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01 Dec 2015, 5:34 pm

Why do some people who are not working have the sheer nerve to criticise others who also are unemployed for not having a job??????????????



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01 Dec 2015, 5:59 pm

Why anyone should ever criticize anyone else for it is beyond me. Especially online, where all we get is a very oversimplified version of the person's life.


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01 Dec 2015, 6:08 pm

I personally have adopted the attitude that the government owes me a roof over my head because of my aspergers. I don't feel like I really have any obligation towards society to work or contribute to it since it does very little to really help or give support to adults on the spectrum such as myself.

But hey that's just my opinion.



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01 Dec 2015, 6:52 pm

It's still better for one's self-esteem, in general, to earn one's own money, to rely on one's self (at least to a certain extent).



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01 Dec 2015, 7:03 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's still better for one's self-esteem, in general, to earn one's own money, to rely on one's self (at least to a certain extent).


Meh :? when I had a job earning money gave me no boosted confidence



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01 Dec 2015, 7:13 pm

If you stay at a job more than a year, you could get promotions.

It's true, though. Those people who criticize you for not having a job while not having a job themselves are hypocrites.



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01 Dec 2015, 7:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you stay at a job more than a year, you could get promotions.

It's true, though. Those people who criticize you for not having a job while not having a job themselves are hypocrites.



True I was only at my last from September-April so not a full year.

I made it clear to my uncle after finishing my last job that I had no intention to get a job and he started saying to his some of his builder friends "my news a right as*hole he does not work"



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01 Dec 2015, 7:37 pm

I don't think anyone has the right to criticise someone for not having a job.

Modern economies are predicated on a 7-8% unemployment rate in order to keep inflation down. In many cases, if unemployment drops much below that the government or central bank will raise interest rates (which makes borrowing more expensive, which means businesses invest less, which means they hire fewer people) in order to reduce inflation.

In my country there are around 7 people on social security for unemployment for every job vacancy - and this does not include people looking for second jobs to make ends meet, people on zero-hour contracts, and so on.

Criticising the unemployed for not having a job is classic victim-blaming. The real people we need to criticise are the 1%.

Where you have groups, like Aspies, who are discriminated against either deliberately or subconsciously, it's even more unreasonable.

The problem is the governments and their tame media need scapegoats, and I think it's incumbent upon all of us to stand up to this, not join in.


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01 Dec 2015, 8:09 pm

I don't know you get called lazy when you don't have a job

I kind of don't care anymore the earth is dying

And once you die nothing matters anyways :D

I imagine the earth ending...all of the little problems that you have disapear

I mean nothing truly matters when you view life that way...

It's hard to get a job shoot...people are like you should get a part time job in the mean time until you can get a "real one."

I'm like I what y do you think I've been doing all summer?
Almost a year jeez.
Some people been out longer than meh though. :wink:



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02 Dec 2015, 2:30 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you stay at a job more than a year, you could get promotions.

Yes, but generally that doesn't happen. Many employers think that with an employee there won't be improvement, since Asperger's is a lifelong condition. It is a lifelong condition, yes, but you will still be able to learn new things, and improve your skills and then be a better employee.

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It's true, though. Those people who criticize you for not having a job while not having a job themselves are hypocrites.

True. Why do they criticize you then?



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02 Dec 2015, 11:29 am

hmk66 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
If you stay at a job more than a year, you could get promotions.

Yes, but generally that doesn't happen. Many employers think that with an employee there won't be improvement, since Asperger's is a lifelong condition. It is a lifelong condition, yes, but you will still be able to learn new things, and improve your skills and then be a better employee.

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It's true, though. Those people who criticize you for not having a job while not having a job themselves are hypocrites.

True. Why do they criticize you then?




They might criticise me because they can tell when I'm lying. I have lied about being in employment so others will not give me a hard time.



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02 Dec 2015, 11:52 am

It sounds like your family speaks a little bluntly, but you kind of do that too. Of course you'll butt heads with them from time to time. If someone like your uncle criticizes you in a way that seems rude, you could either point out on the spot that he's being rude, or you could say something rude back.

As to unemployment, I think part of that is your age. I have not finished looking into this, but I am suspecting that it takes aspies a little longer to feel comfortable in the job market. Part of it is finding your own ways to cope, which is unique to each person. The other part is, frankly, pretending to be neurotypical at least at a glance. This is important mostly to keep people from hassling you. This doesn't mean that you have to keep being autistic a secret, it's just being able to throw on a mask if you need to.

I think that finding a job will not be so difficult for you in a few more years.



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30 Dec 2015, 9:20 pm

"Why do some people who are not working have the sheer nerve to criticise others who also are unemployed for not having a job??????????????"


What you are talking about is a somewhat murky issue. What I mean by that is the person may be unemployed for a good reason or they may not be. Lack of a good education, social environment and culture all play a role. But IMO people no matter what their situation is will always try to establish their dominance in almost any situation. It is in our genes to do it. By criticizing someone else the individual doing the criticizing elevated their status in the group, even if their position is made up in their own head.



Just my two cents.



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30 Dec 2015, 9:29 pm

Using this calculator to correct for inflation, I make 50 % more than when I started 3 decades ago.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl? ... year2=2015



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31 Dec 2015, 9:01 am

Jamesy wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
If you stay at a job more than a year, you could get promotions.

It's true, though. Those people who criticize you for not having a job while not having a job themselves are hypocrites.



True I was only at my last from September-April so not a full year.

I made it clear to my uncle after finishing my last job that I had no intention to get a job and he started saying to his some of his builder friends "my news a right as*hole he does not work"


"I made it clear ... I had no intention to get a job"


Think about that statement. Therein lies your answer. It's one thing to not have a job but keep trying to find one. It's another thing entirely to not seek employment at all.

I would much rather live in a society that values personal industriousness than one that gives a free pass to the willfully unemployed.



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31 Dec 2015, 4:39 pm

Brother I feel ya'. I hate the society that does little to help me just as much as you do. Now you have AS and you have a right to be angry. I'm 36 years old myself and you and I could probably sit down and trade horror stories back and forth.

Here's the problem with staying on benefits.......You can stay on it and stay on it for a good looooooong time. But while you are staying on benefits things are going to change........People like me are going to keep fighting for our right to live, work and love just like the NT. We will achieve victory. After victory has been achieved somewhere somebody in the UK benefits office is going to look through all the names of people still on benefits. Your name will come up and the reason why you are on benefits will come up as well. This person will look at the reason why and say to themselves ok we need to reduce government spending so I have to cut him off. By that time you could very well be an old man in his 60's.


Your education will count for nothing, you will have no job skills, and you will effectively have no money.

Now I'm aware of the fact that the United States and the United Kingdom are different in many ways. But I also know that in many ways they are similar. I was in the U.S. military and I was stationed at RAF Lakenheath for a year. I traveled all over the British aisles. There are many people in the United States and the U.K. who are pissed about the fact that their tax dollars are going to support people who don't work. Now you won't feel that anger for a good long while, but eventually, people will begin to harass you over the fact that you are unemployed.




Now......whether you realize it or not, a storm is brewing. The next phase in the Autism Revolution has arrived. The developed world now recognizes the need for those on the spectrum to have supports for their adult years. All you have to do is start to call your local Autism Society support groups, tell them who you are tell them you need to set up something with someone who will help you out in the long term to (A) find and maintain appropriate employment (B) Become a loved member of whatever community you choose. Start looking right now. There is SOMEBODY out there in your area who can help you live a better life.


You are right the system does little but that does not mean that you should do likewise. You have to work and I mean WORK for what is yours.