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26 Dec 2008, 9:50 am

Perhaps it's easier to say they ARE entitled to video games, but it's only possible right now for them to play with other stuff. I see where everyone is coming from in here now too.


Always be positive. "No" is a negative word.



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26 Dec 2008, 11:05 am

Ana54 wrote:
Perhaps it's easier to say they ARE entitled to video games, but it's only possible right now for them to play with other stuff. I see where everyone is coming from in here now too.


Always be positive. "No" is a negative word.


Well, entitled implies that it can't be taken away, which it can be for unacceptable behavior. His calming items, like his shredded pillow and dinosaur, he is entitled to because he will have a meltdown if those are taken away. ;)

And "No" is unavoidable, but will ALWAYS be followed by the reasoning behind it.



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26 Dec 2008, 12:19 pm

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I see now where you are coming from.


Great! I'm glad you see where I am coming from. I know Billy isn't an NT child, and I don't expect him to act like one. He is a wonderful child and I love him as if he were my own, and I only want what's best for him. "Structured fun" seems to work best, so that's what we are going with. :D



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26 Dec 2008, 3:18 pm

Phew, you two worked it out!

Violet, you make a very good point emphasizing that with AS kids, reasoning is often the best discipline technique. It certainly has been for my 11 year old son. But that hasn't taken away the need for limits and consequences, just reduced the sorts of things I need to apply that with.

Jim, I think the limits you've discussed here have been quite fair and reasonable. I get the impression you love and understand this child, and are doing your best.

As for conflict ...

Well, I would say it is very AS to understand things in a very specific way. AS can be a very narrow way of thinking, when it comes to life situations, and by necessity that will involve assumptions arising from personal experience. I've had to patiently go round and round with my son more than a few times. And I've had to patiently do the same on these forums at times. It's important for us to understand how it happens, and to learn to communicate more clearly, to resolve it all faster. I put the responsibility for that on us, as the ones who society claims have the communication and social skills (am I allowed to think that way? Or should I rephrase or rethink?), but it really is a learning process for everyone, just as it was for Jim and Violet in this thread.


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26 Dec 2008, 3:19 pm

Jimbeaux wrote:
Ana54 wrote:
Perhaps it's easier to say they ARE entitled to video games, but it's only possible right now for them to play with other stuff. I see where everyone is coming from in here now too.


Always be positive. "No" is a negative word.


Well, entitled implies that it can't be taken away, which it can be for unacceptable behavior. His calming items, like his shredded pillow and dinosaur, he is entitled to because he will have a meltdown if those are taken away. ;)

And "No" is unavoidable, but will ALWAYS be followed by the reasoning behind it.


It might just be me, but I'd rather hear "No" a million times, before being threatened with the notion of having a item of mine stolen from me.



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26 Dec 2008, 3:25 pm

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It might just be me, but I'd rather hear "No" a million times, before being threatened with the notion of having a item of mine stolen from me.

The things that are his, his DS, his dinosaurs, his ratty pillow shreads, his leggos, etc, are his and I would never ever take them away. They are off limits. ;)



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26 Dec 2008, 3:34 pm

Jimbeaux wrote:
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It might just be me, but I'd rather hear "No" a million times, before being threatened with the notion of having a item of mine stolen from me.

The things that are his, his DS, his dinosaurs, his ratty pillow shreads, his leggos, etc, are his and I would never ever take them away. They are off limits. ;)


Well then why take anything away from him, what's that supposed to teach him?



26 Dec 2008, 8:59 pm

How are parents supposed to punish their kids then if they can't take anything away?


My mother took my bike away, my Barbie dolls when I was growing up. She also took away computer and video games. What did it teach me? To listen and obey and rules are rules. It also taught me it's what you do to your kids when they don't listen or they disobey you. My mother would threaten to take things away if I didn't do my homework or stop teasing my brothers, etc. They do get their items back when their punishment is up.

I used to take things away from my brothers when they were little because I was punishing them but my mother had to tell me that was her job, not mine. Only parents can do that, not kids. I used to treat my own brothers like my own children instead of brothers because I copied my mother. She had to explain to me what was her job and what wasn't mine.


All parents need to do is explain to their aspie kids what parents can do what kids can't do and that they both have different rules. Just like school has different rules than your own home does. At school you are not allowed to throw snow balls but at home you can, you cannot twist on the swings at school but at home you can (unless your parents also forbid it on your swingset).


Lot of kids figure out on their own parents have different rules than kids so they know what not to do to their siblings because they know it's not their job vs an aspie child thinking you can punish other kids, hit them, slap them, because that is what they learned from their parents but they don't know rules are different for their parents and rules are different for them. So they need an explination so they know. This is from my own experiance.



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26 Dec 2008, 11:00 pm

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How are parents supposed to punish their kids then if they can't take anything away?


My mother took my bike away, my Barbie dolls when I was growing up. She also took away computer and video games. What did it teach me? To listen and obey and rules are rules. It also taught me it's what you do to your kids when they don't listen or they disobey you. My mother would threaten to take things away if I didn't do my homework or stop teasing my brothers, etc. They do get their items back when their punishment is up.

I used to take things away from my brothers when they were little because I was punishing them but my mother had to tell me that was her job, not mine. Only parents can do that, not kids. I used to treat my own brothers like my own children instead of brothers because I copied my mother. She had to explain to me what was her job and what wasn't mine.


All parents need to do is explain to their aspie kids what parents can do what kids can't do and that they both have different rules. Just like school has different rules than your own home does. At school you are not allowed to throw snow balls but at home you can, you cannot twist on the swings at school but at home you can (unless your parents also forbid it on your swingset).

My parents never had to steal from me to raise me. I guess perhaps they took the extra effort, into making sure I learned what I needed to as in how to behave towards others, through stories and experience. I understand though, that is a lot of work, taking things from children as a form of punishment is much easier.


Lot of kids figure out on their own parents have different rules than kids so they know what not to do to their siblings because they know it's not their job vs an aspie child thinking you can punish other kids, hit them, slap them, because that is what they learned from their parents but they don't know rules are different for their parents and rules are different for them. So they need an explination so they know. This is from my own experiance.



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26 Dec 2008, 11:54 pm

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Well then why take anything away from him, what's that supposed to teach him?

It teaches him that there are consequences for his behaving unacceptably. Always with a full explanation and with a time limit. Example, he gets 8 hours of computer time a day. He throws a fit in public over wanting a toy or something that he isn't allowed to have, even after an explanation as to why he isn't allowed to have it (don't have the money, he already has enough bionicles that he doesn't play with), he loses an hour or two of the 8 hours for the day. Therefore, he learns throwing tantrums in public is not acceptable, does not get him his way, and will cost him some time on something he enjoys.

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Oh, and the other things, like his DS and TV privileges are things his mom might take away for a brief time when he is bad. Not me, though, since he isn't my son and his mom bought him his DS and such.



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27 Dec 2008, 6:49 pm

I see so your desire to teach through parental theivery is a family issue. How about I just say this plan and simple. You are being lazy parents, you are taking shortcuts to actually teaching your son real moral and important lessons about being social. All your son is learning is you are bigger than him, and can bully over him. Feel free to respond, since frankly this is going in circles. I don't find your style of parenting the least bit defensible, however I can see where it would benefit you. So please, stop coming here and playing martyr and acting like your son is unreasonable. He is because you made him that way. You raised him as unfeeling and un-empathetic parents. You don't treat people by making everything they desire a privilage.

You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it. I'm sorry, this wasn't the "Poor little baby, we understand" type of parenting forum you were looking for.



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27 Dec 2008, 7:33 pm

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I see so your desire to teach through parental theivery is a family issue. How about I just say this plan and simple. You are being lazy parents, you are taking shortcuts to actually teaching your son real moral and important lessons about being social. All your son is learning is you are bigger than him, and can bully over him. Feel free to respond, since frankly this is going in circles. I don't find your style of parenting the least bit defensible, however I can see where it would benefit you. So please, stop coming here and playing martyr and acting like your son is unreasonable. He is because you made him that way. You raised him as unfeeling and un-empathetic parents. You don't treat people by making everything they desire a privilage.

You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it. I'm sorry, this wasn't the "Poor little baby, we understand" type of parenting forum you were looking for.


Thievery implies something was his and it was stolen. How about I just say this plain and simple: You have no clue what the hell you are talking about. You are a kid with no responsibilities who will most likely NEVER have any responsibility. My girlfriend's son is learning that he needs to respect authority and live within society and learning how to interact with others.

I am not and have never played martyr. That you think so just shows me how out of touch with reality you are.

I hope you never have children, because you will screw them up royally given your idiotic views of child raising. That is, of course, unless you actually experience raising children and realize how your idealistic views based on theory simply won't work in practice.

No one is entitled to whatever they want. As adults, everything must be earned. EVERYTHING we want IS a privilege earned by the sweat of our brow. Or in your case, someone else's. You are lucky you have no responsibility and have a family that doesn't care to teach you responsibility and allow you to be a lifelong burden to them, because if you ever had to interact with the real world and earn your own way, you would be in for quite a shock.

Frankly, you disgust me.



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27 Dec 2008, 7:58 pm

I thought personal attacks weren't allowed on Wrongplanet. Better get the mods over here.



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27 Dec 2008, 8:01 pm

Jimbeaux wrote:
violet_yoshi wrote:
I see so your desire to teach through parental theivery is a family issue. How about I just say this plan and simple. You are being lazy parents, you are taking shortcuts to actually teaching your son real moral and important lessons about being social. All your son is learning is you are bigger than him, and can bully over him. Feel free to respond, since frankly this is going in circles. I don't find your style of parenting the least bit defensible, however I can see where it would benefit you. So please, stop coming here and playing martyr and acting like your son is unreasonable. He is because you made him that way. You raised him as unfeeling and un-empathetic parents. You don't treat people by making everything they desire a privilage.

You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it. I'm sorry, this wasn't the "Poor little baby, we understand" type of parenting forum you were looking for.


Thievery implies something was his and it was stolen. How about I just say this plain and simple: You have no clue what the hell you are talking about. You are a kid with no responsibilities who will most likely NEVER have any responsibility. My girlfriend's son is learning that he needs to respect authority and live within society and learning how to interact with others.

I am not and have never played martyr. That you think so just shows me how out of touch with reality you are.

I hope you never have children, because you will screw them up royally given your idiotic views of child raising. That is, of course, unless you actually experience raising children and realize how your idealistic views based on theory simply won't work in practice.

No one is entitled to whatever they want. As adults, everything must be earned. EVERYTHING we want IS a privilege earned by the sweat of our brow. Or in your case, someone else's. You are lucky you have no responsibility and have a family that doesn't care to teach you responsibility and allow you to be a lifelong burden to them, because if you ever had to interact with the real world and earn your own way, you would be in for quite a shock.

Frankly, you disgust me.


I hope your son sees this, at least then he can have the perspective that your cruelty is not limited only to him.



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27 Dec 2008, 9:09 pm

From what I have learned from Jimbeaux's posts here he is acting in a very caring, consistent and responsible way towards his girlfriend's son. All children have to learn that their actions have consequences - positive and negative.

A large part of parenting involves preparing a child for the next stage of their development and ultimately for adulthood. Jimbeaux has demonstrated, to me at least, that he is doing his utmost to ensure that this boy becomes a responsible, thoughtful and caring person who will be able to achieve his potential as an adult. You can't do that by letting a child do exactly what they want, when they want.

Jimbeaux is sensitive to this boy's needs and is also seeking to ensure that the boy has, and understands, limits and boundaries. He is providing a framework within which they can grow and develop as a family and as individuals. And I think he's doing a great job!



27 Dec 2008, 9:32 pm

violet_yoshi wrote:
I see so your desire to teach through parental theivery is a family issue. How about I just say this plan and simple. You are being lazy parents, you are taking shortcuts to actually teaching your son real moral and important lessons about being social. All your son is learning is you are bigger than him, and can bully over him. Feel free to respond, since frankly this is going in circles. I don't find your style of parenting the least bit defensible, however I can see where it would benefit you. So please, stop coming here and playing martyr and acting like your son is unreasonable. He is because you made him that way. You raised him as unfeeling and un-empathetic parents. You don't treat people by making everything they desire a privilage.

You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it. I'm sorry, this wasn't the "Poor little baby, we understand" type of parenting forum you were looking for.


STOP TELLING PARENTS HOW TO RAISE THEIR KIDS. YOU SOUND LIKE A KID THROWING A TANTRUM ABOUT NOT LIKING TO BE PUNISHED AND YOU ARE 26 YEARS OLD, NOT A SEVEN YEAR OLD OR A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD. Lot of kids think in their childhood they would never punish their own children when they grow up but as they get older, they realize why it happens and understand it. So they do it to kids they are babysitting and to their own when they have them. You really haven't grown up yet have you? You may be 26 but inside you are still an adolescent.

EVERY PARENT IS DIFFERENT AND THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG PARENTING. THE ONLY WRONG WAY IS CHILD ABUSE AND SEXUAL ABUSE AND NEGLET.

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I thought personal attacks weren't allowed on Wrongplanet. Better get the mods over here.


Oh really?! Maybe they can decide on when you told Jimbeaux he is being a lazy parent.