Not a cure, just appropriate support
It does help to have more of the picture. Earlier it sounded to me like you were saying he'd lost his knowledge of words, but from this description I think it's clear he hasn't, since he can bring you an item you request verbally. He still has the comprehension; he just doesn't use the words as much as he used to. I bet he understands almost everything you tell him, even if he doesn't show a response.
I suspect that what was going on with the words is similar to what went on with the puzzles. He used the words a lot when he was experimenting with them and learning how to say them. He solved the puzzles when he was trying to figure out puzzles. After a while he knew the words and knew how to solve the puzzles, so there wasn't much point in doing them any more. As you say, he doesn't see the purpose.
But that's not really regression; it's actually progress that he's learned those things and is ready for new things. He still looks at the puzzle pieces because he thinks there may be more to understand about them. And I think it's clear he's ready for new things given how you say he likes change.
Given this additional information, I agree it sounds more like autism. But I also think that, for example, his being happy is part of his autism, part of why he doesn't speak much, and a 'cure' that caused him to speak more might do so by removing that happiness.
It doesn't sound like that's what you really want. What you want is more akin to additional learning: you'd like him to get to the point where it's easier for him to ask you for things verbally, because that might be quicker and more convenient for both of you; you'd like him to be progressing on to more difficult puzzles, perhaps, and you'd like to be more confident about his understanding what you say. And of course some of that learning may be on your part, and not just on his.
Yeah you're right, I just really want him to be able to focus, understand and learn, I don't want a 'different' kid, even though enhancing those abilities would in fact make him a little different. For example the ability to impart to him why we need him to become toilet trained and whats involved as an example. I have no doubt it will happen eventually through the long slog, but on a reasonable time scale would be better for us (and all the other collective bottom wipers!).
Most people who find this board haven't gotten that immersed in the language culture, as far as I can tell. Much of the time they've barely started their journey, much less figured out who stands for what.
I had no idea that the subject of a cure was such a controversial topic, or I may have tread a bit more lightly, perhaps I would have continued to lurk a bit longer or just avoided that topic altogether.

But I'm eager for answers. I don't 100% trust a doctor or a therapist to understand what makes my son tick, and how to reach him effectively without causing him great distress.
I figure if anyone knows autism it would be people who live with it every day.
I want to understand my son's stims. I feel that they serve some purpose, but I don't know what that purpose is, or if he is in distress. He certainly doesn't seem to be in distress, as a matter of fact he seems his happiest when he's pacing aimlessly flipping his wooby( boating twine) around and humming.
Stims are not my biggest concern, but I think it's one of the things that may be holding him back the most, because that's really all he does from the moment he wakes. There's so much "noise" around him, I can't seem to get in and his therapists don't seem to be doing any better.

I think that some of the parents here may have an overly rosy view of how autistic children are typically treated in greater society. Parents in this forum have largely come around to the viewpoint that their children are worthwhile people, worthy of being raised as they are. That's not true in greater society. Many parents do view having an autistic child as a burden. When they aren't able to change the child to be who they want, they take some of their frustration out on the child. Many autistic children are neglected or outright abused.
Given that we can't keep those parents from having children in the first place, I would prefer for them to be bringing up children that they will value and treat well, rather than children they will resent and mistreat. If there are parents who would love to have a brunette child but would resent and possibly abuse a redhead, I'd rather they had the child they will love and treat well.
NTs can be cruel and hateful to other NTs, so at the heart of it, they don't really discriminate (Aspie, Downy, poverty, acne, nerd, pure unadulterated jealousy...pick a target and shoot). If they are the kind of person that will target another person for sport, that speaks to their character. We all live among them and have to endure them at some point. Some more than others unfortunately.
As far as parents being neglectful or abusive to a child simply because they aren't the child they wanted...again, this speaks to the character of the person, and as far as I'm concerned I'd rather people who are inclined to neglect and abuse not have any children at all.
Most people who find this board haven't gotten that immersed in the language culture, as far as I can tell. Much of the time they've barely started their journey, much less figured out who stands for what.
I had no idea that the subject of a cure was such a controversial topic, or I may have tread a bit more lightly, perhaps I would have continued to lurk a bit longer or just avoided that topic altogether.

But I'm eager for answers. I don't 100% trust a doctor or a therapist to understand what makes my son tick, and how to reach him effectively without causing him great distress.
I figure if anyone knows autism it would be people who live with it every day.
I want to understand my son's stims. I feel that they serve some purpose, but I don't know what that purpose is, or if he is in distress. He certainly doesn't seem to be in distress, as a matter of fact he seems his happiest when he's pacing aimlessly flipping his wooby( boating twine) around and humming.
Stims are not my biggest concern, but I think it's one of the things that may be holding him back the most, because that's really all he does from the moment he wakes. There's so much "noise" around him, I can't seem to get in and his therapists don't seem to be doing any better.

Stims are his best friend. A coping mechanism. A balancing and focusing factor. More stims indicate more distress from the environment, a reduction means the environment is going easier on him. Tics would be different, they are not voluntary, but stims are chosen. They help your child take his mind to a happy place. Don't be afraid of them, and don't try to train your child out of them. That is a biggie you can only learn from our members here who have AS.
Someday maybe you can teach him time and place, so that it is all more socially acceptable, but for now try seeing them with a new eye.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Stims are his best friend. A coping mechanism. A balancing and focusing factor. More stims indicate more distress from the environment, a reduction means the environment is going easier on him. Tics would be different, they are not voluntary, but stims are chosen. They help your child take his mind to a happy place. Don't be afraid of them, and don't try to train your child out of them. That is a biggie you can only learn from our members here who have AS.
Someday maybe you can teach him time and place, so that it is all more socially acceptable, but for now try seeing them with a new eye.
I stim a little bit and have to say that's a well worded explanation.

Even if it seems like you're not getting through, he may be taking in far more than you know! This video might help to show you just what I mean .... the young man in this video is autistic and blind, at one point he even puts his fingers in his ears and makes sounds looking quite upset while a woman sings a song he's never heard before in Latin ... he then proceeds to play it on the piano while singing it back to her. All I have to do is think of him when I have doubts that anything I say or do is getting through to my son.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCF1xSgyKXg
I apologise for offending you. I am going by what i have been told (i am a very new parent to this) and the fact is - my son IS EXTREMELY sullen. He always has been.
I don't think thats an Aspie trait, just a trait. Is he really sullen or just appears to be that way? Generally I would characterise sullen-ness as pulling a sour face, being in an apparent bad mood, and being silent except for the occasional emotional outburst.
I don't much like the idea of pre-natal testing. It's not the testing for profound disabilities or conditions which are incompatible with life (had a friend who's 18 week scan showed her baby was anencephalic, and she had to choose between a late termination and birthing at term a baby who would be still born or who would die shortly after birth), but what about the grey areas? What about if your baby will be born the wrong gender, or with a predisposition to depression? I don't envy anyone having to make that sort of decision, and sometimes I think there is such a thing as too much choice.
On to the discussion at hand - cure or appropriate support and access to services? Having worked with people with profound disabilities, including those in wheelchairs wearing incontinence pads and being PEG fed, I would love to see a cure, or a prenatal intervention which would correct the mostly horrendous lack of quality of life that these people and their families endure. I don't believe in life at any cost. I worked in a service for families where the adult children with disabilities would go to respite while their elderly parent would get respite in a dementia unit on the same property. Respite beds are often "blocked" because of long term disabled people being "dumped" in respite when there are no available group home places. Hospital beds are also often blocked by people with disabilities who's parents have found they can no longer cope at home and there are no available group home beds. In NSW, your situation has to be pretty grim before you're considered for a group home placement, and there is also the plight of young people who have no other choice because of their disability, than to be placed in a nursing home for the elderly.
However, those are the extreme cases. Often it's the death of the main caregiver which leads to the tragic situation where an adult child who has lived with their parents suddenly having to be placed elsewhere. For autistic people, the change is incredibly stressful, behaviours often emerge which require intense intervention for a long period of time. It's one of the reasons I'd urge all people with children who have profound disabilities to start using residential respite services while your child is still young. It's so difficult to suddenly have to take someone from the family home into permanent group home care if they've never experienced being away from their family.
My son has high functioning autism. I believe that he is a very talented and intelligent young man, and hopefully the situation he's in now (very depressed and housebound) will resolve in time, and he will be capable of living independently and going to university, or getting a job which interests and satisfies him. I even hope that he'll find a special person just for him, who he is comfortable being intimate with. I have the same aspirations for him as I have for my other 4 children. To suggest that he could be cured is to suggest that he's not acceptable the way he is, and I wholeheartedly love and respect and accept him as a unique individual who just happens to be autistic. While I'd never admit it, I have learned far more from my son than from any education or any other person. He challenges conventional thought and social behaviour. I love our deep and meaningfuls, when he's in the right frame of mind to have them. I love the way he's challenged me as a parent, using all my skills as a human being to support him and from time to time, convince him to do something he doesn't feel makes sense, but need to be done. The things that we understand intuitively, often need to be explained at length. He catches on fast normally, and no matter what my explanation is, he often comes up with his own novel reason for doing something that needs to be done for the health and happiness of all people, not just for himself.
I don't like labels. We really only pursued a diagnosis because it was the way to get extra funding for an aide for him at school. I have always tried to use the diagnosis as a tool to liberate him, rather than to put him in a pigeon hole with a whole bunch of rules and restrictions.
I don't think we'll ever have equality until every car space and public toilet is accessible to a person with a disability. This is one of the most profoundly symbolic sentence of inclusion that I have come across. I know it's not practical or probable, but while we still have "disabled" car spaces and "disabled" public toilets, we've a long way to come for real acceptance and inclusion.
That sounds like good advice. In fact my little man has just been away for his first 'holiday' without us. Two of our friends and their four kids (two families) were staying at a beachhouse, an hour from home so they wanted to take him with them, he knows them all very well, so hes just been up there for 3 nights without us. Prior to that he had only ever overnighted at his Grandmas. Apparently it went extremely well,and he seems to have even been happier there than at home, where its a bit boring I guess!
We were very anxious about how he would be.
We very much want him to - with the right support - be part of the people and community around here, and get used to changes. And we want people around here to know him, and accept and understand him and include him in things.
I get to see him in 30 minutes, it will interesting to see his reaction to being home and seeing me.
I don't think thats an Aspie trait, just a trait. Is he really sullen or just appears to be that way? Generally I would characterise sullen-ness as pulling a sour face, being in an apparent bad mood, and being silent except for the occasional emotional outburst.
Maybe sullen was the incorrect term for his mood....he is always sad.....sometimes miserable.
[quote="anni"]I don't much like the idea of pre-natal testing. It's not the testing for profound disabilities or conditions which are incompatible with life (had a friend who's 18 week scan showed her baby was anencephalic, and she had to choose between a late termination and birthing at term a baby who would be still born or who would die shortly after birth), but what about the grey areas? What about if your baby will be born the wrong gender, or with a predisposition to depression? I don't envy anyone having to make that sort of decision, and sometimes I think there is such a thing as too much choice.
Anni- My first born was induced at 6 months gestation, they found he had severe spina bifida and life expectancy was very poor. My husband and i had to make that decision knowing full well that we were ending a life, and it was our first borns. It was indeed the toughest decision i have ever made. Labour and a funeral to follow, as well as milk for feeding with no prize to take home and feed, horrendous. It was 8 years ago today infact, and is bittersweet for us now having had 2 more beautiful sons. I agree there is too much choice, howevwer some choices are necessary as you say , where life expectancy and quality is limited.
such a great post from you- thankyou for sharing
Kel x
Someday maybe you can teach him time and place, so that it is all more socially acceptable, but for now try seeing them with a new eye.
I notice that there are times when he's not stimming at all, but I can't figure out what has shifted in the environment, activity, etc. that has "calmed" his movements. If I could identify it, I would most certainly try to attain that atmosphere on a consistent basis for him. It's tiring just to watch him, he seems to be in constant motion in some form or another. How he doesn't drop from exhaustion is beyond me. Last week I was doing some housework and noticed that the humming/droning had stopped. The silence alerted me that something was amiss, and sure enough, he had gotten out of the house. I found him in my flower beds eating mulch.

As far as his stimming in public....let the NTs stare all they like, that's their hangup. Once the staring becomes an issue for Eric, then we can work on "quiet hands".
My son ate a lot of dirt too! In pregnancy they call eating odd things "pica". I wonder if that's the case with our kids? I know my mother, while pregnant with me, had an irresistable urge to eat sand, and she used to pop around behind the bus stop and grab a handful to feed her craving. The way she described it was as if it was an irresistable urge to eat it. Makes my cravings for crusty roll and ice cream together sound rather normal!
Oh yes, he's perfectly content to eat things that are not food, and reject the things that are delicious and edible!! I'd bet if given a choice between marshmallows and a wad of cat hair, my kid would undoubtedly choose the cat hair!!
We took him to the beach last week and he was afraid of the sand, but that didn't stop him from grabbing a handful of it and stuffing it in his mouth. Ah but the look on his face when he was chewing it...priceless.
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