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Aspie should not work
Yes 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
No 78%  78%  [ 14 ]
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02 May 2014, 4:47 am

This is a simple poll. I feel Aspie's shouldnt work
They are bullied, insulted and humiliated

Being a invisible illness they suffer silently
Unlike other handicaps Aspie's arent included in workforce
they are discriminated

Its just my personal opinion


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02 May 2014, 4:59 am

I choose to work on a number of public domain coding projects, it's quite likely you used one of them to post this; not only do I sense a lot of pressure to remain outside of any corporate structure in my programming, I think I actually dislike money being involved in science and technology in any sense. I choose to do things for free, for the entire planet or for those who might freely distribute my knowledge, because technology isn't even required for nuclear reactors to function!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nu ... on_reactor


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02 May 2014, 7:31 am

We really need a set of instructions for polls. Making effective surveys takes years of study, but at least people could eliminate double negatives. Next time, try "I agree" and "I disagree."

Aspies can work, and it can present great opportunities for growth. Also, autists have a lot to offer the world, and monetizing those ideas spreads them more effectively than rattling on about them or posting them on internet forums.

The wrong job, or one wrong move, can cause people a lot of stress, but so can sitting at home bored. People should have the right to choose how they live. I actually support a guaranteed minimum income, and our technological development has already made that possible for people in many countries.



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02 May 2014, 10:32 am

√ Pro choice. For those who are capable (mentally and physically) why not?


cberg wrote:
because technology isn't even required for nuclear reactors to function!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nu ... on_reactor

Did you hear about the nuclear plant in south cali that was installed backwards (idiots - I mean really? Of all things to install backwards. Screw up of all time) Anyway.. they said on the news that they had to re-write the software (reverse it or something) so that the plant would function.



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02 May 2014, 11:47 am

That's a tough question. I know because of problems growing up, I couldn't count on family to take care of me and I didn't fit in socially, so, work was a way for me to fit in and be appreciated. I never would have met my husband or closest friends if I had not been doing the work I do.
Some of it I do for free, to share knowledge and help people, but, I have to take care of myself, so finally settled in work where I could be more 'me' (so, no more cashiering and being told to smile all the time, no training random people who dislike when I get agitated with having to repeat myself etc).
I like the routine of getting up at the same time during the week... I feel a bit restless on the weekends, like, it's not organized enough for me, I want a schedule, you know?

But, I am not walking in the shoes of others whose triggers are different than mine, just relaying my personal experiences.

I was bullied through school until I was in high school, but, have not faced too much of it at work (I had a few try it at my last job, but, they were reacting to them throwing me under the bus, and me refuting them with my records of everything proving them liable for whatever went wrong).



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02 May 2014, 11:56 am

Well I can't pick either, because I think it depends on the individual....some aspies are fine working, and some have found jobs where they are accepted and not bullied or harassed. But there are plenty of people on the spectrum who aren't able to work and some who are who face bullying and harassment on the job, so yeah I think it can vary quite a bit. I personally don't currently work and am on disability but its not entirely due to the autism.


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02 May 2014, 12:00 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
We really need a set of instructions for polls. Making effective surveys takes years of study, but at least people could eliminate double negatives. Next time, try "I agree" and "I disagree."


Keep in mind there are people from various countries on this site and English is not everyone's first language...I am thinking this is the case here.


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02 May 2014, 12:54 pm

That's a fair point. No offense intended, namaste. I just hope that by putting that idea out there, I can raise awareness of the issue generally.



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02 May 2014, 1:02 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Keep in mind there are people from various countries on this site and English is not everyone's first language...I am thinking this is the case here.

yes poor english
and lot of negative thinking
but suggestion was good of writing agree or disagree


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02 May 2014, 2:02 pm

Many Aspies HAVE to work. SSI, in the US, is pretty much an unattainable goal for one who is diagnosed with what the government would consider a relatively minor disorder.

Moreover, it is GOOD for Aspies to work. Many special interests are expensive to maintain.

Moreover, there is this "pride in oneself" concept floating around.



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02 May 2014, 2:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Many Aspies HAVE to work. SSI, in the US, is pretty much an unattainable goal for one who is diagnosed with what the government would consider a relatively minor disorder.

Moreover, it is GOOD for Aspies to work. Many special interests are expensive to maintain.

Moreover, there is this "pride in oneself" concept floating around.


Actually it is possible to get on SSI with just that diagnoses, provided the individual cannot function well enough for employment.


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02 May 2014, 2:45 pm

I can't really say yes or no. It depends on the person and what kinds of jobs are available to them.

I can't imagine myself ever working but if I could do something from home at my own pace when I feel like doing it (like making stuff to sell) and had little to no interaction with people I could probably do that.



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02 May 2014, 10:38 pm

I agree with the notion that it's primarily a case-by-case basis, however I do believe that every aspie should TRY working. I was diagnosed at at the age of 6 and my parents were on board with my condition. Even though at the time, I was furious with my parents, they forced me into a job at age 14. Looking back, if they had not made that decision I would not be who I am today.

Of all places to start out, my first job was at an amusement park. In the open. With the public. No escaping it. Within a few years I adapted and improved across the board. I was basically non-verbal when I started, I've learned to communicate efficiently, handle the public. I look people in the eye when speaking to them. I've worked through my depression. Worked out of laziness. I have a car, a house, bills, responsibilities. NONE of this would have been possible without that experience. I genuinely feel that each aspie should try working for 10 years. If you cannot find and hold a job in that time, and REALLY stick with it, then perhaps you shouldn't be working. Aspergers is a disorder, but not one that cannot be overcome. Get out there and do it! :D

P.S. I too misunderstood the poll.

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03 May 2014, 12:56 am

I have tried working in all sorts of places but i want to share my recent experience i worked for a NGO for 3 years. I started with the same attitude that i want to get out of depression, i want to have a schedule, i want to learn to communicate, i want to learn interpersonal skills yes the same attitude
I was working in slum areas, going to those places walking through overflowing sewage seepage water, stinking roads, the students were backanswering, using bad foul language, but still i wanted to hold a job and kept going.
My colleagues used to bully me, they used to dump their work on me, i used to do it quietly, they used to exploit me but i let it happen, i was working sincerely

And instead of getting any award i was humiliated during appraisal i was told i cant smile, i am poor in social skills, my colleagues are doing better job, i was told that my students havent progressed, my colleagues who actually dont even teach in classroom have given better results whereas i have done a terrible job

thats not all i started shedding tears but she kept on insulting me saying nasty things.

If i was working for a MNC with 1000crore turnover i can understand but this was a NGO
working for underprivilaged children in slum area

So i cant last there .............i wont last anywhere.


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03 May 2014, 7:11 am

That's a good question and bearing in mind that Aspergersyndrome people have only limited amount of job ideas and there is a thing about bullying and harassment of AS people and certain jobs are pout of the question due to the social factors and the dyspraxia that accompanies AS. This would be essentially manual work which needs a decent cerebellum for good hand eye co ordination as well as the social and emotional intelligence to deal with workplace banter (from the point of view of allistics). There are jobs like this which are unsuitable for Asperger syndrome people such as warehouse work such as using a forklift truck or stacking pallets or working on a building site. Some jobs sucn as ones involving interaction with people are in which a person may actually be doing two jobs for the price of one and having the usual workplace demands that come with it that exceed those put on allistic people and disabled people. Often a good job for an Asperger syndrome person is one that he or she can use his or her specialist interest but often there is a rigorous interview process and it is easy for AS people to be stuck in the interview stage.

I have applied for hundreds of job and out of those I has about 50 interviews and only one of these were successful and that was a job which was advertised as a lab assistant's job which only turned out to be filling bottles with lubrication for ultrasound scans the boss was a total w*ker as well. That only lasted three months I could not contunue my college work. I had another round of interviews of which all were unsuccessful and only gained active temporal lobe epileptic seizures as a result. I done agency work whicch was loading lorries (trucks) with sweets (candy) and during lunch the people were just sitting round drinking coffee and the only reading material was porno magazines. Also this is where bullying and harassment was carried out and I in the end just walked out of that and caught the train home.

A year later I was put onto sickness benefit after six months transferred to incapacity benefit and that was in 1987 while the piece of agency work was in August or September 1986. a year later I was working in a work placement at an organisation known by the acronym RITO which provided work for people with physical disabilities non allistic and people with mental health problems. There I was emotionally abused by the allistic members of staff there and taken for granted for 6 years which escallated by post traumatic stress disorder. By 1991 I had developed anhedonia due to years of being taken for granted. :arrow:



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03 May 2014, 7:23 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Many Aspies HAVE to work. SSI, in the US, is pretty much an unattainable goal for one who is diagnosed with what the government would consider a relatively minor disorder.

Moreover, it is GOOD for Aspies to work. Many special interests are expensive to maintain.

Moreover, there is this "pride in oneself" concept floating around.


Actually it is possible to get on SSI with just that diagnoses, provided the individual cannot function well enough for employment.


FWIW...

My husband functions more or less socially at a 12 year old level per his therapist. He was denied SSDI (with an attorney) all the way up to the appeals level.

The judge said Autism was not a big enough reason to be too disabled to work. Especially since he has a university degree, and wasn't diagnosed until age 48.

May people with Autism have better luck IF you are diagnosed before 18, and have that huge paper trail from your school years.

At least in my area, I've know 4 people with HF/Aspergers who were denied SSDI. All were 30+ years old.