you to think twice before you choose to take up this matter. I suspect that unless the man is a total idiot he will not have put anything about his aspiephobic thoughts down on paper.

Maybe you should go and see your union rep, I will warn you that the "boss" may try to get back at you if you give evidence against the boss and the company.

Or, go formal in another way. If you are officially diagnosed by a mental health professional, consider going to HR and maybe say something like, 'Hey, he's been giving me a hard time about body language. And a person can do the job perfectly well without being an expert on body language.'

If you're not formally diagnosed---and I myself am not, and I'm comfortable being self-diagnosed---consider the time and expense of doing so.

That is, consider 'playing the aspie card.'

This is similar to (I don't know, in the 1970s, when it was considered okay to be openly prejudiced against persons gay or lesbian) someone thinking they can 'know' whether someone is lesbian or gay.



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09 Apr 2012, 10:02 pm

Body language is a neurotypicals line of defense. however if an aspie is oblivious to body language then an aspie can say anything without giving a damn what others think. This can be very threatening to a controlling Boss because it means that an aspie is beyond the control of any Boss.



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10 Apr 2012, 3:58 pm

Maybe I gave the wrong impression in my first. I don't necessarily think my boss is anti-aspie. He didn't advocate not hiring the other person because he was aspie, per se, but because the person was exhibiting some traits that made him poorly suited to the job he was supposed to be doing - these traits happen to be traits that some aspie's have, but not all do. I don't think he'd refuse to hire someone simply because he was an aspie - it would depend on the person's skills and capabilities, just the same as he'd evaluate an NT job candidate.

I was more unnerved by the fact that he identified the other person as an aspie because I don't want him to know that I am one. I mean, I'd probably be fooling myself to believe people can't tell, and maybe I like living with my head in the sand, but I like to at least think I'm anonymous that way. I don't want to know that people know, because that really unnerves me.



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10 Apr 2012, 6:52 pm

Your Boss is anti-aspie. He thinks aspies are mentally ill.



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10 Apr 2012, 6:56 pm

What about a fallback position of . .

"Well, I am a nerd."

And then, in the unlikely position someone pressed the point and specifically asked if you were aspie, you might deflect with something like . .

"Oh, some of the best, most interesting people are aspies."



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10 Apr 2012, 11:17 pm

A nuerotypical will never admit that an aspie is a nerd.