What would have helped me as an Aspie child
I agree that there is no "typical" aspie kid - but some of his traits are common among people with Asperger's. I am a Mom of a teenager with Asperger's who first started having serious social problems at about your son's age. It is great that you are getting him evaluated and that you are already visiting sites like this - it will really help you understand him, and that's what he needs most.
But he will also need to learn to live in the world. He is entitled to his obsessions and his personality quirks, but he also needs to learn to interact successfully with others, manage his anxiety, and understand his own strengths and weaknesses. Getting an evaluation and some professional support are the first steps on that road.
It would be irresponsible to let him sit in front of the computer all day, but forcing him to do other things might do more harm than good. You're going to have to learn to negotiate with him. After all, it is your house and your computer, right?
Yes, it is so hard to pry him away from the computer -- he would go out and then start getting agitated a few hours later and begging that he wants to go home. We are trying very hard to get him off from the computer but then we have to get him to do something else. He used to have a very close friend who came over, that friend was really good because he was physically active and had an influence over him but unfortunately, he stole his new game boy advance and refused to give it back to us. So he is no longer with this friend. He had been teased and bullied at school last year.
I am hoping that with the behavior therapist, he will learn to do more things and overcome his obsession with the computer and also we would get a proper diagnosis for him.
I am seeing that it is not easy to raise a kid with asperger's traits -- it is heartbreaking at times and you see the child change so drastically over the years and wonder what happened. Also people are quick to judge you as a parent and that your child needs more strict discipline and that they would be better but they do not know the agony that a parent faces. Do any of you ever felt that way?
My boys (now 13 & 15) would spend all day on the Xbox/PS/Nintendo if we let them (I am the aspie, not them). Sometimes I wish we had never bought these games. We used to limit the number of hours and give bonus hours as rewards. Its not so much of a problem now.
As a random thought, if you have time, try challenging him to chess or monopoly, scrabble, etc as an alternative. My kids liked it. I also let my kids get bored. I think think its good for creativity and thinking. I try not to make it too easy for them to turn on electronic entertainment if they don't know what else to do.
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If your child has an obsession that isolates him from others, try to find a summer day camp or after school program that caters to that obsession. This summer my son attended a computer aided design class and made a friend that had the same interest. I know that there are camps for computer game design too. It seems to me that there are certain areas of study that draw in Aspie kids and it is so wonderful when they can find each other and have someone to listen to their obsession with actual interest and understanding, even if it is for only one week at a summer camp.
The highest goal of parenting is to teach the child what s/he needs to know, in order to be a functional adult. What seems to have happened with some Aspies I've known is that their parents got hung up on teaching them to be normal children, rather than teaching them to be functional adults.
Then they wonder why their son in his mid 20's and has never had girlfriend, throws temper tantrums, can't drive a car, has no job, and still lives at home.
Maybe he was taught to be a child all too well?
Has anyone done a spiral notebook with situations in there and do's and dont's???? Has a thread been started on this subject? I like the idea???
Your suggestions are great,and I see that you are caring parents!
I think it is most important to start from the perspective of your child.See what needs he has and how he experiences the people and things around him.Some things can cause anger for them without us seeing it,and some things may be enjoyable for them which they aren't for us.
Understanding a child is most important and necessary to love him.
My thoughts are not very bright because I am very young and don't have any children,yet I dared to share them with you...
Last week, at my older son's checkup (he just turned four), my pediatrician directed me towards having him evaluated for autistic tendencies. Since then, I've spent a lot of time online, looking for information and resources. The waiting list for the medical dx is four to six months (he's signed up and on 'standby'), but we're also having him assessed next week by the school district (lucky for me, I ran into an aspie's mom at our community playdate, the day after my son's ped visit; she tuned me in to a lot of great resources). After some serious cramming (I can't believe I know so much about this in so short a time), my husband and I are both fairly certain that our little guy will probably get a dx of PDD-NOS. He fits some of the criteria for autism (echolalia, tantrums over some changes in routine, an ability to hyperfocus, lack of "appropriate" social skills), but makes eye contact and likes hugs, at least with his family...
Please forgive me if I'm wandering. What I'm wondering is, other than getting support from the school system and waiting for a real dx (so our insurance will cover additional occupational therapy/speech/whatever he needs), what can I do now? I'm reading everything I can find on the subject, working to educate myself, but what can I do for him? He's very young and his echolalia makes it hard for me to understand what he wants and needs (for example, I never know what he wants to eat -- his answer is always "food", and when I list off choices, he usually just echoes them back to me). I understand that every child is different (with or without ASD), but are there things I can do at home to help him 'get started' on social skills, on language (get him a picture board, work with him on his speech by some particular method)? I've found huge lists of ASD books and products at Amazon, and I'm not sure which are really useful, especially for preschoolers... Any suggestions would be most welcome.
Anyway. Thank you all, so much, for sharing your own experiences in this thread, and on this board. I feel so grateful to have come across this site, as I already am coming to understand my little guy better.
I love him so, so much. I want so much to do everything right. I know that's really not possible, but I want to try, anyway.
Hi sdp, I'm an NT parent, not someone with AS, but since you don't have any replies yet I thought I'd chime in. The time waiting for the evaluations is difficult since it's, well, waiting and you want answers. You are fortunate to have a local person as a resource and that the school got right on the evaluation request. Be sure to make copies of all of your paperwork that you fill out and receive. Actually I make two: one to keep on file at home and one to take along to appointments in a 3 ring binder so I can access it easily when I need it.
I'm not familiar enough with the books specific to ASD's to give recommendations but I will offer two pieces of advice. The first is to take a good look at what are the biggest areas of struggle for your son and find some ways to start working on those. Many kiddos do get frustrated with the speech/language problems so if you can work out some means of communication for those things that will be encountered everyday, that would be a good starting place. Picture systems are usually helpful for the little ones, whether that is for things like foods or schedules since many struggle with transitions. I would really put issues that are causing *him* problems at the top of the list.
The second piece of advice is even though it's important to do your research and address issues, it's equally important to just be a parent and a child. It's easy to get all wrapped up in assessments and therapies and reading. Take time out to love him up good because he'll only be four once.
Oh, one book you might want to read before going into the evaluations is "The Out of Sync Child" by Carol Kranowitz. It's about sensory issues and primary specialists are not always good about recognizing those so it's a good area to read up on in advance of the first appointment.
The book that has helped me the most has been "The Explosive Child" by Ross Greene. Through it I learned to change my parenting style so I could meet my son where he was, which is what he needed to make progress in the areas of tantrums and inflexibility.
I guess that's four pieces of advice, not two.
I talked to him last night about growing up, and what we need to work on. He's gotten a little more open about discussing his AS, and what affect it has on him. My take on it is that this is going to make things harder for him, but not impossible. He simply has more to overcome than some. He got his midsemester report, and he has all B's with just a C in math, which makes me very happy, and I told him that.
What I don't get about the math - he gets it, he understands it, and he knows it. He just can't *do it*. Not in class anyway. He comes home with his papers, I give him the same problem with different numbers, he solves it right away, and correctly. I can't figure it out. What is it with math and aspies? They either seem to be almost savant with it, or nearly incapacitated by it?
Well, it could be numerous things:
Not being able to generalize
Too noisy in class
Abuse (a.k.a bullying but apart from reference, I refuse to beat around the bush and am determined to call a spade a spade.) directed at him in school.
Try giving him exactly the same problem, same numbers but at home. See what happens.
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Has anyone done a spiral notebook with situations in there and do's and dont's???? Has a thread been started on this subject? I like the idea???'
This is what brings me here. My son is 21 and we've understood about AS for about 5 years. He's progressed through life and many of his problems have improved or resolved to where he can function in school, at a basic job, taking care of shopping and cooking. It's the social skills that still totally stump him. Today I suggested he ask a coworker a specific question as a way of starting a discussion and having some interaction. What he needs is more ideas of what to do, as he cannot generalize a behavior to a new situation or think of another thing to discuss having learned one topic that is workable.
What are some things you or your kids have used as ice breakers, ways of interacting that are comfortable? My son cannot make friends because he has little to no interest in or curiosity about other people. When he does make a friend he enjoys the company but inevitably drives them away by getting too intense and expecting them to be with him too much. He needs to learn to pace it and how to do it in stages rather than leaping into constant demands.
BTW I put the above quote in quotations because I don't know how to post a quote on this board. Where are those instructions?
Please forgive me if I'm wandering. What I'm wondering is, other than getting support from the school system and waiting for a real dx (so our insurance will cover additional occupational therapy/speech/whatever he needs), what can I do now? I'm reading everything I can find on the subject, working to educate myself, but what can I do for him? He's very young and his echolalia makes it hard for me to understand what he wants and needs (for example, I never know what he wants to eat -- his answer is always "food", and when I list off choices, he usually just echoes them back to me). I understand that every child is different (with or without ASD), but are there things I can do at home to help him 'get started' on social skills, on language (get him a picture board, work with him on his speech by some particular method)? I've found huge lists of ASD books and products at Amazon, and I'm not sure which are really useful, especially for preschoolers... Any suggestions would be most welcome.
Anyway. Thank you all, so much, for sharing your own experiences in this thread, and on this board. I feel so grateful to have come across this site, as I already am coming to understand my little guy better.
I love him so, so much. I want so much to do everything right. I know that's really not possible, but I want to try, anyway.
I used to do that replying "Food" and echoing choices skit when I was little.
Sometimes, it was because I didn't particularly care.
Others, I got distracted by the constant flucation.
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I guess what I'm going to do for my 15 yr old girl is possibly apply a little bit from each philosophy. Maybe leave her alone to be who she is, but at the same time her mom and I need to continue to forcibly teach our daughter social cues.
Here's an insane idea. How about you have times during the day where you leave your DD to be who she is and times where you apply the other philosophy?
You may find your DD is more receptive if you have set times for each.
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What I don't get about the math - he gets it, he understands it, and he knows it. He just can't *do it*. Not in class anyway. He comes home with his papers, I give him the same problem with different numbers, he solves it right away, and correctly. I can't figure it out. What is it with math and aspies? They either seem to be almost savant with it, or nearly incapacitated by it?
You know, math was always incomprehensible to me. I scored in the 99.99% percentile on almost all subjects on all those standardized tests, but I'd come dragging in at a 50%-60% in the math areas every time no matter how much I studied. I can do it while someone is showing me step by step, but can't afterwards. Other than basic math (add, subtract, multiply, divide) I mean. Those I can handle in my sleep.
I think it was the way I was taught math. About 20 years ago I studied to be an elementary school teacher (boy, was THAT a mistake!) and had to take a class on how to teach math. I ended up learning so much more from that class than I did from all my schooling - the teacher used a variety of methods to get to an end on a particular problem. Anything was fair game, as long as the answer came out right. Did much better on the math problems in that class, since I can intuit a lot of stuff. If memory serves, when I was in elementary and high school, everything was by rote method. It just never stuck, for whatever reason.
For your son. Well, he has to take the math to finish school. But I have to tell you, in 30+ years in the workforce I've never had to do a quadratic equation, so.....
Ever had to do pythagoras' theorem?
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I'm sorry I was not very specific in my post. He was not grounded for the art camp incident. He was grounded for fighting with his brother at home.
I respect your post immensely and I assure you, I do try to be supportive of him at all times. Believe me, I have been at his middle school more than 20 times in the last year and they have now pegged me as a "difficult" parent and have revoked his transfer because of that.
I totally understand his need for understanding. I do that at home. I negotiate with him on a minute by minute basis.
I guess my question shouild have been more accurately expressed as how do you get teachers, camp counselors, etc... to understand his needs and understand how to deal with him.
I can explain and explain to people, but like you said, they see his need for explanation as being disrespectful. They see his inability to communicate in times of stress as being noncompliant. I guess I'm just curious how to get him past some of those issues so that he can communicate in the NT world.
I mean, when you get a job, most bosses aren't going to explain to you why you need to do something, they just expect you to do it. The police officers aren't going to explain to you why you need to "FREEZE", they are just going to shout freeze and then shoot. This may be an absurd analogy, but that is my big question - HOW do I get him to understand that there are times when you just have to do what someone tells you regardless of your questions.
I've always told him - do whatever your teacher says and then if you question it, come home and tell me and I'll deal with it. Meaning, the teacher deserves respect and if something they are telling you is wrong, I should be the one to deal with it. And I will!! He knows that.
The school illegally restrained him earlier in the year because he refused to leave a classroom b/c he needed to finish a test. Well, when I finally found out about it, I guarantee you, I threw a fit and raised all kinds of HECK!! ! Even though I risked losing my own job ( I teach Special Ed in the same district he attends).
It just seems that he is getting worse and worse about not doing anything he doesn't WANT to do. It's really difficult especially since I have a 6 yr old and 9 yr old that don't understand why he gets away with stuff they don't.
It is just frustrating as a mom to see him so miserable so often and having so much trouble functioning in a NT world. I guess I was just looking for advice on how to help him cope.
Anna, I was not offended in any way by any of your posts. I admire your passion!! !
I just wish my son was as verbal about his feelings as some of the people on this board.
He loves to talk, just not about anything anyone else is interested in.
Thanks!! !
Try sticking him on the computer and getting him to type the problem up.
That way he's not distracted by having to worry about any of the social rule
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