keeping a job
i seem to have no problem getting jobs. i am very well qualifies in my specialist subject and talented at my profession.
it is keeping the job that is the problem. for example i have had my current job for 1 year. i am already facing disciplinary procedures..but for what? i have no idea and neither do they. regarding my actual duties i perform excellently. I was in my first disciplinary watched carefully by top staff and they reported I was good - outstanding.
So if it is not my duty - what I am actually employed for what is the problem...
well it is simply acting with my colleagues in a professional and agreeable way.
I have no way of dressing up what I say so it just comes out, regardless of whether another member of staff or the boss boss - i still speak the same. I don't have the ability to differentiate or be tactile apparently. I go around telling people how it is - and because of their lack of competency they complain about me instead of addressing their downfalls
this leads to weird disciplinary. i have a high level of praise and external acknowledgment of my talents and thank you from people who matter - i am good at my job - but i am still in front of the main boss on monday
and it is not a one off - it is a lifetime pattern. top of my class at school but expelled. liked by all but excluded from peer friendship groups because i don't get my peers. scholarships but disciplinary hearing, it has to stop. i would like to hear from anyone with similar probs.
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In a related thread, Waltr wrote something interesting:
1. Involves one of your special interests and you're naturally good at the work
2. Stable and secure. Little worry about change in basic situation
3. Allows for control over work environment and activity
4. Evaluation based on clear, objective performance criteria
5. Provides ideal level of interaction with others
6. No office politics
7. Provides enough stimulation to avoid boredom
8. Pays well enough to meet financial needs
9. Has a career path that doesn't force you into a position that doesn't fit your needs
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my job meets most of the criteria and as i said im really good at my job - but there is an unavoidable sense of politics and heirachy and red tape ands i often avoid it all or miss it out which is what gets med in trouble although no-one has told me outright what the problem is.
i just wish that my colleagues were a bit more understanding!
anyway thanks for your reply
Have you tried asking up front what it was that you did 'wrong'?
hi kosta_matt,
re:
A bloke by the name of Luke Beardon thinks the same. He's written about this in WP . A kind Aspie on this site put me onto him. So here is the link
www.wrongplanet.net/postt28699.html
It helped me deal with same work intolerances u r talking about.
Cheers
kosta_matt, I have had similar experiences to you.
In fact my experiences match many of those in this place. I have also been told that the criticism is that I'm not a "team" player. But it's not me that doesn't want to work with the team, it is they who don't make an effort to include me as one of them.
Plus they don't come to me to tell me they have a problem, they sneak behind my back to the bosses with the complaint and suddenly I am pulled in to the manager without knowing I have done anything wrong. Not that I have, of course.
Plus they don't come to me to tell me they have a problem, they sneak behind my back to the bosses with the complaint and suddenly I am pulled in to the manager without knowing I have done anything wrong.
EarlPurple, this is exactly what i have just experienced over the last six months at my work place. And have experienced ALL my years to date. I've gone past "frustration/anger/elitist response to intolerant small minded others/building a huge bank of evidence based data whenever i sensed this attitude forming+huge extra energy used ON TOP of doing the job" This last time I contacted the local employment agency- declared myself as one with a 'hidden barrier to success in employment' /contacted the psychologist who diagnosed me as AS, and openly stated to employment agency that I have the right to work unfettered by attitudinal barriers other people put upon me. I have yet to finish this process with employment agency acting as advocate between me and workplace. I am nervous about getting bureaucracy involved because it does complicate the "communications" but our national govt has provided funds this year for the ASD needs because they know they need everybody on board in this GFC times. I chose to go this way because i dont want to be slogging away on my own anymore. And, that's why I'm listening,talking and sharing on WP too.
Workplace exclusion of some is bullying. Bullying, is definitely an iceburg we all have to melt. Facing the bully with quiet, but respectful defiance (Mahatma Ghandi approach)(no elitism intended) has been my approach. I have had a 50:50 success rate. The losses were in workplaces where reasoning and reasonableness were not desired. My current employment place is such a place . Hence, i seek work via a mediator.
In truth I've survived major depressions and averted crashes in self esteem because of the following thoughts and attitudes
1.I have the right to a life. 2. I have the desire to live. 3. I am of good heart, mind and intent. 4. I wont let the bastards get me. 5. I walk out on torture( if I'm captured by commitment or circumstance i create refuge for myself and do my best.
The residual to all this foot-soldiering has been a couple of bouts of PTSD, along with the usual stressor responses to living in a global 21C world.
I have found a solution is always there for me when i have a calm mind to see it without judgement.
I'm unable to keep jobs, even though it's not hard for me to be accepted in interviews.
I can't understand how it happens every time that the skills and experience I'm hired for and chosen among all the candidates, as soon as I start the job become obsolete, the job changes nature and I'm stuck needing a set of skills and experience that I don't have, and all that I have to offer has become irrelevant.
I'm now jobless again, and was fired for not having a certain talent that wasn't even relevant when I was hired, while I was told when I was fired that all the skills that I do have are "not relevant".
I just lost interest in working anymore, which means I've lost interest in surviving. I just don't care about anything anymore.
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it is keeping the job that is the problem. for example i have had my current job for 1 year. i am already facing disciplinary procedures..but for what? i have no idea and neither do they. regarding my actual duties i perform excellently. I was in my first disciplinary watched carefully by top staff and they reported I was good - outstanding.
So if it is not my duty - what I am actually employed for what is the problem...
well it is simply acting with my colleagues in a professional and agreeable way.
I have no way of dressing up what I say so it just comes out, regardless of whether another member of staff or the boss boss - i still speak the same. I don't have the ability to differentiate or be tactile apparently. I go around telling people how it is - and because of their lack of competency they complain about me instead of addressing their downfalls
this leads to weird disciplinary. i have a high level of praise and external acknowledgment of my talents and thank you from people who matter - i am good at my job - but i am still in front of the main boss on monday
and it is not a one off - it is a lifetime pattern. top of my class at school but expelled. liked by all but excluded from peer friendship groups because i don't get my peers. scholarships but disciplinary hearing, it has to stop. i would like to hear from anyone with similar probs.
How about the fact that I never had one report or discipllinary action in 12 yrs of school, but ran into conflict all the time on jobs? What is THAT about?! I created a radio show called DAY JOBS to address these issues andhelp people keep jobs. I , too, get highest productivity in the office, great praise, and it means nothing now because of the past firings. I still end up getting terminated. Don't expect people to look at their own shortcomings that you point out to them. THE PEOPLE IN THE WORKPLACE ARE LARGELY IMMATURE CHILDREN WHO NEVER GOT OFF THE PLAYGROUND MENTALITY. They are bullying, or competitive, and hurt at something their mommy and daddy did to them, and they merely take it out on you.
Plus they don't come to me to tell me they have a problem, they sneak behind my back to the bosses with the complaint and suddenly I am pulled in to the manager without knowing I have done anything wrong.
EarlPurple, this is exactly what i have just experienced over the last six months at my work place. And have experienced ALL my years to date. I've gone past "frustration/anger/elitist response to intolerant small minded others/building a huge bank of evidence based data whenever i sensed this attitude forming+huge extra energy used ON TOP of doing the job" This last time I contacted the local employment agency- declared myself as one with a 'hidden barrier to success in employment' /contacted the psychologist who diagnosed me as AS, and openly stated to employment agency that I have the right to work unfettered by attitudinal barriers other people put upon me. I have yet to finish this process with employment agency acting as advocate between me and workplace. I am nervous about getting bureaucracy involved because it does complicate the "communications" but our national govt has provided funds this year for the ASD needs because they know they need everybody on board in this GFC times. I chose to go this way because i dont want to be slogging away on my own anymore. And, that's why I'm listening,talking and sharing on WP too.
Workplace exclusion of some is bullying. Bullying, is definitely an iceburg we all have to melt. Facing the bully with quiet, but respectful defiance (Mahatma Ghandi approach)(no elitism intended) has been my approach. I have had a 50:50 success rate. The losses were in workplaces where reasoning and reasonableness were not desired. My current employment place is such a place . Hence, i seek work via a mediator.
In truth I've survived major depressions and averted crashes in self esteem because of the following thoughts and attitudes
1.I have the right to a life. 2. I have the desire to live. 3. I am of good heart, mind and intent. 4. I wont let the bastards get me. 5. I walk out on torture( if I'm captured by commitment or circumstance i create refuge for myself and do my best.
The residual to all this foot-soldiering has been a couple of bouts of PTSD, along with the usual stressor responses to living in a global 21C world.
I have found a solution is always there for me when i have a calm mind to see it without judgement.
I called EVERYWHRE to get a social worker or someone to sit in with me on a work meeting so that I could simply keep my job! No one would. We so need that program here! Here, you get either long pauses, stares, or a look of complete puzzlement from psychologists and social workers when you tell them you need a 'go between' at these work meetings (when they call you in for a 'problem' and have four people there and you are only one). That is absolutely unacceptable. You worded it very well .
[b]In general, I would tell you all that people in the workplace are very immature and so insecure that they will lose their OWN jobs, that is why they go behind your back. I do not know why so many humans find it necessary to have everyone go along with a group, gossip, and talk about things like their personal lives, which we find so mundane and trivial. I don't know WHAT IT IS ABOUT THE WORKPLACE THAT BRINGS OUT THE DESTROY MODE, SUCH AS SEEN ON THE SHOW 'SURVIVOR'. They are so competitive and it is so stupid! Nobody is going to one up you or take your little job from you. Leave us asp. alone.