Progressive Insurance---terrible workplace (news two weeks

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29 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm

You may have heard the news item from about two weeks ago about Progressive Insurance so aggressively refusing to pay a claim, that a policy holder's family did take great offense.

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Comedian Calls Out Progressive Insurance for Defending His Sister’s Killer; Progressive Responds in Heartless Robot Fashion

Louis Peitzman
Aug 13, 2012

http://gawker.com/5934436/comedian-call ... ot-fashion

“With a title as provocative as "My Sister Paid Progressive Insurance to Defend Her Killer In Court," comedian Matt Fisher's Tumblr post was bound to get attention.

“And that's a good thing: Fisher details the kind of bureaucratic insurance company nightmare that sounds too awful to be real. . . ”


Almost more interesting is a person's comment after the article on how Progressive Insurance is a truly awful place to work.

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Reply 15 days ago

“I worked for Progressive Insurance as a claims adjuster for a while. . . .

“ . . . Adjusters are hired straight out of college, in large part. They like to do this because they do want people who have very limited professional experience. It's mainly so you never talk back and feel so very lucky when they throw you a bone like free Flo swag! as a reward for pulling down 80-90 hour weeks. The work is relentless. You don't get days off, as you're expected to work from home the minute you get home from the office on weekends and holidays. Snow days? f**k that, they don't care if its too unsafe for other people to be out driving. You better come in or you'll be fired this minute. Quotas are set for you in terms of productivity goals that no human being can consistently make so when you fall behind, they get smug enjoyment from benevolently letting you keep your job today- but watch out, they're most likely to fire you tomorrow. Your claims load is relentless. It never ends. You cannot keep up with it and you are told, cajoled, and sometimes ORDERED to settle or close down claims even if you know that Progressive should do being doing at minimum something more for the policyholder or claimant (if our driver is at fault).

“My supervisor was a hateful woman, who regularly picked fights with people on the phone to reduce people to tears, belittled policyholders so viciously it was stomach churning, and denied claims when we were OBLIGATED to pay because she got off on being heinous she-bitch with a god-complex. If the person escalated the situation to fight back at their treatment, that was fine because another department would handle it. And by handle it, just put them through a hamster wheel of mind-numbing, machine-like, Groundhog Day antics to wear them out and run them off. Basically, middle management at its finest. . . ”


In a case like this, and even in a lot of lesser cases, I think it's entirely okay to tell a lie of self-defense.

'I have a family situation I have to take care of.'

'No, I can't tell you more.'

In a sense, this is the adult way of calling in sick, which also gives you a lot more flexibility.

But please be advised, this is kind of half quitting and sometimes might morph into full quitting.



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29 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm

And also the following egregious, and seemingly systematic and condoned, sexual harassment.

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1 of 12 replies @ProgressiveRefugee [click on 'and 12 more']

http://gawker.com/5934436/comedian-call ... ot-fashion

' . . . Sexual harassment was constant. Being a male, I was spared, but the females in my office (and the offices around our state) were treated like prey. Upper level management would trade pictures of new hires and have contests to see who could "nail" the woman first. If a particularly attractive woman was hired, the managers from around the state would suddenly have their meetings in that office and invite her to drink with them after. This was not an invitation or suggestion. A limo would be sent to pick her up. She would be given the time to be ready. I remember the shaken look on the face of one girl who was probably about 23 years old the day after that happened to her. We all knew, even though we pretended not to.

'Punishment was swift and severe. Fall out of favor and your workoad would increase from 50 hours a week to 70. And even then, the 70 hours would barely suffice. Then the suggestion would come that 70 hours is not bad if it's spread over 7 days. And these were not easy hours. Part of our job was to go to body shops and tell them how to properly repair a car, despite almost none of us having any relevant experience. Many body shops would flat-out refuse to do any work where Progressive was involved, and many had signs that advised their customers of that fact. . . '



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29 Aug 2012, 4:37 pm

Makes me want to switch my insurance away from Progressive, even if it COSTS me money.

If I were working there and I was ordered to close down a claim that they should pay, or if I observed sexual harassment anywhere NEAR described, I'd quit on the spot!! I would, dead serious, RATHER STARVE THAN WORK IN A PLACE LIKE THAT.

The moral math is: quit = maybe I find another job, maybe I starve. Stay on the job = likely doom multiple people to starve. And be complicit in what is morally like rape, even if it isn't legally rape.


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29 Aug 2012, 10:03 pm

I don't think this is just Progressive.

I had an All State adjuster refuse to pay my claim even after it was ruled that the woman who hit me was at fault. He told me that he didn't care if it was binding or not, he believed I was at fault and wasn't paying.

3 weeks later, the sherriff showed up at the woman who hit me, and mysteriously the case was reassigned to another adjuster and we settled shortly after.

It's all about money. Other people would have quit and ate the 600 dollar loss. It's a calculated risk. Not everyone will fight to the bitter end.



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29 Aug 2012, 10:54 pm

Flo: Don't look at me; I'm just an actress!



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30 Aug 2012, 6:22 pm

Comp_Geek_573 wrote:
Makes me want to switch my insurance away from Progressive, even if it COSTS me money.

If I were working there and I was ordered to close down a claim that they should pay, or if I observed sexual harassment anywhere NEAR described, I'd quit on the spot!! I would, dead serious, RATHER STARVE THAN WORK IN A PLACE LIKE THAT.

The moral math is: quit = maybe I find another job, maybe I starve. Stay on the job = likely doom multiple people to starve. And be complicit in what is morally like rape, even if it isn't legally rape.

Yes, sounds absolutely horrible. My guess is that one of the male supervisors got her drinking, maybe using the additional sales pitch that she 'shouldn't' turn down expense champagne. Maybe telling her she has a real future in the company (and weirdly, partially believing it as he told her). Pushing more drinks onto her, maybe telling the bartender to make them stronger. And then manuvering so that he gets her alone. Ugly, nasty business.

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Now, the case for continuing to work there is that a person can matter-of-factly tell co-workers, "This sh!t ain't cool." And the fact that it's understated, helps it to carry. "We need to warn new co-workers." That also carries. Essentially the person would be acting as an unofficial union organizer (knowing full well going to probably eventually be fired). And maybe ask a female employee if she doesn't think it might be a good idea for her warn new female employees. A male employee can maybe more indirectly warn, 'The supervisors are not mature people [obvious understatement]. They sometimes try to scam new female employees. I'm sorry, but they do.' [might be a better way]

And maybe a person and their co-workers could together take the approach, willing to work a little more than 40 hours, but not too much more. Again, co-workers essentially form unofficial union.

And use the excuse of 'family situation' to take as many off days as you need.

Problem is, not all the co-workers are going to be comfortable with the idea of eventually being fired.

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I think this is an important enough example of a truly awful workplace that I'm going to try and post the entire comment by this former employee.



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30 Aug 2012, 6:48 pm

The following is merely an anonymous comment by a former employee, but to me it has the ring of truth and is all too realistic an example of a truly awful workplace.

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FormerEE 1 of 12 replies @ProgressiveRefugee
Reply12 days ago

http://gawker.com/5934436/comedian-call ... ot-fashion ---> go to ProgressiveRef... and 12 more. Click the "and 12 more."

You're not alone. When I worked at Progressive, they tried to regulate our personal lives. We were forced to set up Facebook accounts for the sole purpose of our positive experiences possibly "going viral." For our quarterly and annual reviews, we had to provide documentation that we were promoting the company by posting positive comments on social media sites and forum postings (user names, dates, print screens). Family, friends and the rest of the world was supposed to see Progressive as the ultimate corporation.

They attempted to regulate our personal lives by telling us who we could associate with away from work. They monitored our Facebook accounts to make sure we had no interactions with former employees or with current employees who had fallen out of favor. Time away from work was to be spent with other employees.

The question "What are you doing tonight?" was not a casual conversation. The only acceptable answeres were "I'm working claims from home" or "A few of us are going out after work." What happened when a new claim was assigned to you at 9:00 PM? You had best have a very good explanation for why you didn't contact the people in the accident (the number one goal being to talk to people before they have a chance to talk to family or friends or get an attorney). We had printers in our company cars for the sole purpose of drawing up legal releases for people to sign on the spot.

Drug use was common, and seemingly encouraged. This may seem light a ridiculous charge, but it is true. Human resources would visit our branch offices and constantly remind us how lucky we are to work for such a "progressive" company and that we just needed to be sure our drug use did not interfere with work. It was just assumed we were on drugs. The sad thing is most of my co-workers were heavily medicated on anti-anxiety or anti-depression pills. Many also self-medicated. I was going that direction myself by the time I left.

Sexual harassment was constant. Being a male, I was spared, but the females in my office (and the offices around our state) were treated like prey. Upper level management would trade pictures of new hires and have contests to see who could "nail" the woman first. If a particularly attractive woman was hired, the managers from around the state would suddenly have their meetings in that office and invite her to drink with them after. This was not an invitation or suggestion. A limo would be sent to pick her up. She would be given the time to be ready. I remember the shaken look on the face of one girl who was probably about 23 years old the day after that happened to her. We all knew, even though we pretended not to.

Punishment was swift and severe. Fall out of favor and your workoad would increase from 50 hours a week to 70. And even then, the 70 hours would barely suffice. Then the suggestion would come that 70 hours is not bad if it's spread over 7 days. And these were not easy hours. Part of our job was to go to body shops and tell them how to properly repair a car, despite almost none of us having any relevant experience. Many body shops would flat-out refuse to do any work where Progressive was involved, and many had signs that advised their customers of that fact.

Make no mistake about it. This is an evil company. I have worked for 4 other companies. I've had ups and downs like anyone else. Nothing compared to this. If I was faced with the prospect of working another 3 years at that hell hole, I would shoot myself and consider myself lucky.



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31 Aug 2012, 11:49 am

In a perfect world, pressuring someone to drink alcohol or use another drug that lowers inhibitions for the purpose of gaining consent to sex would either be considered rape, or be a crime only one level below rape. I would like to see those described do at least 10 years in the slammer. It's amazing management gets away with this while in some states 18-year-olds having sex with their 15-year-old lovers (who look like adults) are stuck with mandatory prison time and made to register as sex offenders for life...

Well, I myself would not be comfortable with the idea of eventually being fired. Why? Because I could be branded with it for life. Especially a company like that, may well find a way to blab to other employers that I was fired, no matter how unfairly!


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31 Aug 2012, 1:33 pm

Progressive, AIG, Allstate, GEICO, etc exist solely for benefit of shareholders. Their goal is profit and it is burned into every slave who works there. Some of the slaves take it too seriously and screw over policyholders.
Look for insurance companies that pay dividends back to policyholders. They exist. Amica is one.