Coping with not getting promotion

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grouseice79
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23 Jul 2013, 3:18 pm

I am wondering if anyone else is in my situation and how you deal with it.

Gist of story: I'm in my mid-30s, been employed by the same very large public sector organisation for ten years. Joined at graduate entry level after a very long year post-uni job searching. I generally find the work interesting (I'm an analyst) and I have been able to work well with most of my colleagues in the different posts I have held.

There is a pretty well-defined progression path in which you are usually considered qualified for/expected to apply for promotion to the next level after 2-4 years. I have tried and failed to achieve this numerous times (I'm actually starting to lose count now). Twice I have started and then given up halfway through filling out the application form. I have passed the form-filling stage a few times only to fail at interview then next time I don't even make the form sift. This happened to me very recently shortly after being given a very positive annual review in which it was specifically mentioned I was capable of working at the promoted level. I am at a total loss as to where I am going wrong. Each time there seems to be something different lacking which prevents me from advancement and I have practically given up trying to figure out what it is. There seems to be a set of magic words or phrases (jargon) which you are required to use in applications. I dislike this sort of terminology, in fact I relish ensuring my written and spoken communication is done in plain English as far as I can manage. Perhaps this attitude is coming through my application even though I grit my teeth and try and use the "magic words" as best as I can.

I am actually quite content with the level of job I currently have and the salary is perfectly adequate to support me. I am not a high-flyer or whizz-kid with lofty ambitions but my concern is that I will damage my long-term career prospects if I spend much longer working at a level that is really meant for someone relatively recently out of university. I simply cannot see myself being allowed to do this for the remaining 30 years of my working life, or even the next 5 years. I know some people decide to look for a job somewhere else when they feel they are not getting advancement but I cannot see myself doing that either. I found it difficult enough getting this job in the first place.

I would be interested to know if someone else has had this sort of experience and their thoughts on it.



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23 Jul 2013, 5:15 pm

Most of the time, companies have a "management track." In exchange for more responsibilities you get more money. What may not be obvious is that your performance becomes a factor of what your employees do, not what you do! You may need to demonstrate more leadership potential to move up.

Luckily, where I work, we have a non-leadership track just for folks like me! I've gotten several pay raises with no increase in actual management responsibility. A tangible benefit besides the pay is the extra vacation time--about a month a year.



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23 Jul 2013, 5:27 pm

I had a similar problem, though at the time had not been diagnosed with ASD; if I had I would have gone to the HR department and spoken to them about it, and sought support in attaining promotion; not any special treatment, just help making it a more even playing field compared to the majority who were able to cope with interviews, application writing, and the process, as well as better at being team players, which in that environment tends to be more important than being competent in your job.
As I didn't have a diagnosis, I spent 6 years in a government department, changed my branch or section about 5 times, never had the support or assistance others would expect from my direct supervisors or manager, and eventually threw in the towel after my father in law died; I had a pretty big meltdown, and it was pretty much quit or keep extending leave without pay, which did not provide me the closure I felt I needed.

So, if you have a diagnosis, and you are comfortable sticking your neck out, I'd recommend you stroll down to HR, discuss your condition and the impact it is having on your career, and ask if they can help you find a solution.
Usually employers like yours, especially if you've come in on a grad program, are happy to support and nurture their staff, especially if they can see they have potential.
If you're not willing to do that, or haven't been diagnosed, it may be time to evaluate yourself and your role, and see what you can do to change the situation, again a good idea to go to HR, usually they'd rather help get someone back on track than have to recruit a new staff member when someone leaves.



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24 Jul 2013, 8:15 am

grouseice79 wrote:
There seems to be a set of magic words or phrases (jargon) which you are required to use in applications. I dislike this sort of terminology, in fact I relish ensuring my written and spoken communication is done in plain English as far as I can manage. Perhaps this attitude is coming through my application even though I grit my teeth and try and use the "magic words" as best as I can.


Are you talking about "political correctness?"

I ask because I can sympathize with the "brain drain" caused by being compelled to use political correctness, inclusive language, etc. rather than straightforward and honest communication.

You either can't "fake it" or are not doing it well. It is possible that if they know you really aren't into the management-track "group think" you will NEVER be promoted. You might consider putting out feelers for similar jobs with places/organizations that want what you can do and won't impose such mental weights on you as a condition for moving forward in your career.



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30 Jul 2013, 4:05 pm

BTDT wrote:

Luckily, where I work, we have a non-leadership track just for folks like me! I've gotten several pay raises with no increase in actual management responsibility. A tangible benefit besides the pay is the extra vacation time--about a month a year.


That sounds ideal for me! My post is at the lowest level where staff management is possible but I've managed to avoid that so far. I know it's not something I'd succeed at.
I'm happy enough providing informal supervision or guidance but all the stuff to do with performance management (especially if someone is under-performing for whatever reason) fills me with dread.



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30 Jul 2013, 4:09 pm

I'd hate to get promoted.


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30 Jul 2013, 4:18 pm

benh72 wrote:
I had a similar problem, though at the time had not been diagnosed with ASD; if I had I would have gone to the HR department and spoken to them about it, and sought support in attaining promotion; not any special treatment, just help making it a more even playing field compared to the majority who were able to cope with interviews, application writing, and the process, as well as better at being team players, which in that environment tends to be more important than being competent in your job.
As I didn't have a diagnosis, I spent 6 years in a government department, changed my branch or section about 5 times, never had the support or assistance others would expect from my direct supervisors or manager, and eventually threw in the towel after my father in law died; I had a pretty big meltdown, and it was pretty much quit or keep extending leave without pay, which did not provide me the closure I felt I needed.

So, if you have a diagnosis, and you are comfortable sticking your neck out, I'd recommend you stroll down to HR, discuss your condition and the impact it is having on your career, and ask if they can help you find a solution.
Usually employers like yours, especially if you've come in on a grad program, are happy to support and nurture their staff, especially if they can see they have potential.
If you're not willing to do that, or haven't been diagnosed, it may be time to evaluate yourself and your role, and see what you can do to change the situation, again a good idea to go to HR, usually they'd rather help get someone back on track than have to recruit a new staff member when someone leaves.


I'm on my 4th post in ten years and having failed to get promotion again will be looking at a 5th at the same level in the next few months. I don't feel like I'm going to meltdown but I don't want to just drift along either.

What I'm determined to do is not get slotted into a post because that's the only one going. That seems to have happened a couple of times and which probably has not helped me develop my skills enough - I was perhaps a bit too meek and mild and accepting at those times. I have not been diagnosed although I did talk to my doctor (general practitioner) about this a few years ago but it never came to anything.

I do at least feel supported by the senior staff in looking to develop myself and I have been told many times my role is valued so that's something to hang on to.

Thanks for your comments - it's good to know one is not alone.



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30 Jul 2013, 4:27 pm

Would it be possible to go to your supervisor and say what you said here--that you are happy with your job as is, but that you don't want not moving up to hurt you further down the road? It seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me, but it might be good to have your statement (with your supervisor's response) somewhere in your file, in case something does come up later.



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30 Jul 2013, 4:37 pm

zer0netgain wrote:

Are you talking about "political correctness?"

I ask because I can sympathize with the "brain drain" caused by being compelled to use political correctness, inclusive language, etc. rather than straightforward and honest communication.

You either can't "fake it" or are not doing it well. It is possible that if they know you really aren't into the management-track "group think" you will NEVER be promoted. You might consider putting out feelers for similar jobs with places/organizations that want what you can do and won't impose such mental weights on you as a condition for moving forward in your career.


The language associated with "political correctness" does come into it but mainly it's the buzzword nonsense that seems to have been sent up so many times I'm amazed anyone still uses it. In my view it indicates someone who is trying to show off or make themselves sound sophisticated. I can remember my first few weeks in the job and my boss used the word "interface" instead of "meet" and he was only talking to me, not giving a presentation. My own personal bugbear is "stakeholder". I always think of Peter Cushing in an old horror film when that word comes up.

Nope, I can't fake, I'm a hopeless actor. I've tried and it looks worse than me just being myself so I don't bother anymore. I have considered looking for a different line of work but in the same organisation. If things haven't changed in a year or so I think I'll look into that seriously.

Perhaps the Plain English Campaign has a position going?



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01 Aug 2013, 3:58 am

Have you ever heard of the Peter Principle? Your current situation might be a blessing in disguise. I would rather remain competent in a current position than get promoted to a higher (more powerful and better-paying) postion full of responsibilities that I can't juggle well.



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01 Aug 2013, 12:40 pm

Are you taking advantage of educational opportunities provided by your company? Management typically involves putting in time after hours--around here, they aren't even on the clock and don't get overtime for working past the normal hours when they need to meet deadlines for reports and such. You aren't going to look like a serious candidate unless you do your job and take seminars or classes designed to make you management material.

Being a manager might be a great way to help other Aspies--you could put together an extremely productive team to show what we can do!



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02 Aug 2013, 4:46 pm

icyfire4w5 wrote:
Have you ever heard of the Peter Principle? Your current situation might be a blessing in disguise. I would rather remain competent in a current position than get promoted to a higher (more powerful and better-paying) postion full of responsibilities that I can't juggle well.


Yes indeed. I would be happy to remain at my level of responsibility for the foreseeable future - I don't wish additional stress/responsibility that a higher post may mean and I'm fortunate enough to get by perfectly well on my current salary. But I won't allow myself to believe my employer will let me just jog along like that for the next 30 years even if I'm performing well. Funnily enough in the time I've been in the job there has been a lot more "mid level" posts created as it seems quite a few people would like to move up a bit but don't want to leap to managing an entire team. Unfortunately I can't even seem to get off the bottom rung!



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02 Aug 2013, 5:01 pm

BTDT wrote:
Are you taking advantage of educational opportunities provided by your company? Management typically involves putting in time after hours--around here, they aren't even on the clock and don't get overtime for working past the normal hours when they need to meet deadlines for reports and such. You aren't going to look like a serious candidate unless you do your job and take seminars or classes designed to make you management material.

Being a manager might be a great way to help other Aspies--you could put together an extremely productive team to show what we can do!


That is a fair point and I have gone on several courses (in work time and self-study) where I feel it will develop my skills. In fact over the past few years there's been a requirement to do a certain amount of development each year. I am wary of talking a course which sounds interesting and will make up my required development time but won't necessarily be directly applicable to my day job. I've done courses like that before and it seems such a waste when nothing of what you've learned gets used so the knowledge withers over time.

I think if I were to be facing management responsibility I'd immediately look for appropriate training as that is directly applicable and will be used.

We're all flexitime here so you're expected to work as required to get your tasks done on time. You don't get kudos for doing a lot of long days but you would eventually be pulled up if you were consistently working shorter days and not meeting deadlines as a result. That's never happened to me because I keep an eye on my daily hours.

I've never met any other AS folk at work - in fact hardly any at all anywhere - but it would be interesting to know how someone coped with a management role. I don't know how I'd be a good manager but I think at least I know how to avoid being a bad one. I've only ever had one of those and it was the most unpleasant time of my career thus far.



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05 Aug 2013, 2:22 pm

grouseice79 wrote:

That is a fair point and I have gone on several courses (in work time and self-study) where I feel it will develop my skills. In fact over the past few years there's been a requirement to do a certain amount of development each year. I am wary of talking a course which sounds interesting and will make up my required development time but won't necessarily be directly applicable to my day job. I've done courses like that before and it seems such a waste when nothing of what you've learned gets used so the knowledge withers over time.

I think if I were to be facing management responsibility I'd immediately look for appropriate training as that is directly applicable and will be used.


You are expected to dress and train for the position you want, not the position you have.

The tough part of being an actual manager is that a lot of stuff in the real world doesn't make sense to the Aspie way of thinking. For instance, your opinion becomes more valued as you do things that show you are one of them, such as watch the local sports teams regularly!