mercury/heavy metal poisoning/chealation???

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I don't understand why they don't just go down to S. America or somewhere else in this world where Meurcury runs in creeks uncontrolled contaminating the environment due to mining. Have a look around and see what it is doing to the people there, is it making them "autistic"?

Mercury poisoning makes you go insane, as in the days where they treated STDs with mercury.
I've never heard the argument that mercury=autism was meant only for regressive cases. I have heard the regression used as evidence of an event. I don't know about other countries but here in the US we received the MMR shot-containing Measles, Mumps, Rubella. It's the big scar on your arm. Most have it on their biceps, mine is in the back of my arm. After the thimersol-tainted MMR shot theory was pretty much shot down, now Mercury Moms are complaining about the sheer numbers of vaccines from birth to 2 years.
I don't know. I only know what I've been saying, Autism has been around and Mercury Moms deny this. Doesn't matter how many times it's said. Now that thimersol has been taken out of MMR shots for four years, are the autism diagnoses going down? No, they are going up.

I thought the big scar on the arm was caused by Small Pox? My mother, older sister and husband all have one. By the time I would have been due for it, Small Pox had been declared irradicated, and they no longer vaccinate for it.

I have had an MMR, as has my younger sister and three children, none of us have that scar. My mother and older sister never had an MMR, they do...

Anyway, all I am suggesting with the Mercury thing is, yes, it does cause you to go insane and I believe a host of other heavy metal poisoning symptoms, but if mercury = Autism, I would expect to see much higher ASD rates in these areas too?

Personally, I am glad that thimersol is not used anymore routinely, however I really have to wonder, where would we be if it where not for vaccines? I have a feeling the internet would be filled with a lot more grieving sites for dead children for one, other then a bunch of places where moms whine about their kids loosing a couple IQ points or acting a little odd. My mother remembers a time when whole families where lost to disease, and it was not uncommon to see cripples from Polio or have towns shut down routinely under "quarintene". SARS in Toronto a few years ago showed just how devistating a label of "plague city" is for our modern society.

As for all the vaccines, I have actually tried to stagger them a bit beyond what is called for. My daughter was late with the MMR, (Japan does not give it until 2 years) My younger son got it on time due to a local outbreak. I have elected to wait on the chicken pox, I think I am going to get it for my daughter turning 5 this summer, and I will wait for my son to get a bit older too, unless I put him into daycare. I know I have seen a couple people post here that chicken pox, something we normally regard as "harmless" actually caused serious complications with them and they lost the use of one or more limbs among other things, how sad is that? I think we have a lot to owe to the field of vaccinations and preventitive medicines.

Now I'm confused with the Small Pox vs MMR. I know I've had both, I didn't know they eradicated Small Pox shots.

Someone in the blogosphere posted a slideshow of children that have had these (usually) childhood diseases and the terrible things it does to your body. I can't see how any caring person would risk their children to that. I've heard measles has come back to the UK for that very reason.
My own son was late with two series of shots around a year old. We were moving on his birthday and we got him in maybe 6 months later. He clearly had his autistic traits already and missed other developmental milestones by that time. There was no regression but a habit of slowly learning. Any "regression" he's ever had is always directly linked with poor peer integration and over dependence on NT communciation styles.

http://dermatology.about.com/cs/smallpo ... oxvacc.htm

The above link has info on the Small pox vaccine. Looks like a nastier vaccine, was administered with a two pronged needle? Apparently it causes a blister on the skin, fills with puss, scabs up and falls off in a few weeks leaving a scar behind.

Gross.

they're is Heavy Metal Poisoning

What is this in relation too? Is it my mercury comments in 2nd /3rd world countries. I know there is, I just wonder if this "poisoning" results in "autism".
It just seems likely to me, that if a place is dumping tons of heavy metals and mercury in particular into its environment, and people think that mercury causes autism, then these areas should have soaring numbers of auties right?

You'd also see high amounts of mercury poisoning in seafood consumers, the Japanese, anyone in the Pacific Rim that eats shark, tuna, etc? Though again, I don't doubt the mercury in seafood may have had some lingering effect on our DNA and possibly reproductive systems (glandular output).

Yeah, I read about Small Pox from the CDC while Wrong Planet was down a couple of hours ago. I would have been part of the last set of kids that got it. My husband and I both have the scars. I thought that was the MMR which was given with a gun of sorts.

Okay, by weird coinky-dink, I answered my own question, hypothesis about mercury poisoning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease
I found this on an updated part of Wikipedia and did not do a search, just showed up. Weird. There's a link at the bottom of the article about a similar outbreak in Ontario, Canada

That was pretty terrible. Still though, you would think that besides the people who where sevearly affected, you would see an outcrop of children with autism, perhaps caused by the risidual trace amounts left in parents bodies (those not so severely affected) or in the enviornment, as I would think mercury would be very persistent.


I remember seeing a lady on Montel a few years back who was blaming eating Tuna during her 2 pregnancies for the reason why both her children where Autistic.

I know in Canada now, that Pregnant women are told not to eath Any tuna. I am not sure if this is because of autism, or just the fact that all those heavy metals can't be go for you or the baby!



Again, I am by no means an "expert" but I don't remember a "gun" with the MMR, it was just a standard needle for myself and my children.

Looking at the small pox needle, it was this funky two pronged thing, that held the vaccine suspended between the two forks. The idea was to jab you lightly with if a few times, making a few small punctures, and the fluid would gain enty through the "wound" that this strange needle caused...

I have 2 teen sons that are AS. I have 2 children that are NT. I have gone over everything that was different about the pregnancies and everything that was the same. The AS also goes back quite far in my family tree and there were no vaccines in Germany in the 1800's. The genetic theory seems to make the most sense to me.

I don't think thirmesol in vaccines cause autism. There was a study I think Sweden showing that when vaccines with preservatives where pulled the rate of new case of autism spectrum disorders did not change. Mercury poisoning and the symptoms of autism are only vaguely similar. The sensory problem is autism are different from mercury. In autism people general over sensitive to touch or sounds. People that have been poised develeped redish skin and even bleed from there fingers nails. People that have mercury poisoning develope a burning sensation in there fingers and toes. Mercury eats wholes in your brain but an aspie brain is over all largers and have more white matter. Is almost like a fatty layer that protects neurons. Even though an aspie brain is larger then an nt but some subregions seems to be affected like the hypothalamus, cerebellum, hippocampus and other regions. Andrew Wake the originator the this whole vaccine debacle had his orginal article disavowed by the lancet. Andrew Wakefield has thoroughly discredited. They failed to replicate his studies. He made a serve breach of unbiased professionalism when enlisted children into his study referenced to him by a lawyer who was suing the drug companies for causing autism. Andrew Wake field is a hack and a snake oil salesmen. He should go to jail for life reckless endangerment of human lives by causing so much epic distrust in vaccines. Herd immunity is starting to break and now rare illness are starting to come and have even claimed lives.

To be a good working theory of how autism works it most explain the different observed in Neurotransmitters, sex ratio differences, brain size differences, neurological and behavioral difference. Personally I think vaccines and mercury bombs horrible and does not explain these differences. The problem is that some parents might so desperately believe that chelation is working that pick up any little thing as proof off. With an age matched control group to compare to doctors are not really sure if your kids have improve because of the treatment or just with age.

Personally I think what offers the best hope right now is early intervention and maybe oyxtocin if the drug can ever make to a phase three trial. In small does oxytocin is safer then chelation for non nursing non pregnant women. Mercury and vaccines are stealing precocious resources away much more likely causes like oxytocin.

Oh, if you research "chelation" you will discover that there was quite a period of people removing and / or trying to treat their perceived mercury poisoning from their fillings, believing it caused all sorts of nuero issues, and often the "cure" caused more issues than the fillings may have ever done. I think ultimately the dental profession decided to just not use fillings with mercury in the future.

Correlation does not equal causality. What you've pointed out about the Amish also fits in perfectly with what I've observed and long believed: that excess sensory overload can trigger autism, much in the way excess irritants trigger asthma or allergies. The Amish live much quieter lives, of the sort my AS son would have thrived in and, possibly, never had to react negatively to. A genetic condition that can become more apparent or obvious due to environmental factors is what I've observed. But, this theory doesn't have the mass hysteria appeal that heavy metal poisoning does, and isn't as easily solved (how does one target the amp'd up volume of life?), so panic doesn't favor it.

It is also suspicious how often testing leads to positive results. You're hard pressed to find people who tested for it through the anti-autism community of professionals and didn't find it.

While I believe on the no reason to be biased, I don't think your AS keeps you from being swayed by bad science or bad instinct, although it definitely will make you the more intractable debate opponent You are definitely against the grain of the AS community on how you're reading this stuff, and I tend to believe in majority rules when I'm looking at the conclusions of many AS minds independently analyzing the same information.