No wonder people have problems obtaining jobs

Page 1 of 1 [ 12 posts ] 

cubedemon6073
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Nov 2008
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,958

13 Nov 2013, 8:50 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DVoL-1gQgU[/youtube]



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,867
Location: Stendec

13 Nov 2013, 8:56 am

People have trouble obtaining jobs mainly because they are either: (1) not qualified for the available jobs; (2) they are qualified for the available jobs, but so are the thousands of others that have also applied for those jobs; (3) they're too picky about what jobs they'll apply for; (4) they never apply for the jobs that they do qualify for; or (5) they fail the interview process and/or background checks.


_________________
 
The previous signature line has been cancelled.


cubedemon6073
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Nov 2008
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,958

13 Nov 2013, 10:38 am

Quote:
People have trouble obtaining jobs mainly because they are either: (1) not qualified for the available jobs;

(2) they are qualified for the available jobs, but so are the thousands of others that have also applied for those jobs; (3) they're too picky about what jobs they'll apply for; (4) they never apply for the jobs that they do qualify for; or (5) they fail the interview process and/or background checks.


This leads me to scrutinize this further

a. Why would anyone apply to a job they're not qualified for?
b. Well employers keep complaining that they can't seem to right candidate. Why is this?
c. Under today's conditions that exist in America today would you recommend anyone to immigrate here? Yes or No. Why or Why Not?



Sono
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 11 Nov 2013
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 58

13 Nov 2013, 12:53 pm

Quote:
a. Why would anyone apply to a job they're not qualified for?
b. Well employers keep complaining that they can't seem to right candidate. Why is this?
c. Under today's conditions that exist in America today would you recommend anyone to immigrate here? Yes or No. Why or Why Not?


Well, it is true that our job market is rather terrible at the moment. With the economy in the state it is we don't seem to have enough jobs to go around. While I am employed, the majority of my friends that are college graduates are not. I attribute my own employment to the fact that I have a wide variety of skills and interview exceedingly well. I am not the norm. The norm is much more that people get jobs through social or familial connections.

People apply for jobs they aren't qualified for because they would once have been considered qualified for them if the market wasn't the way it is. People who have mediocre grades/experience level aren't generally able to get jobs they would once have been able to get. Many people also graduate college with the expectation that they will immediately be able to start a good career and so they apply only for those jobs. You are not able to do that out of college anymore unless you are exceptional. You have to build up and get work experience. I have done this, which may also be a reason I've been more successful at getting jobs than most of my peers. My generation of graduates has been forced to lower its expectations but that doesn't mean we can't work our way up and still live well. The problem is that many of my peers aren't willing to do this/ want to have only a job they like when their priority should be to get work experience and recommendations.

Employers can't always seem to get the right candidate but it's for a variety of reasons. Sometimes the employer is suffering financially and can't pay enough to attract a good candidate. Other times they make a mistake in hiring the wrong person: i.e. they employ someone flaky, unable to do the job, etc. My workplace has had problems with that in the past. We're still looking for someone for a position that was vacated over a year ago. We've hired a couple of people but one was thrown in jail and hasn't gotten out yet and the other is in school and keeps changing his schedule. It's bad luck, and also because people lie on their applications about what they're like and what they're able to do.

Immigration/not should probably depend on what kind of job you're looking to find. Do some research into the job market on that particular kind of job to get an idea of how competitive it is. The other thing to bear in mind is that it's insanely hard for anyone to immigrate to the US without having first secured a job and jumped through a lot of hoops.



cubedemon6073
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Nov 2008
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,958

13 Nov 2013, 1:13 pm

Sono wrote:
Quote:
a. Why would anyone apply to a job they're not qualified for?
b. Well employers keep complaining that they can't seem to right candidate. Why is this?
c. Under today's conditions that exist in America today would you recommend anyone to immigrate here? Yes or No. Why or Why Not?


Quote:
Immigration/not should probably depend on what kind of job you're looking to find. Do some research into the job market on that particular kind of job to get an idea of how competitive it is. The other thing to bear in mind is that it's insanely hard for anyone to immigrate to the US without having first secured a job and jumped through a lot of hoops.


It is not what I asked. What I asked is under the current conditions of America would you recommend any immigrant to come to America at all? I am not just talking about economics or the job situation. I am talking culturally as well.

I did do the research for two years and unfortunately I could not determine the workplace hierarchy so therefore could not determine where the bottom is. I can't start on the bottom if one doesn't know the hierarchy and research seems to display this. Eventually, I had to claim SSDI and I was put on it 3 weeks after I applied.



Robdemanc
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 May 2010
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,872
Location: England

13 Nov 2013, 3:36 pm

So what is this video saying? That in America companies actively try to disqualify US based workers so they can bring in someone from abroad?

I have a feeling this happens in England too. There seems much effort made to ignore UK based people and try to get immigrants.



pezar
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Apr 2008
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,432

13 Nov 2013, 6:44 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
So what is this video saying? That in America companies actively try to disqualify US based workers so they can bring in someone from abroad?

I have a feeling this happens in England too. There seems much effort made to ignore UK based people and try to get immigrants.


Research the "H1B visa" program. Employers can hire somebody from India or China using an H1B, and basically the visa is a ball and chain connecting the worker to the company for a certain length of time, usually 3 or 6 years. The employee cannot leave or ask for higher pay, if they do their visa is yanked and they get put on the next plane back home. An American has recourse of the company treats them like dirt, a H1B visa holder does not. Also, if you bring in somebody from Asia, they think that America is paradise, and are willing to grovel to keep their job because they think they've died and gone to heaven (figuratively). It seems that the Gilded Age is back, and employers have the "right" to abuse and mistreat their workers, and they will not hire anybody who stands up for himself. If that means having 5 employees in Sunnyvale and 500 in Bangalore, so be it.



GregCav
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2013
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Posts: 679
Location: Australia

13 Nov 2013, 7:05 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
a. Why would anyone apply to a job they're not qualified for?
b. Well employers keep complaining that they can't seem to right candidate. Why is this?
c. Under today's conditions that exist in America today would you recommend anyone to immigrate here? Yes or No. Why or Why Not?


A. because their current pay isn't sufficient, or their wife pressures them into "moving up the corporate ladder", or they think they are better than they really are.

B. Have you ever seen a job advert for a tennager, must have collage degree in "whatever" and 3 years experence?
Obviously no such person can exist.

C. They immigrate because from the outside, the old movie stigma is believed. Of course the reality on the ground is far different.



Nick9075
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 19 Sep 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 134
Location: USA

13 Nov 2013, 11:56 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Quote:
People have trouble obtaining jobs mainly because they are either: (1) not qualified for the available jobs;

(2) they are qualified for the available jobs, but so are the thousands of others that have also applied for those jobs; (3) they're too picky about what jobs they'll apply for; (4) they never apply for the jobs that they do qualify for; or (5) they fail the interview process and/or background checks.


This leads me to scrutinize this further

a. Why would anyone apply to a job they're not qualified for?
b. Well employers keep complaining that they can't seem to right candidate. Why is this?
c. Under today's conditions that exist in America today would you recommend anyone to immigrate here? Yes or No. Why or Why Not?


Or they may have a poor work history or too work employment gaps, too many jobs that lasted a short period of time or worse may be unemployed for "too long" (which is really anything over 6 months).. If it has been years since your last job ended on your Resume you may be locked out of all but the most non skilled positions that don't require a Resume to apply,, Even if you have a good 'reason' such as being in school full time when you are older than typical college age or traveling it is still treated as suspect.

No one is going to 'qualify' 100% for any job other than their current job. They will likely be under or over qualified based on objective criteria.



Robdemanc
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 May 2010
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,872
Location: England

14 Nov 2013, 4:47 am

pezar wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
So what is this video saying? That in America companies actively try to disqualify US based workers so they can bring in someone from abroad?

I have a feeling this happens in England too. There seems much effort made to ignore UK based people and try to get immigrants.


Research the "H1B visa" program. Employers can hire somebody from India or China using an H1B, and basically the visa is a ball and chain connecting the worker to the company for a certain length of time, usually 3 or 6 years. The employee cannot leave or ask for higher pay, if they do their visa is yanked and they get put on the next plane back home. An American has recourse of the company treats them like dirt, a H1B visa holder does not. Also, if you bring in somebody from Asia, they think that America is paradise, and are willing to grovel to keep their job because they think they've died and gone to heaven (figuratively). It seems that the Gilded Age is back, and employers have the "right" to abuse and mistreat their workers, and they will not hire anybody who stands up for himself. If that means having 5 employees in Sunnyvale and 500 in Bangalore, so be it.


Thanks. I read about it and I think there must be an equivalent system in the UK. Employers keep complaining about a lack of IT skills but I have over 10 years experience and a degree in computer science and I have not been able to find a job in recent years! I don't think there is a shortage at all.



cubedemon6073
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Nov 2008
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,958

14 Nov 2013, 6:32 am

Robdemanc wrote:
pezar wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
So what is this video saying? That in America companies actively try to disqualify US based workers so they can bring in someone from abroad?

I have a feeling this happens in England too. There seems much effort made to ignore UK based people and try to get immigrants.


Research the "H1B visa" program. Employers can hire somebody from India or China using an H1B, and basically the visa is a ball and chain connecting the worker to the company for a certain length of time, usually 3 or 6 years. The employee cannot leave or ask for higher pay, if they do their visa is yanked and they get put on the next plane back home. An American has recourse of the company treats them like dirt, a H1B visa holder does not. Also, if you bring in somebody from Asia, they think that America is paradise, and are willing to grovel to keep their job because they think they've died and gone to heaven (figuratively). It seems that the Gilded Age is back, and employers have the "right" to abuse and mistreat their workers, and they will not hire anybody who stands up for himself. If that means having 5 employees in Sunnyvale and 500 in Bangalore, so be it.


Thanks. I read about it and I think there must be an equivalent system in the UK. Employers keep complaining about a lack of IT skills but I have over 10 years experience and a degree in computer science and I have not been able to find a job in recent years! I don't think there is a shortage at all.


exactly



dobyfm
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 291

15 Nov 2013, 8:31 am

This is a sad economy. I have applied to hundred of places and no one has called me back for an interview. It especially makes me upset when I go into stores and encounter lazy or rude workers because I know these people got the job instead of me. I am twenty one years old and have never worked a job. I do volunteer though. I am worried about what will happen to me after I graduate from college. My parents haven't told me this flat out, but I know they plan on marrying me off to some guy.