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05 Dec 2012, 5:43 pm

Why do co-workers feel the need to say something to me when we pass each other in the hall? I think a smile and nod is more than sufficient but some people can't just stop there and have to comment on inane stuff or feign exhaustion or work fatigue during what is a reasonably paced time of year around here. I just walked past a colleague who complimented me on the shirt I am wearing. The shirt is over 10 years old, this is not the first time I have worn it to work in a long shot, and she had to follow up with "I just love stripes!" I had to look down at my shirt to figure out what she was talking about.

Other times people will make a comment on what I am preparing for my lunch and start gushing about how healthy it looks and then start lambasting themselves for not eating as healthy. Why do people do this? Why can't I just assemble my lunch in peace? Or people will point out the obvious "Oh look at that rain!", "Oooh, you're reading a book!" Is it impossible for people to just be quiet?



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05 Dec 2012, 5:48 pm

Because if you don't, most folks will find the work environment significantly more hostile--it will be much harder to do anything that requires the cooperation of others.



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05 Dec 2012, 6:21 pm

Do people take is as an insult if I don't exchange banter? I smile and nod but trying to come up with the appropriate reply to someone pointing out it is raining (when we are both outside in the rain) ties me up in knots. What do they expect me to say?



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05 Dec 2012, 6:38 pm

Dear AlphaSister,

I believe these insensitive jerks are people making feeble attempts to be nice to you. You should wear a sign warning them that you will not tolerate their small talk and their puny existence. Find or create some crazy looking piece of costume jewelry and tell anyone who asks that it's a miniature Tesla Death Ray which is set to automatically destroy anyone who emits anything sounding remotely like small talk.Better still, pitch a fit and throw your lunch at the wall when they pay you a compliment about it.

I think it's GREAT to keep increasing the perception in various workplaces that people with ASD are intolerant, humorless and unkind. Keep up the good work! Soon NO ONE will want to hire us except as Resident Bummers.



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05 Dec 2012, 6:39 pm

I don't understand why people always have to talk to be comfortable. It seem like a lot of people find silence offensive or something.



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05 Dec 2012, 6:44 pm

AlphaSister wrote:
Do people take is as an insult if I don't exchange banter? I smile and nod but trying to come up with the appropriate reply to someone pointing out it is raining (when we are both outside in the rain) ties me up in knots. What do they expect me to say?


Tell them "the last time it rained like this, it turned to a FROG SNOW that paralyzed the city for THREE DAYS." You need to learn how about HUMOR. Invent a strange concept and flip out your NT colleagues.



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05 Dec 2012, 6:53 pm

EMTkid wrote:
I don't understand why people always have to talk to be comfortable. It seem like a lot of people find silence offensive or something.


I don't understand it, either. I suggest we all go out and purchase horns like Harpo Marx used to carry and pretend we are mute. :)

My honest opinion is: we are SURROUNDED by noise. TV, Radio, Chit-Chat, Passing cars. Humans have become comfortable with noise and feel a bit lost without noise. It is as though, when confronted with silence, they've wandered off the path of what they perceive as the civilized world. Maybe get something that makes noises like The Great Outdoors and keep it hidden in your pocket: crickets chirping, coyotes howling, owls hooting... THAT might get the point across.



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05 Dec 2012, 6:58 pm

BTDT wrote:
Because if you don't, most folks will find the work environment significantly more hostile--it will be much harder to do anything that requires the cooperation of others.


Oddly enough, I've taken it as a compliment when people found a book I was reading of interest. Not once did I consider holding a GRUDGE against them for noticing and commenting. I've had comments come from total strangers, no less -- and felt quite happy about it. I must be very weird, indeed.



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05 Dec 2012, 8:18 pm

Small talk is the most annoying thing in the world. I mainly stay away from it as autistics tend to be not as inclined to make it. But when people do ask me annoying questions like "how are you" or "isn't the weather nice today" (even when it blatantly isn't!), I usually just ignore and turn away. It makes me very uncomfortable as I'd rather talk about specific, concrete things that have meaning with relation to my current situation and state of mind. Sometimes I actually answer some of these questions with lots of detail, but then it's pointless because people tend to provide very superficial, scripted feedback which does not help me at all. Instead, it feels like an intrusion upon my personal space. When I was working this summer, people thought that it was "wrong" that I was refusing to make small talk, even though I worked quickly and productively.

Small talk is actually the reason why I often procrastinate on getting my hair cut or getting some other service, like dentist or doctor. I wish people could just take me in, only talk to convey important information, and just do their job. I still haven't found entirely autistic-friendly services in some of these domains.


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06 Dec 2012, 10:26 am

And it's even worse in a small town. I moved here with my husband who has lived here all his life, and everyone knows him. So therefore everyone thinks they know me and therefore have an obligation to ask how I'm doing, how the boys are, how the ambulance business is going (even thought they don't even know my son's name and have no clue about the ambulance business) and I have a hard time not answering questions because I have this irrational fear that hidden somewhere in the stupid questions is something that really matters.



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07 Dec 2012, 1:22 am

People always ask me, "how's it going?" I always answer literally.

The other day, our main point of contact for the customer we are working for walked by while I was down on the floor with my hands contorted deep in a piece of equipment, installing a part which can only be removed or inserted from the most awkward location.

Him: Hey, how's it going?
Me: sh***y! My hand's stuck.

I am thankful that he has a sense of humor! :lol:



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07 Dec 2012, 11:48 am

I don't think Aspeis are the only ones with a problem with small talk. I think even some NT's are not to fond of small talk. Why do you think people drink many times? :)



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07 Dec 2012, 1:15 pm

UnseenSkye wrote:
Dear AlphaSister,

I believe these insensitive jerks are people making feeble attempts to be nice to you. You should wear a sign warning them that you will not tolerate their small talk and their puny existence. Find or create some crazy looking piece of costume jewelry and tell anyone who asks that it's a miniature Tesla Death Ray which is set to automatically destroy anyone who emits anything sounding remotely like small talk.Better still, pitch a fit and throw your lunch at the wall when they pay you a compliment about it.

I think it's GREAT to keep increasing the perception in various workplaces that people with ASD are intolerant, humorless and unkind. Keep up the good work! Soon NO ONE will want to hire us except as Resident Bummers.


I am painfully aware of how horrible and weird and antisocial I can come across to other people, one of the reasons small talk is so difficult for me. I will assure you though that I am not making people with Aspergers look bad as 1. I have not been officially diagnosed and 2. While not known for my warm fuzziness I am known for getting s**t done.



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07 Dec 2012, 1:18 pm

EMTkid wrote:
I don't understand why people always have to talk to be comfortable. It seem like a lot of people find silence offensive or something.


YES! This runs rampant in my step-mom's family and it has led to her asking some questions that offended my brother-in-law to such a degree that he doesn't want her coming around my sister and niece without him there :(



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07 Dec 2012, 1:22 pm

MathGirl wrote:
Small talk is actually the reason why I often procrastinate on getting my hair cut or getting some other service, like dentist or doctor. I wish people could just take me in, only talk to convey important information, and just do their job. I still haven't found entirely autistic-friendly services in some of these domains.


Me too! I make a point of being polite but not consescending to people in service jobs ( I will say hello, nod and smile but WILL NOT address them by name simply because it is on their nametag as I found that highly inappropriate when I worked in service jobs) because they are often treated as invisible but keeping up a long conversation about nothing in particular can be exhausting. Probably isn't a picnic for them either.



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07 Dec 2012, 1:24 pm

EMTkid wrote:
And it's even worse in a small town. I moved here with my husband who has lived here all his life, and everyone knows him. So therefore everyone thinks they know me and therefore have an obligation to ask how I'm doing, how the boys are, how the ambulance business is going (even thought they don't even know my son's name and have no clue about the ambulance business) and I have a hard time not answering questions because I have this irrational fear that hidden somewhere in the stupid questions is something that really matters.


I am so sorry, that has got to be a constant source of stress. And especially running your own business on top of it. That is why I am so grateful to live in a large city, humanity teems around me but I can participate passively.