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And your answer is textbook liberal hogwash. No mention was made of ethnicity, only of "minority" status. That status is conferred by the state and gives the particular group preferential treatment before the law. Human nature being what it is means people with this status will abuse it. To be honest, I avoid politically-favoured minorities, and wouldn't live amongst them if I could help it, because I know that sooner or later something I said, or did, would be twisted to make it look like I was engaging in one of those ridiculous political "hate" crimes.

You avoid black people because they might think you're a racist?

I call BS on that one.

and I call BS on that comment. I know of a woman who was just about as white as me who told her workmates in all seriousness that they'd committed genocide against her "people" because of what their ancestors did. She was also lazy and expected other people to do most of her work.

The lady who told me said it was the most ridiculous thing they'd ever heard. She is sure her ancestors never did anything like that and even if they did, she couldn't be blamed. She thinks the bad treatment of aborigines is a blot on Aussie history but the whites got massacred too. If she thought she was bad off, she should have gone to USA and talked to one of the Indians on a reservation.

I suggest you pay more attention during your English language classes, in future. Anyway, I'll explain further, being the generous type of chap I am:

In the UK, people of northern European appearance are second class citizens. Those of Asian or African appearance have priority before the law. If they're Muslim, too, then they are practically untouchable, unless they're buying fertiliser in bulk. If one of these people accuse me of something, then add a racist spin to it, then I'd be serving time. You've only got to look at one the wrong way and it's considered a race-hate crime. Why the bloody hell would I want to live around people who can do that to me? I live in a predominantly white area, and I hope it stays that way. Not because I'm racist but because I value my liberty, and also, as an aside, because I have no wish to get a knife stuck in me because I'm white.

This is really the point where I should ignore you. If you cannot accept that I both understand and disagree with your argument, why should I waste time talking to you?



Ok, so even though british whites own most of the property in britain, hold most of the high paying jobs, and command more authority in government and business than any other group, they are still "second class citizens." Ok, gotcha : )

Because you're spoiling for a fight (figuratively speaking) and I'm giving you the opportunity to indulge yourself.

Your reply to my first post in this thread clearly indicated that you either had a problem with comprehension, or were deliberately giving the impression that was the case in order to provoke a response. The use of the word "BS" and the emoticon suggested it was the latter, hence my sarcastic reply.

As for you disagreeing with me, I'll not be seeking psychological counselling. However, it would be jolly nice if you could articulate an intelligent response in your next post.

I'm not holding my breath...

Having got the sarcasm out of my system, I'll tackle this:

Within the context I've indicated, white people are. Of course, those in high-paying jobs, and our political masters do not have to live in the ethnically "enriched" ghettos that ordinary white working-class folk have to. Indeed, the area I live in is relatively pricey these days because so many white people, who can afford it, are moving here.

But going back to the minorities getting preferential treatment before the law, that is the case because certain politicians get to make political capital from "fighting racism". Although minorities are obviously in the minority, they are distributed unevenly geographically, and in certain areas their votes are very important due to the way our voting system is organised. Furthermore, there are lots of middle-class guardian-reading liberals who've never experienced living in some multi-cultural pit, whom fervently believe all these immigrants are being discriminated against, and that white people are the root of all evil (although they are predominantly white themselves). This means we've had more laws enacted that deal with "racism", and that political pressure is put on all tiers of our legal sytem to investigate, charge and prosecute for racism -- real or imagined. We have the crazy situation where if somebody breaks into your house the police will hardly be interested, but if a kid is accused of using non-PC language toward a minority individual then they'll be arrested without question.

The point I was making in my other posts was that, human nature being what it is, minorities abuse this position. They know that if they want to settle a score, or get away with a crime, they've just got to play the race card and they'll immediately be treated by the authorities as the victim.

The thing you didn't appear to understand is that I don't think they(the minorities) will believe I'm racist, but that they know that they can accuse me of being racist and that they'll be believed by the police.

I hope I'm not racist and I do my best to get along with other people but it does irk me when political correctness runs rampant and people accused of "hate crimes" all over the place. One of the worst "hate crimes" I ever heard of was the 9/11 attacks but some people persist in minimising that because most of the people who died were white.

What context have you indicated? You did not say "certain economically disadvantage whites are second class citizens." You said, and I quote, "In the UK, people of northern European appearance are second class citizens. " Already you are backing off from your original position.





So whites are second class citizens, except when they're not?


Please address the issue of wealth distribution. It seems to me that "second class citizens" by definition are underrepresented in positions of wealth and power. If you can show me data proving that this is true of british whites, I may take your assertion that whites are second class citizens more seriously.



This is quite an alarming scenario. Any evidence to back it up? And I don't mean a bunch of cobbled-together anecdotes. Show me the stats, bub

Within the context of my other posts. Also, with regard to the fact this is an internet message board, not a learned journal, and so posts may contain a smidgen of a rhetorical twist in order to elicit the required response.


I never mentioned wealth, except to illustrate how those with money choose not to live in areas overpopulated by immigrants. That applies to wealthy individuals of all ethnicities, btw. Indeed, many wealthy Asians prefer to send their kids to predominantly-white private schools. The second class status was with reference to the position of white citizens before the law when a member of a minority is involved.


I'm glad you agree it's alarming. As for stats, like I said, this is a discussion on an internet message board, and so it really is not realistic of you to ask me to produce them in order to back-up what I've offered, in good faith, to the discussion.

However, links follow that illustrate certain points. Firstly, from the Timesonline:

For source click here

My highlighting of certain words. The chap in question was found guilty although there was no victim, and only one witness who wasn't sure what she witnessed. Like I said, the police, CPS and courts have political pressure put on them to charge and prosecute any kind of race crime where a minority is an aggrieved party. If a minority individual steals something from your car, though, they're not interested. In fact to all intents and purposes the British legal system currently condones minor theft. Even stealing from shops is now not considered to be serious. But don't get caught saying the wrong thing to an immigrant, because you'll be up before the magistrate before you know what's hit you!

Anyway, this next one goes away a little from what I was discussing, but still illustrates how minorities get preferential treatment. It's legal to do this, and government are the worst offenders:

For source click here

A perfect example of reverse discrimination. Discrimination sucks whichever direction it goes.

Show me.





When a "smidgen of twist" changes the meaning of a statement it is not trivial. Apparently when you wrote that whites in britain are second class citizens, you did not in fact mean that whites in britain are second class citizens. You meant something else, nowhere indicated, and what you posted was merely a "rhetorical twist."







Wealth disparities are clearly implied in the term "second class citizen." In any case, you have not addressed the issue of power. How is it that second class citizens control a disproportionate share of the wealth and power in a society?




an extremely narrow definition of the term, contrary to established usage, that you have dreamed up in order to use the inflammatory term "second class citizen." Perhaps this is yet another "rhetorical twist?"




Don't be silly. The scenario is alarming. That doesn't mean it's real.





So i should believe you without evidence?




And then you post a series of cobbled together anecdotes, as i anticipated in my previous post. These links illustrate nothing, save that you are cherry picking your data, and you believe what you wish to be true.

Beautifulspam, do you even live in the UK?

Oh god, the illogic. Here goes.

No, I don't even live in the UK. I haven't even lived in America for most of my adult life. But those guardian reading liberals Ascan talks about do live in england, and if he is to be believed, they see things differently to the way he sees them. What are we to conclude from this? That although both groups live in the UK, at least one of them must be wrong, because -(P * -P).

Now if they cannot both be right, then at least one group of people living in the UK is deluded about this issue. It would therefore appear that living in the UK doesn't necessarily give one special insight into the issue, since as we have established at least one group living in the UK is wrong.

Further, common sense tells us that people take their own biases into a situation, and see what they want or expect to see, and even then what they see of the country they live in is usually confined to a few blocks of the few cities where they have lived and the few people they have met, and their views are further shaped by what periodicals thy read. I've seen liberal friends return from Iraq claiming authority from first hand experience that the war is wrong and must stop, and I've seen conservative hawks come back from iraq claiming authority from first hand experience for precisely the opposite conclusion.

Finally, on the principle that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the burden falls to Ascan to prove his point, not to me to disprove it.

Maybe it's a little of both? I don't see it as some Black/White (excuse the pun) thing. I don't doubt Visible minorites have some barriers to life in the UK, but on the other hand, I think we tend to gloss over real world issues in the name of "Diversity" and "Tolerance". From what I have read, crime has skyrocketed in the UK since the 1960s. And wouldn't you know that that's exactly the decade large scale immigration began? Hmmmmmmm.....


99% of ethnic minorites are wonderful people. At the same time, 99% of white people are not racist. All-in-all, I think both counts (One that says diversity is destroying the UK, and the other that preserving cultural ways of life is inheriently racist) have a bit of hyperbole to them.

I agree: it is very rare for anyone or any group to be either totally correct or totally incorrect in their opinions.