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23 Nov 2012, 3:15 pm

I was at the convenient store that I always go to and talk with the guy there.

And I never have a problem with them, ever. But their son hates me because I'm unemployed
and disabled. So I walked in and bought chocolate like I always do, and some candy, and he asks me what
I do for a job. I tell him I'm on disability, but I spend a lot of my time planning out business plans and cost structure plans
and losing my government money in the stock market, and buying things from his store etc.
And he loses it. He starts telling me how I'm basically the scum of the earth because I don't have a job, and there's
all these jobs from the gov't and in the oil and gas sector. And I told him that I don't want to work for less than I'm worth
in a circumstance that I find uncomfortable, and it was my political and economical opinion based on
mathematics that I believe there should be more opportunity in the job market in relation to private sector.
And he can't understand what I'm saying so another customer walks in and they both attack me.
They start telling me that I need to get a job, and that I need to get out of the store, and that I'm poor.
And that I leech off the gov't. But these people are suppose to be communist, or altruistic or... I don't know anymore..

If they were like me, they would offer me a job, or had told me where was hiring for a decent livable and affordable wage
in a circumstance that I would find challenging but well-worth the outcome and room for advancement.

But when I asked him that, he couldn't answer me. I asked him twice. And then he told me to go to the unemployment
insurance office. And then I said that those jobs were from government agencies, and that it's not the
gov'ts job to give me a job. But when I approach private business' they say that none of them are hiring, and
none of them want to hire me.

But people keep verbally abusing me every day, and only some agree with me. It's like Autism is the new Jewish.



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23 Nov 2012, 3:36 pm

I find that people are more sympathetic when the disabled person looks the part. By that, of course, I mean they're in a wheelchair, are blind, or only have one leg.



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23 Nov 2012, 4:10 pm

I think you handled an incredibly unfair and stressful situation extremely well...witty responses and all, so great job. I do agree with redrobin62, if you don't look seriously physically handicapped, a lot of (certain) people (usually from certain geographic locations) can't possibly comprehend the issue,. They think 'if it works, use it!' but because they're typically of sub-standard intellect, they can't perceive something beyond their visual acuity. If I got on disability, my Dad would be the same way; he's all about getting a job wherever you can find it, even if it's serving burgers at McDonald's with a four year degree.


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23 Nov 2012, 4:20 pm

I think it's fair to think an able bodied person should pursue work. Yet, I'm not sure what the economy is like in your location and for the jobs that are available, it's hard to say what your skills and abilities can perform.

Otherwise, there is no doubt the way they handled the subject was rude and unproductive. They could have offered a job or job hunting advice instead of shunning you.



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23 Nov 2012, 4:47 pm

I, and a lot of other people, was raised to believe that you do everything you can to provide for yourself before asking for help. If that means working a low paying, boring job while you look for a better one, that's what you gotta do. Only after you've done everything you can to avoid it, do you ask for help.

I'm guessing that's what set him off.



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23 Nov 2012, 6:01 pm

Why would you say that to a customer are they trying to drive away business. Why do we give jobs to those kind of people.



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23 Nov 2012, 6:40 pm

ianorlin wrote:
Why would you say that to a customer are they trying to drive away business. Why do we give jobs to those kind of people.


I ask myself that too.

The bake shop doesn't want me in it's store either. All I wanted to do was ask them what they felt about
fair-trade, yet they can't explain fair-trade to me. And when I asked them how they expected
to increase their net revenue, when they can't decide if they support fair-trade now, or later
in relation to their operational costs and transportation costs, they got really mad. They told me to
never come back, like I was some sort of witch. An openly communist bake shop on my block.
And another openly communist cafe which supports Fair-Trade, yet cannot explain what it is either
when I ask them. When I told the owner that I wanted to teach her about this discovery,
because "when you buy product from a foreign government which price-fix's the fair-trade product
in another country unto the consumer, that's a good thing right?" And she said "yes." And I
was really confused.

I just want to leave, y'know? It's like we're becoming increasingly stupid



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23 Nov 2012, 7:16 pm

You should start a blog instead of trying to argue the point with people that
a) are probably busy
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b) couldn't care less.

I've worked in a few shops and cafes (and even a bakery) and while a little cursory chit-chat is fine and even expected, beyond that it becomes a strain because you're trying to work and you can't stand around chatting all day.



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23 Nov 2012, 9:03 pm

You go to a store to buy something then leave - NOT DISCUSS POLITICS, etc.!

Pestering people until they lose their patience is going to get you in big trouble some day... it's inappropriate.

Sorry to come off heavy-handed but there's no other way to say it... believe it or not I have your best interests at heart here. ;)
You'll find yourself getting along with people better if you don't pester them with overly-strong opinions on things they have no interest in and/or opposite of their own opinions... really, all that does is "pick a fight".



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23 Nov 2012, 10:02 pm

BlueMax wrote:
You go to a store to buy something then leave - NOT DISCUSS POLITICS, etc.!

Pestering people until they lose their patience is going to get you in big trouble some day... it's inappropriate.

Sorry to come off heavy-handed but there's no other way to say it... believe it or not I have your best interests at heart here. ;)
You'll find yourself getting along with people better if you don't pester them with overly-strong opinions on things they have no interest in and/or opposite of their own opinions... really, all that does is "pick a fight".


I don't talk to them for the most part, one day I did a lot but we had a discusson that day. Today, I was just
filling my bag with candy.



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23 Nov 2012, 10:40 pm

I had a few instances where i was shopping minding my own business when the clerk then was asking about my employment during check-out. Instead of saying i was out of work thinking the same thing that happened to you could happen to me, i just said these were my off-hours (technically true as they are all off hours).

And yes, their ignorance was strong. They still think you can walk up to the desk, fill out a job application and get immediately hired. :roll:

I even applied for petroleum jobs as they said and i didn't even get a response back. I neither have the outgoing personality they demand nor the full list of minute technical requirements they want and i was under the wrong perception that the petroleum industry would be a lot more willing to train someone with the necessary skills but not experience in the industry. :wall:



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23 Nov 2012, 10:52 pm

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and losing my government money in the stock market

Can you tell me more about that?



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24 Nov 2012, 12:27 am

WhiteWidow wrote:
It's like Autism is the new Jewish.

Yeah, thanks. Thanks a lot. [/Autistic Jew]



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24 Nov 2012, 5:38 am

Never tell people you are on disability unless you are looking for a job. Then they would see you are not abusing it and you are trying to work. I also agree with what the thewhitrbbit said.


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24 Nov 2012, 2:16 pm

WhiteWidow wrote:
I was at the convenient store that I always go to and talk with the guy there.

Does he usually seem receptive to chatting or is he busy a lot? Lots of people hang out and talk at stores and thats fine, except when things are busy.

And I never have a problem with them, ever. But their son hates me because I'm unemployed
and disabled.

Was it the son that was working that day, and is it the son you talk to a lot? Also how do you know why he hates you?

So I walked in and bought chocolate like I always do, and some candy, and he asks me what
I do for a job. I tell him I'm on disability, but I spend a lot of my time planning out business plans and cost structure plans
and losing my government money in the stock market, and buying things from his store etc.
And he loses it. He starts telling me how I'm basically the scum of the earth because I don't have a job, and there's
all these jobs from the gov't and in the oil and gas sector. And I told him that I don't want to work for less than I'm worth
in a circumstance that I find uncomfortable, and it was my political and economical opinion based on
mathematics that I believe there should be more opportunity in the job market in relation to private sector.

So you basically just told him that you would rather stay on disability and buy candy with it than to work at a job like his or any job you felt was beneath you. While that may not be what you meant, thats certainly how that came across. It came across like you refuse to inconvenience yourself for something that you feel isn't good enough and that you are entirely too good to work at McDonalds and struggle more financially even though you could, so you would rather take the governments money.

And he can't understand what I'm saying so another customer walks in and they both attack me.
They start telling me that I need to get a job, and that I need to get out of the store, and that I'm poor.
And that I leech off the gov't. But these people are suppose to be communist, or altruistic or... I don't know anymore..

It comes across like "I'm not going to work for minimum wage, I'd much rather take government money until I find a job that pays me what I think I'm worth" which honestly doesn't happen all that much.

If they were like me, they would offer me a job,

Which would have been beneath you because it's at a convenience store and you would have turned it down.

or had told me where was hiring for a decent livable and affordable wage
in a circumstance that I would find challenging but well-worth the outcome and room for advancement.

What have you done to make yourself qualified for those jobs? Have you gone to college? Are you in some sort of program to learn the skills you need for those jobs? Do you apply for them? Are you willing to take a lower paying job at first and work your way up like most people have to do?

But when I asked him that, he couldn't answer me. I asked him twice. And then he told me to go to the unemployment
insurance office. And then I said that those jobs were from government agencies, and that it's not the
gov'ts job to give me a job.

But it's the governments job to give you candy money because you can't find a job yourself that isn't beneath you???

But when I approach private business' they say that none of them are hiring, and
none of them want to hire me.

Have you asked yourself why they don't want to hire you?

But people keep verbally abusing me every day, and only some agree with me. It's like Autism is the new Jewish.


Yeah well, you probably shouldn't go out in your Hitler Youth shirt then.


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24 Nov 2012, 2:45 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Never tell people you are on disability unless you are looking for a job. Then they would see you are not abusing it and you are trying to work. I also agree with what the thewhitrbbit said.


Yep... imagine you're slaving away at a minimum-wage job you loathe with a passion and in walks some guy who essentially says (to the clerk's ears), "I don't work - I get free money to stay home and buy your overpriced candy."

Small wonder some people get upset when seeing things from that point of view... doubly-so when that guy comes in and starts telling the clerk he's "wrong" or "stupid" somehow... like for not believing his unemployed customer's political beliefs when he's just trying to get through another horrible, horrible day at work.