Quirky kid does/does not = "Regular" High School

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30 Mar 2008, 4:42 pm

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You are VERY unlikely to convince the Aspie he isn't smarter than everyone else if you are a NT. Aspies spend years trying to understand how NTs minds work and how to affect them. NTs generally spend little or no time trying to figure out how Aspies minds work. Even if you are as smart as him your arguments won't work.

Double trouble.

The whole family is spectrum. Dad won't admit to anything. Closest we got on him was a surreptitious ADHD test from the local psychiatrist (off the chart). Even the cat won't eat her Friskies if they're the wrong temperature or if her plate has been moved.

Luckily, I'm not trying to convince him he's not smarter than everyone else (of course he is), I'm just trying to teach him how to not express that fact so clearly at 14. Some of my memories are fuzzy, but I do recall getting the crap beaten out of me in grammar school for having a similar attitude...

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So do what works:
1) Teach him people don't like to be treated as if they are stupid.
2) Teach him most people just get angry if you correct them.

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) Teach him he is different and cannot put themselves in an NTs shoes. NTs will not react the same way as an Aspie.

You know what the most difficult part is about this? He looks at me and says: "Mommy, you're an Aspie, not me."
So I muss his hair, say "yes, honey, you're my quirky kid", and I come on here and type. I'm now trying the "you know, you think differently, like in the Apple campaign" approach...

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4) Teach him his easiest way to respect is skill. <NT: Man he is odd but he fixed my computer problem in seconds>
5) Teach him to detect and avoid emotionals. <People who use their emotions to act rather than thinking.>

Actually, I have hubby to thank for these two. He's a very skills oriented individual.
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6) Teach him to say nothing in a conversation. To draw the NT into talking and act being interested in their 4th hangnail.

Not normally a problem. Saying nothing, that is. Getting him to not walk away from the conversation, however...

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One way of getting him into college might be finding something he has researched completely and introducing him to a professor who is an expert in it. In advance ask the professor to try and draw him into the topic. It is likely the Aspie will impress the professor and bingo he becomes a college student under someone's wing.

Great idea.

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Oh and find him another Aspie for a friend. He will likely find one on his own but you can probably find him one faster.

That hadn't occurred to me.

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Whee lots of advice. I hope some of it helps.

I'm sure it will. Thank you.


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01 Apr 2008, 3:22 am

So your kid wants to go to real high school. I don't blame him. My son goes to regular high school, but he is autistic, looks normal, acts kinda normal. It's really hard for him these days. It almost seems like he's going backwards. He wanders around at night. His interest in things is minimal. I think high school is good, but he is what he is and sometimes they just can't cope out there. He has some great friends, but none of them understand what he's going through. Perhaps he needs someone like him to help him along. I hope your "kiddo" does well. As for you, well, I guess it's the one day at a time thing. :)



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06 Sep 2008, 1:18 pm

Thought I would update this post, as high school has "started".

I took kid to what passes for freshman orientation in these parts. The main portion took place in a very loud gymnasium, with all of the different clubs sending a representative up to a microphone to give a spiel. Then there was a (rather poor) tour of the campus. I purposely hung back and allowed kid to absorb the situation and make his own judgements.

When it was all said and done, I asked him for his assessment, and if he wanted to attend.

He looked at me as if I had 3 heads.

"I thought all of those stereotypes only existed in the movies! I mean, the football quarterback who was so stupid that the drama club guy had to come up and help him with his announcement; the cheerleader who looked like she was in a manic phase of bipolar; the cliques of girls who all looked exactly alike... why didn't you tell me it was all real?"

I didn't laugh. Honest.

(me) "So, um, do you want me to register you for classes?"

"NO! I want to be homeschooled. Those people are weird."

(he met his first fellow "quirky" homeschooler at the library this week and is gleefully happy)


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06 Sep 2008, 2:06 pm

I don't know if it's an option in your area, but you might consider a magnet school. I went to one focused on arts & communications midway through High School and wish I'd gone sooner, because it probably would've saved me from dropping out entirely a year later. Each one is a bit different, depending on what they offer, but most of them allow students to have a more direct hand in guiding their own education. My school even offered classes like computer graphics, electronic music composition, and video editing in addition to the more typical courses. The first time I visited the school, I was shocked to see a greenhouse next to the main building :p

Most of them also have the benefit of being much smaller, more diverse, and the students tend to be more accepting, friendly, and intelligent than what people would expect from HS students. Being an art school, mine attracted a lot of goth/industrial/punk types, but that probably varies depending on the curriculum offered.

Just something to think about.



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06 Sep 2008, 2:08 pm

That was so funny, the way it played out.

Although, in all fairness to real people, do tell him that while there are cores of truth in the stereotypes, they remain stereotypes, movies do exaggerate, and he shouldn't use those impressions to make too many assumptions about any one person.

I was actually a cheerleader in High School. Yeah, they couldn't believe I wanted to do it then, either. I just really loved dance, and my parents had always refused to pay for ballet lessons, etc. But I cannot honestly say I've kept in touch with any of those girls (now women, of course). We were teammates, not friends, although I know they liked me well enough.

However, I think the high school experience can be well skipped by most people.


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06 Sep 2008, 2:41 pm

We're in a one high school place. Literally. It's alright.

He knows everyone isn't the stereotypes (I think, I hope - we've discussed it!), and he has even met a football player with a brain...

I am actually intending to have him take a couple of classes at the school (physics comes to mind) at some point. There are just some classes that don't translate well into a "home" setting (no lasers in my living room). For now, we'll just plow into the curriculum I planned. As soon as the packers bring it next week... sigh. Moving bites.


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06 Sep 2008, 4:16 pm

Number_2 wrote:
Hello.

I'm in a bit of a quandry. Kiddo wants to go to high school. Real high school. He thinks.

He spent K-2 in foreign schools, and 3 in a really cool private place. Four was the nightmare year at a local school. Five through eight has been with me (holed up in the bad neighborhood with a computer and a bunch of books).

Call me the unintentional homeschooler.

*Actually, you can call me anything you want, but if you hijack my thread into your own personal crusade about how one type of schooling is SOOOOO much better than any other, I'm going to go all "runnin' to a moderator" on you.

Back to my story.

Kiddo loved his foreign experience. Ditto for the private year. He is still scarred from the generalized nastiness of the "bad" school. After a (very) rocky start, he has really settled in to homeschooling. He is far beyond where me and hubby were at his age (heck, he was ahead of me at 3...). And therein lies the problem: he has determined that "most people are stupid".


SO? HE'S RIGHT!

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<sigh>

Hubby says that I am sowing the seeds of discontent, feeding into kiddo's fears of high school... but I can't disagree with the poor kid! Do adolescents generally behave in an idiotic manner? Yes. Are they like those kids you saw on that Dateline special about kids and their wireless/virtual world? Yes. Do they eat their young (eg other kids who are 'different')? Um, yeah. ::raises hand::

Am I projecting my own, miserable adolescence as a quirky teen onto my quirky kid? Of course I am. Does that make me feel any more secure about sending him into what I view as a gaping pit? No.

He is polite. He is well spoken. He dresses... how he wants. Hey, he showers without being told (now)! He gets along great... with adults. And small children (he's a great babysitter). He wants to have friend. Yes, friend. Singular. The last one moved.

I don't know what is the most terrifying for me - the idea that someone will stomp on his soul, that he won't be able to navigate the whole locker/room A/room B thing, or that he will just be... lost - because there won't be any visuals, and math doesn't make sense when it's in a big chunky book.

Help.


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I wish I could help you, but I understand his position. If he is like I am, he will probably end up regretting it though.



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07 Sep 2008, 3:31 am

Oh - check my update - he decided to stay home as soon as he saw the "freshman orientation". Much happier kid, stimming has stopped, etc.


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09 Sep 2008, 6:33 pm

i'm one of those pro home schoolers myself...

but ultimately its his life and his decisions. If he wants to go to highschool, let him. If it works out, great, if not, you will know pretty soon and then you can withdraw him.


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09 Sep 2008, 6:34 pm

Number_2 wrote:
Oh - check my update - he decided to stay home as soon as he saw the "freshman orientation". Much happier kid, stimming has stopped, etc.


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oh. thats kewl. stim stopping? not always best for the aspie- easier for the NTs i know.


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09 Sep 2008, 7:29 pm

Re: The Locker Room Issue

One of the worst meltdowns I ever had in junior high happened because I had trouble opening my locker in gym class. Not only did I feel embarrassed in front of other students because of my helplessness, I was also frustrated because I was going to be late for my next class. I was an academically oriented person, and gym class was torture for me as it was.



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12 Sep 2008, 2:43 am

Correction: he still stims, but he has certain "I'm absolutely overwhelmed and over-stressed" stims that stopped when the high school question left the table.

I guess I don't consider the non-overwhelmed stims "stims" - they're just part of him, his regular mannerisms, you know?


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