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DW_a_mom
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31 May 2010, 2:17 am

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I agree that the boy should receive social skill training, but parents should NEVER be on Facebook. Period.


Do you mean on their child's facebook? Or that kids should not be on facebook?

I'm the one in the family with the facebook page ;) Private, of course.

I would rather my kids stay off it, but it isn't an issue because they don't want to be on it. You give away your privacy for data mining on facebook if you aren't careful, and I'd rather my kids not be data mined. They don't want to be, either.

All the experts tell you to friend your kids. It is also recommended to have copies of emails your kids receive sent to your account. We do the later, and my kids know I get copies but I have also promised not to open the copies, and I don't. It's just so I know who they are talking to. The kids are fine with all of that; they understand the reasoning. I didn't just do it; I checked in with them first.

As for the issue the OP is seeing, I would suggest this: remind him that he doesn't have to comment on the things people put up. If he wants to respond, a simple click on the "like" button will do. That reduces the potential for issues.

These years are really interesting with our kids, because they are behind their peers in social development on many levels. I don't think there is any way to hurry them through it; they aren't going to catch up through social skills training, because learning the lingo of their walking hormone peers isn't what social skills training does. My son does social skills work in speech and he sees that gapping hole pretty clearly. But, you know what? He's OK with it. He doesn't want to be "crazy" in the way he sees other kids his age being. He would like to be clued in on more of the slang, and we've discussed strategies for that, but he doesn't want to adopt it.

Not sure if I'm making any sense ... operating a little sleep deprived.


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31 May 2010, 8:14 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
gramirez wrote:
I agree that the boy should receive social skill training, but parents should NEVER be on Facebook. Period.


Do you mean on their child's facebook? Or that kids should not be on facebook?

IMO, parents should never be on their child's facebook, but they really shouldn't have their own facebook either. Facebook is for "young people". I DO respect that some parents would not want their kids to be on sites like that, but I also think it's important to teach responsibility and safety when it comes to the internet. Knowing what kinds of information to give out and what to keep private is incredibly important.


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31 May 2010, 12:01 pm

I am fortunate that our center has a social group where there are other children and the instructors teach them skills to interact. They also offer social coaching but it is mainly for adults. They take them out in public and so on.
Anyway DW_a_Mom is right it is not going to make him fit in with the typical pre teens but it if you can find a social group it might help him to connect to other aspies. I know that most places dont offer this but you can also look and see if there are support groups in your area and maybe find kids around his age. Or even have him post here instead of facebook, its good to commune with our fellow aspies. Birds of a feather kind of thing.



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31 May 2010, 12:04 pm

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How can I help him? Social stories are geared for young children but he's at the "Awkward Pre-teen" age where he's really gonna stand out.


The only way I've been able to help my teen (who was a pre-teen not long ago) is to be available as a coach for him, ask him lots of questions about his social life so I understand the situations he's dealing with, and then explain social situations to him in very clear and literal terms. Socializing in middle school has been a huge puzzle for him, but I can't follow him around, so I make an effort to talk with him every evening about how his day was at school and what types of problems he encountered. Also, facebook is not allowed yet. My feeling is that its just another complication that I will have to deal with. I do allow and encourage him to participate in the forums and chat-area of WP.



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31 May 2010, 1:19 pm

gramirez wrote:
I agree that the boy should receive social skill training, but parents should NEVER be on Facebook. Period.


When I signed up for Facebook, at my mother's request, I did not see any indication that it was a site only for non-parents. In fact it requires that anybody signing up bet at least 13 and at that age they have to have legal permission from a parent or guardian and the parent/guardian has to have access to their page. I'm sure there are ways around that, but they are illegal and dishonest.

I don't think you can possibly have any reasonable demand for banning all parents from Facebook. Perhaps they should up the age and make it grownups only. I would rather they did not, but it's a more reasonable request than disallowing parents. Ridiculous.



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31 May 2010, 2:10 pm

gramirez wrote:
IMO, parents should never be on their child's facebook, but they really shouldn't have their own facebook either. Facebook is for "young people".


thats just plain silly. facebook is a great way to keep in contact with those you dont live near. i keep in contact with my siblings who live up to 4k miles away on facebook, reconnected with a friend i had been trying to find for nearly 10 years, and chat with old friends i havent seen in 20 years.

that argument reminds me of a conversation i heard this morning, as my 6 yr old was talking to his 4 yr old brother. "Daddy is 38. And Mommy is 38. They are WAY old."

im not sure how old "WAY old" is, but im pretty sure its not flattering, and no where near accurate.

you are only as old as you feel.



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31 May 2010, 2:28 pm

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that argument reminds me of a conversation i heard this morning, as my 6 yr old was talking to his 4 yr old brother. "Daddy is 38. And Mommy is 38. They are WAY old.".



Wow, Im 42...I should be dead by now :lol: !



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31 May 2010, 2:51 pm

I believe there are sites that are for young people only, but Facebook is not one of them. I can't imagine where kids get ideas like that. Someone posted something like that on my neices page one day. I was flabbergasted. I'm pretty sure the average age of people on facebook is upwards of 30. I think it's sad for kids to be so self centered they don't see beyond their own peer group. What a lot they are missing.



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31 May 2010, 2:52 pm

liloleme wrote:
azurecrayon wrote:
that argument reminds me of a conversation i heard this morning, as my 6 yr old was talking to his 4 yr old brother. "Daddy is 38. And Mommy is 38. They are WAY old.".



Wow, Im 42...I should be dead by now :lol: !


I'm 46...and a half! It's a miracle I can still type.



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31 May 2010, 2:55 pm

My daughters tell me that Facebook is for old people and My Space is for kids :scratch: ! I guess it depends on which kid your are talking to. I like Facebook too I get to talk to my brother and some old friends that I found who I havent talked to in like 20 years.



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31 May 2010, 4:17 pm

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I think plenty NT folks also do a lot of "lamebook" stuff on facebook, myself included :oops: Maybe not lamebook worthy, but facebook fails are pretty common anyway. The fact he's got an account and people add him I'd put along the lines of being in pretty ok shape socially. That being said, I'm not letting any of my kids on it until they're in high school-- that's *my* social network!


Interesting that you are not going to let your kids go on until high school. I'm beginning to think that would be a good way to go for my own son, who is a very young 11. Although he has friends who are on Facebook, I'm thinking offline is the best way for him to connect. But I may be wrong...other thoughts from others?


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31 May 2010, 5:25 pm

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MsLeeLoo wrote:
I think plenty NT folks also do a lot of "lamebook" stuff on facebook, myself included :oops: Maybe not lamebook worthy, but facebook fails are pretty common anyway. The fact he's got an account and people add him I'd put along the lines of being in pretty ok shape socially. That being said, I'm not letting any of my kids on it until they're in high school-- that's *my* social network!


Interesting that you are not going to let your kids go on until high school. I'm beginning to think that would be a good way to go for my own son, who is a very young 11. Although he has friends who are on Facebook, I'm thinking offline is the best way for him to connect. But I may be wrong...other thoughts from others?


If you're going to let him on at age 11 he's going to have to lie about his birthday. If a kid gets themselves on Facebook at that age they must set up a dummy email address and pretend to be their own parent and give themselves permission to do it. Not exactly brain surgery for them to figure out. I've had these same goofball kids tell me I don't belong on Facebook because I'm too young. Hello? I didn't have to lie and pretend to be my mother to get on.

I found a little girl on there who looked like she was maybe 9. She was scantily dressed and posing in provocative ways. She sent me a friend request because of some game we both played. The first picture I saw of her looked a little off but I wasn't sure. I went to her page and saw what was going on. Old men were telling her to pose "nicer" and saying "Oh, I like that outfit can you bend over more" and stuff like that. I reported it and she disappeared. I truly hope they tracked down her parents and got her some help. These guys were bald and in their thirties and forties, hadn't even pretended to be kids or anything.



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31 May 2010, 6:23 pm

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He knows it was deleted give me a break. He was there and we talked about social vs fact. You're right he's 12 but he's very factual and gotten a lot of grief from kids about his differences.

I hope you explained what "hot" meant?



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01 Jun 2010, 7:08 am

I realized I forgot to mention that fact. We don't have a lot of social training for kids here with aspergers under the age of 13 at present and I don't have health insurance so anything there is costs lots of money we just don't have to afford at the moment.

I wasn't mad but surprised that me and my husband were the only thats didn't know. But I guess they say the parents are the "last" to know.

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I certainly dont think that monitoring your kids online is a bad thing but in your first post you did not specify that you and your son spoke about deleting his posts. You just said you deleted it.
I think it depends on your child and you and his relationship but if it were me I would be very upset that my Mom was trying to "fix" my social screw ups just because its embarrassing. He is still young though and this may not bother him.
I know how hard it is to watch your kids grow up and see them making mistakes and not being able to fix them....but you really cant fix them in this way!
I have AS and I have one 17 year old daughter who is also, a 7 year old son, and a 5 year old daughter with Autism....just in case that comes into question. I also have one 22 year old son who is bi polar and a 20 year old daughter who is NT.
If your son is saying these things online Im sure he is verbalizing them at school and you cant delete that. I know that you want to protect him from being ridiculed but you cant follow him around all day.
You might want to look into social groups or social coaching. Usually a one on one therapy like social coaching is covered by insurance. My 7 year old has gotten a lot out of his social group and has even made a friend with a older boy next door (he seems to get on better with older kids). I offered the social coaching to my 17 year old but since she has recently been diagnosed she is not interested as she is still coming to terms with a lot right now. She knows its an option if she needs it.
Anyway, I hope I didnt make you mad as well and I wish you and your son luck in getting through this difficult period. Puberty sucks all the way around.



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01 Jun 2010, 7:10 am

My version was better than my husbands side comment to me.

I said she's saying doesn't she look good. My husband whispered I think the kids heads are swelling these days lol.

I found a book a basic idiosms but I realize some things he'll learn as he goes.


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kdeering75 wrote:
He knows it was deleted give me a break. He was there and we talked about social vs fact. You're right he's 12 but he's very factual and gotten a lot of grief from kids about his differences.

I hope you explained what "hot" meant?



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01 Jun 2010, 7:23 am

As you were when you posted I am now operating on little sleep (child sick all nite). The thing is kids know how to sign up to facebook and most of the kids in his class have it and I don't want to take it away from him at the risk of a meltdown but now I monitoring will happen. Thankfully he hasn't used it in 2 weeks. And I've told him there's no problem him playing games on facebook (even I do that) but maybe just to see what kind of comments are posted by kids his age as related to pictures and others postings. Maybe he can learn from it and I've glanced over some his friends stuff since most have an open facebook and it's harmless stuff.

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gramirez wrote:
I agree that the boy should receive social skill training, but parents should NEVER be on Facebook. Period.


Do you mean on their child's facebook? Or that kids should not be on facebook?

I'm the one in the family with the facebook page ;) Private, of course.

I would rather my kids stay off it, but it isn't an issue because they don't want to be on it. You give away your privacy for data mining on facebook if you aren't careful, and I'd rather my kids not be data mined. They don't want to be, either.

All the experts tell you to friend your kids. It is also recommended to have copies of emails your kids receive sent to your account. We do the later, and my kids know I get copies but I have also promised not to open the copies, and I don't. It's just so I know who they are talking to. The kids are fine with all of that; they understand the reasoning. I didn't just do it; I checked in with them first.

As for the issue the OP is seeing, I would suggest this: remind him that he doesn't have to comment on the things people put up. If he wants to respond, a simple click on the "like" button will do. That reduces the potential for issues.

These years are really interesting with our kids, because they are behind their peers in social development on many levels. I don't think there is any way to hurry them through it; they aren't going to catch up through social skills training, because learning the lingo of their walking hormone peers isn't what social skills training does. My son does social skills work in speech and he sees that gapping hole pretty clearly. But, you know what? He's OK with it. He doesn't want to be "crazy" in the way he sees other kids his age being. He would like to be clued in on more of the slang, and we've discussed strategies for that, but he doesn't want to adopt it.

Not sure if I'm making any sense ... operating a little sleep deprived.