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19 Oct 2015, 2:02 pm

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34543514

"Reports of 1,800 redundancies are wide of the mark and workers will be paid, according to BBC sources.

The UK steel's sector is under extreme pressure, with Tata Steel expected to announce major job losses on Tuesday and the UK's second-largest steelmaker, SSI, going into liquidation."

TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: "One in six UK steelworkers face losing their jobs. At this rate there won't be a British steel industry in a year's time. Ministers cannot afford to stand on the side lines and watch this crisis unfold. They must step in now with a rescue package."


The end is definitely nigh, and ministers have actually stood by and done nothing.


You are now looking at a 5,000 job loss and the backbone of our workers loss.
Their lives are nothing without this industry and without steel there's no more pillar for the communities.
Thanks to another setback on a spillage that's beyond clean up.
Lets just hope the compensation is adequate and they can be found jobs even if it is outside of their comfort zone.

So long Tartar, Redcar and Caparo for doing our country proud.

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20 Oct 2015, 6:47 am

Whats worst is that it will be replaced by the likes of Chinese steel.
Steel isn't just steel, British steel was about the best in the world, things made out of junk steel from China will not last long and will break.



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20 Oct 2015, 11:23 am

Nambo wrote:
Whats worst is that it will be replaced by the likes of Chinese steel.
Steel isn't just steel, British steel was about the best in the world, things made out of junk steel from China will not last long and will break.

We have the same problem in the U.S. with low grade imports. Asian steel is usually low cost and extremely low quality. They are flooding our markets because in this day and age the beancounters run everything and all they look at is the bottom line, not the finished product. An engineer or a welder undoubtedly would prefer better quality materials, but they have to work with what is given them, and so the goods we buy nowadays are substandard.


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20 Oct 2015, 3:11 pm

Nambo wrote:
Steel isn't just steel, British steel was about the best in the world, things made out of junk steel from China will not last long and will break.


American imports rely on Chinese exports as well and seem to be making a fairer trade doing it because with America being such a huge and looming nation for growth, someone has to be the loser.
Unfortunately, it’s the U.K, yet again, which gets it in the neck when labour exploitation and overproduction walk hand in hand.

The Steel industry in the U.K was the most vibrant and wealthiest(thanks to its workers) industries around.
With low paid skills and larger manufacturing in China being the key source of concern for many people in this industry being made redundant, the hope that they will find ‘other’ same paid skilled jobs will be slim.

The keen fact of the matter is that Britain’s manufacturing labels and exports to China and other well off countries are being given a harsher treatment compared to the working conditions you see here, but whereas they train them badly over there, or not at all with no health and safety regulations, people in the U.K are made to endure conditions and sanctions imposed on them even when they know their jobs off by heart and have been doing it for decades of their life, supporting their families in the meantime.

The government show no mercy, and neither does China’s president. Bad timing for a state visit to renew financial agreements by the way, just before a whole load of Steel workers are handed their final pay cheques just before Christmas. You can’t get any fairer than that.



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20 Oct 2015, 3:24 pm

Perhaps a British artist needs to release a UK-appropriate version of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs


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20 Oct 2015, 4:08 pm



Maybe China needs to adopt the American training manual first before trading can begin.



Lasting tribute to British Steel and a plea to cross channel investors, to re invest in U.K Steel industries



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02 Nov 2015, 12:49 am

glebel wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Whats worst is that it will be replaced by the likes of Chinese steel.
Steel isn't just steel, British steel was about the best in the world, things made out of junk steel from China will not last long and will break.

We have the same problem in the U.S. with low grade imports. Asian steel is usually low cost and extremely low quality. They are flooding our markets because in this day and age the beancounters run everything and all they look at is the bottom line, not the finished product. An engineer or a welder undoubtedly would prefer better quality materials, but they have to work with what is given them, and so the goods we buy nowadays are substandard.


Big evil corporate bean counter here. Actually we don't have it in for engineers, we love our engineers, and that's why we pay them six figure salaries to figure out how to make the wheels turn without... wheels. Fun and jokes aside, there is almost always a trade-off between quality and price, and if enough consumers want premium building materials and are willing to pay premium prices, then a product can be differentiated to market to that segment. Sometimes a nation can lose an industry because the lowest relevant range for an entrant's target market isn't associated with any practical plan for fixed costs.



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02 Nov 2015, 12:55 am

"Powerless" to help British steelworkers, but will do everything to help those bankers who sunk our economy in the first place.

Our government is s**t.

But really, you get what you paid for. Sadly, many industries (their CEOs) are obsessed with maximizing profit. So they go for the cheapest materials ever. Does not matter who makes them. Remember the substandard body armour debacle in the US? Those were made in the US. By the lowest bidder.



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02 Nov 2015, 10:41 pm

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Those were made in the US. By the lowest bidder.


You get what you pay for. As for federal contracts, there are a few different types. I would dig around to find out what type of bid the body armor contract was, but I'd rather sleep early. Suffice to say, it most likely wasn't the lowest bidder (but was very likely the most politically connected).



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02 Nov 2015, 10:49 pm

carthago wrote:
You get what you pay for. As for federal contracts, there are a few different types. I would dig around to find out what type of bid the body armor contract was, but I'd rather sleep early. Suffice to say, it most likely wasn't the lowest bidder (but was very likely the most politically connected).

The Interceptor vests?

Anyways, politics is always a factor. Many politicians these days are basically the lackeys of major corporations, hence some jobs and industries are untouchable, no matter how unpopular or useless they are to the general public...



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29 Jan 2016, 9:13 pm

carthago wrote:

Big evil corporate bean counter here. Fun and jokes aside, there is almost always a trade-off between quality and price, and if enough consumers want premium building materials and are willing to pay premium prices, then a product can be differentiated to market to that segment. Sometimes a nation can lose an industry because the lowest relevant range for an entrant's target market isn't associated with any practical plan for fixed costs.


Actually, a nation loses its industry when Giants from the U.S and big slave bosses from China come from both the rigging of oil plants and metal and propose an industrial revolution processed outside of their budget for quite some time. The last of Tata steel is going, and although jobs appeared safe they're going to find themselves burning scrap metal for some time to come just to get their gas meters flowing again.