Any accountants here?
I know I won't be pumicing copper sheets for the rest of my life. Its basically been my after-high-school job until I decide what I want to pursue, should I go to college. I'm beginning to veer towards accounting. But I want to know more. Pardon my vagueness. I'll think of more to post later.
engineers think 1+1=2
Accountants know 1+1=what ever you want
I studied 2 yrs engineering then dropped out. A few yrs later went back to study.
I am B.Ec., CPA, Post Grad Dip Applied Finance & Investment (S.I.A.)
Used to work in Public Accounting (tax returns mostly for family companies) then corporate finance which was taken over by GE Capital and now in an investment co that has little people contact and lets me waste time here on WP.
Accounting is OK. I find, talking about facts and figures ok and there are always papers or ppt slide shows to talk to and point at and look at so you don't get noticed not making much eye contact. At least I don't think it gets noticed
I get by
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Do you guys know if an accountant, non-CPA, can move up with only an associate's degree and an extra semester of accounting and business courses after getting the Associate's, or do I need to obtain a bachelor's degree in order to move up in the company? I'm not fretting about this, but since the thread title is "Any accountants here?," I figured, why not ask these guys the same questions I have been dumping on my parents, and see what they have to say?
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I'm not an accountant, but have a brother who was. Unfortunately, I get to hear a lot about it (boring!) and just asked him your question. He said a bachelor's degree is the very least you need. When he was doing actual accounting work, he and his coworkers all had masters degrees in accounting plus their CPA.
That's audit work, though. I know that accounting technicians or accounts payable types can get away with an associates degree. But as far as an accountant? Sorry, need that degree.
I'm not an accountant, but have a brother who was. Unfortunately, I get to hear a lot about it (boring!) and just asked him your question. He said a bachelor's degree is the very least you need. When he was doing actual accounting work, he and his coworkers all had masters degrees in accounting plus their CPA.
That's audit work, though. I know that accounting technicians or accounts payable types can get away with an associates degree. But as far as an accountant? Sorry, need that degree.
Okay, but there's a problem here. My parents and state rehab counselor keep telling me to get my aSSOCIATE DEGREE IN INTERDISCIPLINARY STUDIES, and then take additional accounting and business courses AT my community college. My mom thinks that going to a state college to go for a bachelor's degree might be too much for me to handle, as I can get overwhelmed easily.
Are they trying to help me here, or do they want me to be poor? Because if I get stuck in entry-level and low pay for the rest of my life, then I will find it very difficult to get along with my parents.
It's interesting to see the accounting/engineering connection.
I've been involved in engineering for most of my life, in power plant operations, and as a quality inspector for a company that makes relief valves for nuclear power plants. It isn't exactly what I wanted, so I went to school for accounting, and I'll have a B.S. in Accounting after this semester.
It's great, you need to categorize things, and develop a system for keeping track of everything. It's not just all numbers, although it can be if you want. You need to develop an understanding of the entire business process, or you won't be able to put the numbers in context. Bookkeeping is mostly numbers, but you don't need a degree for that. (I also love how bookkeeping has three consecutive repeated letters, but my word obsession is a subject for a different topic )
Another cool thing about accounting is that accountants are stereotypically a little different, so you don't have to worry about AS affecting your career. You're expected to be strange. And if you're not, then it's even better. Accounting gives me opportunities to interact with people, and the bottom line is your competance, so if you're good, you're all set. Management or sales involve a lot more interpersonal skills, so that's trickier.
I think accounting is one of the classic fields for people with AS to thrive, similar to engineering, programming, or archetecture. (Well, I hope so anyway!)
And stereokid:
I don't know about your company, if it's a large company with a big accounting department, then it will be tougher to advance with an associates, since there's likely to be many others with higher degrees. If it's a smaller company, you'll probably have a better chance. Either way it can be done, if you're a hard worker and attentive to the company, you'll go further. There are limits though, as you can only advance so far until you need a CPA to get promoted. But that's not everybody's goal, so don't sweat it if you don't want to.
Good luck!
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I've been involved in engineering for most of my life, in power plant operations, and as a quality inspector for a company that makes relief valves for nuclear power plants. It isn't exactly what I wanted, so I went to school for accounting, and I'll have a B.S. in Accounting after this semester.
It's great, you need to categorize things, and develop a system for keeping track of everything. It's not just all numbers, although it can be if you want. You need to develop an understanding of the entire business process, or you won't be able to put the numbers in context. Bookkeeping is mostly numbers, but you don't need a degree for that. (I also love how bookkeeping has three consecutive repeated letters, but my word obsession is a subject for a different topic )
Another cool thing about accounting is that accountants are stereotypically a little different, so you don't have to worry about AS affecting your career. You're expected to be strange. And if you're not, then it's even better. Accounting gives me opportunities to interact with people, and the bottom line is your competance, so if you're good, you're all set. Management or sales involve a lot more interpersonal skills, so that's trickier.
I think accounting is one of the classic fields for people with AS to thrive, similar to engineering, programming, or archetecture. (Well, I hope so anyway!)
And stereokid:
I don't know about your company, if it's a large company with a big accounting department, then it will be tougher to advance with an associates, since there's likely to be many others with higher degrees. If it's a smaller company, you'll probably have a better chance. Either way it can be done, if you're a hard worker and attentive to the company, you'll go further. There are limits though, as you can only advance so far until you need a CPA to get promoted. But that's not everybody's goal, so don't sweat it if you don't want to.
Good luck!
I don't work at any corporate firm yet. I'm about to get my associate's degree after next semester, and then, I might spend a year or a half of a year taking additional accounting and business courses at my local community college, since my state rehab center's career counselor told me that doing that should make me pretty marketable to potential employers.
My mom also did say that if I need a bachelor's degree to advance, then I can always get it later, but how do you find the time to take classes at a state college while working full time? And how long will it take me to get a bachelor's degree if I only take one or two courses at a time?
And I am not going to become a CPA. I just want to be a regular accountant like my Dad is.
I don't work at any corporate firm yet. I'm about to get my associate's degree after next semester, and then, I might spend a year or a half of a year taking additional accounting and business courses at my local community college, since my state rehab center's career counselor told me that doing that should make me pretty marketable to potential employers.
My mom also did say that if I need a bachelor's degree to advance, then I can always get it later, but how do you find the time to take classes at a state college while working full time? And how long will it take me to get a bachelor's degree if I only take one or two courses at a time?
And I am not going to become a CPA. I just want to be a regular accountant like my Dad is.
Good for you, any college experience will make you much more marketable. You're on your way!
The good thing about a lot of state schools is that you can transfer most of the credits from an Associates degree toward a Bachelor program. The Bachelor degree consists of 120 credits (in my school anyway, but I assume most programs are similar) which translates to 40 classes. If you have an Associates, then you're halfway there, so you only need 20 more classes. If you take two per semester that's four per year, so you will have all 20 in five years. There's also the possibility of summer classes to increase your yearly total.
I don't recommend the full time while working routine. It's what I do, but that's a result of my personality. I'm hyper-focused on school, it's a serious obsession. And I have no social life at all. I go to work, go to school, and study. If I had friends then it wouldn't work. I also have the common "Aspie-memory" so on a lot of classes I don't have to study much, I just remember everything that was said, or I've read. That doesn't work in a lot of the harder classes, but it helps.
Good luck!
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I don't work at any corporate firm yet. I'm about to get my associate's degree after next semester, and then, I might spend a year or a half of a year taking additional accounting and business courses at my local community college, since my state rehab center's career counselor told me that doing that should make me pretty marketable to potential employers.
My mom also did say that if I need a bachelor's degree to advance, then I can always get it later, but how do you find the time to take classes at a state college while working full time? And how long will it take me to get a bachelor's degree if I only take one or two courses at a time?
And I am not going to become a CPA. I just want to be a regular accountant like my Dad is.
Good for you, any college experience will make you much more marketable. You're on your way!
The good thing about a lot of state schools is that you can transfer most of the credits from an Associates degree toward a Bachelor program. The Bachelor degree consists of 120 credits (in my school anyway, but I assume most programs are similar) which translates to 40 classes. If you have an Associates, then you're halfway there, so you only need 20 more classes. If you take two per semester that's four per year, so you will have all 20 in five years. There's also the possibility of summer classes to increase your yearly total.
I don't recommend the full time while working routine. It's what I do, but that's a result of my personality. I'm hyper-focused on school, it's a serious obsession. And I have no social life at all. I go to work, go to school, and study. If I had friends then it wouldn't work. I also have the common "Aspie-memory" so on a lot of classes I don't have to study much, I just remember everything that was said, or I've read. That doesn't work in a lot of the harder classes, but it helps.
Good luck!
But how many classes do you take per semester?
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But how many classes do you take per semester?
I take four per semester, two over the summer, and one during Winter break in January.
It's horrible, and I'm so glad it's almost over, because I'm starting to fall apart from the stress. However when I do something I have to fully commit, so the possibility of part-time doesn't apply to me. I'm also trying to make up for my wasted younger years--the time I should have been in school was spent doing nothing productive.
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