HELP! My Son Won't Go to School

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21 Oct 2013, 3:40 pm

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Ten...

That was one of the years I spent sicking out of school left and right. Bullies, rules that sure seemed to apply differently to me than to everyone else, friends that weren't even really friends, instructions I didn't understand...

...I wasn't exactly faking. Those headaches and stomachaches were, to be quite frank, psychosomatic.

Eventually, I got sick of doing the makeup work and missing even more instructions and having snowballing problems. About the time I turned 12, I started sucking it up and going to school. In seventh grade and beyond, I was the perfect attendance kid, the one who was so terrified of missing something or messing something up and who hated makeup work so much that she dragged ass to school with a temperature of 102 and what was, honestly, probably a terrible case of pneumonia. Teachers would be screaming, "GO HOME!! WE DON'T WANT YOUR GERMS!!" The next day, I'd be there with a bar of soap, cough drops, and a hanky to hack into, but I'd be there.


Man, I hope that's the way my son goes with this, too. His teachers all say that if it weren't for his behavior and lack of focus at school, he'd probably have skipped at least one grade by now.

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The first thing to do is try to figure out what, if anything, he's avoiding at school and try (good luck, hah) to address it.

The next step, to be quite frank, is either to accept that some days he just can't deal with it and let him stay home (work this out with the school to avoid issues with truancy law, or let him see you try and fail to work it out and then explain the situation to him as part of why he has to go, bullies and hazy skies and supercell storms notwithstanding), march him out the door kicking and screaming if necessary, or medicate him into compliance or put him in a special school.


Yeah, he was on ADD meds all last year, but toward the end of the year something happened where he could not have them for a week. His teachers all reported that his focus wasn't as good, but that his demeanor was SOOO much improved. He wasn't as easily frustrated or defiant, he was much happier at school. In fact, maybe too happy, as he became a class clown.

But we've kept him off the drugs this year. I don't know if it is better or worse. The most I can report is that we still have problems, but they are different problems now.



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21 Oct 2013, 3:46 pm

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I tried, last year, to punish my son for every single time he got out of line at school. By the end of the year, I had a sullen, deceitful, miserable, tearful little boy whose behavior had barely improved in some ways and was worse in others.

I had a happy kindergarten teacher-- and in-laws (whose kids all moved 1000+ miles away the minute they finished high school) who slapped me on the back and told me to stay the course-- but we paid for it tenfold with a miserable child, a miserable mother, and a miserable home.

This year, we're talking about misbehaviors. Having to sit on the front steps and discuss the situation with a chain-smoking mother is, apparently, more than punishment enough. He is, I hope, learning some alternative skills. I HATE explaining to the innocent, beautiful little snowflake that the rules apply differently to him than to typical kids and iterating and reiterating and reiterating that he must do things like tolerating subtle bullying with his hands in his pockets and his mouth shut-- but THAT'S LIFE.

Knowing he was going to come home and get berated and punished-- usually in a downward spiral as he grew more frustrated and messed up again while simultaneously being put under a microscope and watched much more closely than his sisters-- was just more stress than the kid could deal with. Too much to ask of anyone. I did it because that's pretty much the way society treats autistic kids, and people with ADHD, and folks with Tourette's, and folks with panic disorder-- you make it disappear or you pay and pay and pay. I still tell him that that's the way the world is...

...but I also let home be a safe place for him, the way I need home to be a safe place for me, the way anyone needs home to be a safe place for them.


You know, I am very peculiar about my home. It is my sanctuary. I don't like unexpected guests. It's my fortress of solitude, where all the problems of the world can be left at the door. I guess it is for him, too. I'd hate to ruin that for him. But I still have to be his Dad.



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21 Oct 2013, 3:47 pm

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...but I also let home be a safe place for him, the way I need home to be a safe place for me, the way anyone needs home to be a safe place for them.


I think this is so crucial for our kids, to have a place they can stim and touch and mumble or whatever. Recharge and gather the energy they need to face a less forgiving outside world. We saw a big difference when I decided to give up my house to my son's needs.


Okay, now I am starting to feel bad, like I've been doing the exact opposite of what I should be doing.



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21 Oct 2013, 3:49 pm

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CWA - This is an interesting approach. Is this what you do for all behavior issues, or just at school. I have to admit, it feels like doing nothing at all in some ways, but I am open-minded and desperate.


Pretty much. We sort of operate under the assumption that all "bad" behaviors fall into one of two categories:

1) Oblivious behaviors- things she does that are annoying, loud, disruptive, not socially "OK" but that she just doesn't understand, isn't in complete control of yet, and things that can be worked on. This would be things like blurting out in class, or monologuing for 10 minutes about roly polies when she was asked a math question. Bumping into people. Not knowing a peers name even though she's known them for 2 years. Rigidity. All those sorts of things.

2) Anxiety driven behaviors- tics, stims, and as she gets agitated, growling, extreme obstinance, aggression, violent behavior refusal to participate, refusal to do anything. Even some passive behaviors such as wanting to stay in bed, not talking at all, staring at the ceiling, sucking on her fingers etc... fall into this category. Her big tell is tongue clicking. There is always some, but when she gets agitated there is a lot more and it will pop in mid sentence, and if she's not talking you will get a ton of it. It's subtle.

In general, criticisim about, or "Working on" or trying to control things from #1 above builds up stress which leads to behaviors from #2. For example one day she was at the library reading a book. She is anal about keeping her spot. Anal is putting it mildly. PREviously she wouldn't even mark her spot, she would simply refuse to stop reading any book until she got to the end. Well, She knows she's anal about (now) it so her way to deal is to put a book mark in the book herself. MAkes sense. So she marked her spot and then her aid picked up the book. Her aid let the book mark fall out on accident. DD6 went ape %$#@. What it boiled down to was she worked so hard to control herself and not finish the book right there ( thats what she usually wanted to do so she wouldn't lose her spot) so she controlled herself, which was stressful for her and put the book mark in. But when it didn't work out, and her worst fear regarding this situation came to fruition, all that stress and anxiety exploded.

Pretty much EVERYTHING shakes out like that, at least with her. Now,if this library incident were to repeat, she would get to a point quickly where she wouldn't want to use a book mark, she wouldn't want to stop reading the book. IF there were more negative experiences surrounding books and the library she might get anxiety preceding these events to the point where, yes she would get stomach aches, etc... and eventually refuse to read or go to the library.

So punishing things like that, makes no sense. She already feels god awful. What am I punishing? Her emotions? YOu can't punish stress out of someone- if someone is anxious over a negative outcome to an event, adding more possible negative outcomes to that event is only going to make the situation worse, not better. Once I started laying off and said look "You have a green day and you WILL get this in game currency. If you have a red day you WILL get a hug, we don't even have to talk about it unless you want to. If you hit, kick, or bite anyone, you lose your electronics for two days."

Things have been SO much better. My general impression is that at least in her case, having a bad day was just as hard on her as it is on those around her. When She has a red day now she'll tell me what happened and not only will she tell me what she did to make the day red, she tells me WHY and what triggered some of her feelings, which is HUGE because then we can discuss them. She would never tell me that before. Before I would get the sheet from her teacher. See that she had a red day and the sheet would say "dd6 growled at her teacher and rubbed mashed potatoes on the table" (or whatever) and I would just punish those behaviors rather than trying to figure out wtf she felt the need to do that in the first place. Now she has whole weeks of green days at a time... and I'm going broke buying in game currency....


Yeah, my son is that way. When he has a bad day, he can never "remember" what happened. He really can't or doesn't like talking about that stuff. I wonder if we are making it worse by punishing him. If we're making it less likely he'll actually talk to us about what is going on.



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21 Oct 2013, 3:58 pm

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i did learn coping skills. it just took me longer. i now have a degree and i'm married with kids. life is good.


That is so good to hear. It gives me hope for my son. And it has been great to hear your and other Aspie's perspectives on this. My son is an inscrutible puzzle, and your perspective helps me imagine what he might be thinking.



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21 Oct 2013, 8:38 pm

It is always possible to simply state that what you have been doing isn't working and we're going to try something new to see if we can do this better. As long as you are breathing you have another chance.

It has been a long run of trial and error, regrouping and trial again in our family, but our daughter will soon be 13 and she is gaining insight, self-directed strategies for coping and improved problem-solving skills and social skills. There is still a lot for her to develop into as she matures but we feel good about where things are going (even on bad days we can still see progress)

Your concern and willingness to consider other options and strategies will go a long way for your child.

You mention that you still have to be the dad. That is true.

I had to come to terms with the fact that this child was going to change my perspective on "good" parenting. I care a lot less about report cards than I ever thought I would, I allow all of my children to choose more than many other parents I know are comfortable with and my child misses school once in a while because she needs a day to recharge. We are forging our own path for sure.



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22 Oct 2013, 6:23 am

Is it just Mondays? Perhaps ask his teacher for a list of the days activities on a Monday and show it to your lad... guage his reaction to each task on the list, maybe there is a class or something that is on the Mondays that he cant cope with right now, or simply cant cope with on a transition day (which Mondays invariably are).

For example, my boy HATED Mondays. Turned out it was because his school has assembly (whole school) on Mondays and the noise and commotion of 600 kids with teachers and a bunch of parents all in the one space was more than he could deal with but at the start he couldnt tell me that it was the assembly that disturbed him. It was like he didnt really get that it was the problem, he laid the problem on the whole day instead.

Once we clicked what the trigger was and arranged for him to enter quietly from the side when everyone was seated and quiet we found he stopped being so distressed. It will never be his favorite day but at least we can now work around the root cause.

Good luck, its not easy, but he is certainly worth the perseverance!



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22 Oct 2013, 11:25 am

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I had to come to terms with the fact that this child was going to change my perspective on "good" parenting. I care a lot less about report cards than I ever thought I would, I allow all of my children to choose more than many other parents I know are comfortable with and my child misses school once in a while because she needs a day to recharge. We are forging our own path for sure.


We're struggling with this as well, and so far we don't have any easy solutions or answers. We take it one morning at a time - in our case, we've removed as much outward stress (homework, going to aftercare) as possible, and I've been giving him more support to transition to school in the morning - which has now mostly been gradually removed, but even something seemingly minor like forgetting a name tag or not taking a lunchbox to school (on a day that he knew I was bringing lunch with me when I met him) are enough to create a rough morning.

On rough mornings, I just walk to school, with him following me, "I don't want to go to school, I told you I'm not feeling good. I have a headache, I have a stomach ache......" and if I continue walking, the anxiety increases, but he'll usually follow me. I just keep saying, "I know, it's ok,. If you still feel sick in a little while then you can go see the nurse and she'll call me to come get you. You should at least try to go to school."

Of course, when this happened this morning, the oh-so-unhelpful school counselor said, "Well, if you don't stop crying, you have to come to my office and then Principal Smith will come talk to you". Nice, threaten the kid with what he perceives as punishment when he's having a panic attack - good strategy (NOT). Fortunately, the primary school counselor was in the next room and did some deep breathing exercises with Colin and calmed him down enough to return to class.

Some mornings he's good. His classroom is very quiet, his teacher is very supportive and once he's in, he's usually good. But there is still a huge amount of stress for him to deal with and it's definitely a challenge to figure out what/how/where to lessen that stress and support him instead of just letting him flounder or even making the situation worse by expecting him to be able to just suck it up and get on with his day.

I've also very much changed my perspective on good parenting - for the better IMHO. I've tried demanding, bribing, threatening, punishing and none of that has worked so far. This is not the kind of relationship that I want with my kid anyway, or anybody else that I care about for that matter. Yes, I'm the mom. Yes, there are rules that we follow (he's a super rule follower at school - to the extreme). Yes, these are skills that he will need to negotiate the world for the rest of his life. I think it's vitally important that I listen to this kind of communication and try to figure out how to help him through it by being supportive and not a dictator - he's the one experiencing this life and expecting him to just pick up these coping skills by osmosis or without support is just unrealistic and ridiculous and that's the area we're not currently receiving any support at school.


[quote="CWA"] punishing things like that, makes no sense. She already feels god awful. What am I punishing? Her emotions? YOu can't punish stress out of someone- if someone is anxious over a negative outcome to an event, adding more possible negative outcomes to that event is only going to make the situation worse, not better.[quote]

I <3 this. And I love that your daughter is now able to express what triggers her - that is a huge step. My older son never had school avoidance issues like his younger brother, but him getting to the point of being able to identify those triggers and explain them AND then ask for help/support from ANYONE was a huge step. He's now able to ask for help from most teachers at school before he gets to the point of meltdown.



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22 Oct 2013, 12:25 pm

I urge parents to push children to do things outside comfort zone.

Anxiety becomes worse, not better, as child is allowed to avoid things that make him uncomfortable.

Also see if there are small changes at school that would help, but don't allow child to avoid things, because that is path to becoming lifelong anxious avoider of things.


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22 Oct 2013, 12:49 pm

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I urge parents to push children to do things outside comfort zone.

Anxiety becomes worse, not better, as child is allowed to avoid things that make him uncomfortable.

Also see if there are small changes at school that would help, but don't allow child to avoid things, because that is path to becoming lifelong anxious avoider of things.


My mom used to make me order my own food and pay for my own stuff.


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22 Oct 2013, 1:10 pm

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I urge parents to push children to do things outside comfort zone.

Anxiety becomes worse, not better, as child is allowed to avoid things that make him uncomfortable.

Also see if there are small changes at school that would help, but don't allow child to avoid things, because that is path to becoming lifelong anxious avoider of things.


My mom used to make me order my own food and pay for my own stuff.


Mine too. My parents made me do lots of things outside my comfort zone, and I was anxious about them, but they were never as bad as I had imagined in my mind.


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22 Oct 2013, 2:11 pm

Yes, you still have to be a Dad. And no, you cannot let the beloved little snowflake completely and totally get away with murder, even in the name of making home a safe place.

"Safe" doesn't mean that there are no rules, he's totally in control of the environment, and anything goes. The only environment I got to totally control (at least as long as no foul odors were issuing from it, no vermin infested it, and the door could still be shut) was my room. And there were still rules and things that didn't go in there.

It means something more like, "You are not going to be re-punished for the mistakes you made in the world today. At least, not unless we know for sure they were deliberately malicious, careless, or infernally stupid. There is a different set of rules here-- an easier set of rules here. We're going to help you figure out how to solve problems so you don't get punished out in the world so much, but the world does not get to make all the rules here."

And-- DON'T BEAT YOURSELF UP. Even if you weren't doing the right thing (and you may have been, 'cause nobody died and made BuyerBeware God yet), you were TRYING. Nobody gets out of this parenting biz without screwing up a few things royally. Kids bounce. It's more important that they see you screw up, acknowledge the screw up, and fix it than that they see you model how to do everything perfectly-- unless, of course, you plan on them growing up to be perfect :lol: :lol: . Et cetera.


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22 Oct 2013, 3:33 pm

Thanks for all the advice and support. I'll let you guys know what kind of a plan we come up with.



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24 Oct 2013, 5:38 am

Before we started homeschooling, we had so many problems with school with our son, and he did start having school-avoidance behaviors. Find out what is going on there. Go in and observe if you have to. You are apt to find all sort of things that you will look at as obvious problems that the school either does not understand or does not want to be bothered changing. You won't catch all of it b/c people's behaviors (Your son's, his teacher's and his classmates') will be altered by your presence. I would still be surprised if you found nothing. Your son's persistence strikes me as being more than just a transition issue. It may also be that he is happy during the weekend and the contrast between happy weekend and miserable school week are at its most obvious on Mondays.

I would analyze what he said about the behavior plan, very closely, to see what is going on with that, too. Do they punish him for things he cannot help, and therefore cannot change regardless of the incentive structure? Are the punishments proportional? Do they punish by taking away things he needs to de-stress? How can stress be lessened during his day? Is he having social issues that may not be bullying but that are stressing him out? Does he have executive function issues that no one is helping him with? Are his methods of de-stressing loud or disruptive, and they insist on him stopping it, without providing another outlet that he finds to be equivalent? Are things that they think are calming actually stressful for him?