My name is Khan. Worst AS film ever?

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All I can say is that Zakat was not voluntary. As for Jihad, you can't always be in war; so its more applied definition comes with one's self-identity crisis and the strive to make yourself better.

As for blood money, that is going into local sub-cultures and their extremes that I am too far dislocated to ever understand.

daspie, your ignorance about Islam is quite laughable. If you're going to come on here, please have your facts straight. You only make yourself look foolish when a simple google search will allow you to at least appear knowledgable.

Firstly, were you there when the Qur'an was being revealed and know the order of the revelation? Are you a scholar who has knowledge of asbabul-nuzool (reasons for revelation)? I don't think so. That is the main reason so many non-Muslims (and Muslims too) quote verses and have no idea the reason and situation those verses were revealed as well as what situations they are intended to be practiced.

My favorite is the 'kill them wherever you find them' verse. That verse was a commandment on how to fight in a legislated battle (not the foolishness going on with the ignorant suicide bombers and other extremists). Last time I checked any military officer in any country is trained in this basic principle of battle. You hear the verse quoted as if any able bodied Muslim is supposed to go find a non-Muslim and slaughter him as a religious duty. If they aren't doing it, 'they obviously must be neglecting that part of the religion'. That is insanity, and Islam is free from this. Any Muslim who knows a LITTLE tiny bit of Islam knows what this verse is talking about. The problem is the very ones committing these atrocities are the very ones who are EXTREMELY ignorant (some completely illiterate and wouldn't know the difference between the Qur'an and a song on the radio). Unfortunately, when you have outsiders trying to interpret things wrong, you get confusion. Could you imagine someone walking in off the street, seeing a snapshot of what's going on in your home, and drawing conclusions about all the 'evil' things taking place there?

As for zakaat, you're wrong again. Zakat is one of the five pillars of Islam that almost every Muslim male or female, adult or child can tell you this. It is obligatory on every Muslim to pay it who has the ability. That ability means that their wealth has to have reached the nisaab. The nisaab is the minimum threshold you must have in your possession in order for it to become an obligation. Zakaat is only payable on your excess wealth. It is 2.5% of money you are not using for your needs for that year. If you are impoverished, it is not due upon you.

As for the jizyah tax that the non-Muslims pay, this tax is levied just like we pay taxes to receive the services of the state.

Another thing that you may benefit greatly from doing is to research into Islamic history. There were many instances where oppressed people wrote to and pleaded with the Muslim controlled areas to come in to govern their lands. They knew that the Muslims wouldn't oppress them like their leadership was doing. That goes against what the media likes to portray the convert or die lies so you won't hear about that type of stuff. They didn't come in and slaughter everything moving. They were prohibited from killing non-combatants, killing livestock, leveling places of worship, burning fields, and other atrocities common in 'modern' warfare.

You also never hear about the significant contributions Islam made to the the secular world. At one time, you couldn't even learn about Math and medicine unless you learned Arabic and traveled to the Middle East. The vast majority of people in the world have no idea about this and it is purposely left out.

I'm sorry if I got too off topic, but this type of ignorance needs to be refuted.

First of all if it was the precondition to be there to discuss these things then we better burn our libraries in Islamic style. The first highlighted part is illogical as Islam is supposed to be, as it says and proclaimed by its preachers, for eternity so any thing preached by it should not depend upon what happened then. People use this argument to justify Muhammad marrying a 6 years old girl,ayesha, and consummating the marriage when she turned 9. Did allah not know that was physically and mentally unhealthy for a child to have sex or did he tell muhammad that you can do but do not let it happen in the modern era, 9 is the leagal age of marriage in many Islamic counties.
Regarding the second highlighted part.
Yes, many don't have this idea, but in opposite sense. After every terrorist attack here in India and elsewhere muslims apologists quote "nice" verses from quran. And people gleefully believe them to get a false sense of security while the truth is that these verses have been abrogated. This is the link1
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There is no point in saying that their context is important. The violence in Islam is not a new phenomenon it happened in different places of world in different times. So, it is not a wave either it's inspiration that comes from a source which was available in all those places and at different times and that is the quran. And even if the violence is the result of misinterpretation then we must better believe in it because we want to stop the violence.
See these links to know what Islam did to world's civilizations and India in particular.
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Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam therefor it is involuntary in theory that does not mean that it would be so also in practice which it is not.

See what muhammad did with non-muslims female captives.
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From what I can see history Islam did destruction. It destroyed thousands of temples in India and churches world wide and built mosques over them. It also burned libraries. Four libraries in India got burned and these were not small room libraries but huge universities one.
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It is idiotic to suggest that at some time one couldn't learn about Math and medicine unless one leaned Arabic and traveled to middle ease. India had a great tradition for science and maths. Google for it and you will know it. And even if it is true then how does it absolve Islam of it misdeeds? And how it is related to Islam just because it is about Arabic and middle east?
Your arguments sounds completely like rhetoric and devoid of logic and historical facts. I would have been surprised to know that you were an aspie. Of course there are aspies here who are like you basically wish full thinkers. If problem is difficult to handle, you have 10 million muslims in America and we have about 250 million here in India, then it doesn't exist.

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I see you have strong beliefs. Just know that you should not judge far past events through a modern eye. Especially things like slavery, concubines, and war. Especially marriage in a life-period where life-expectancy didn't go beyond 50; and she was 'promised' at 6 she actually married him at about 9 or 10; people through evolution/natural-selection were much more mature then too. All these things are taboos in modern civilization and do not carry over to blame.

As for the overall case you built there. I know many defense lawyers that would be able to show that individual events do not build guilt upon the innocent.

Islam is one of my special interests.

And what about violence from muslim world that continues uabated. Should I not judge that from past event. All those things are justified from koran whose revelation is a past event. Regarding child marriage, I do not think that even in 7th century a child of 9 was medically fit to be pregnant and 6 to be in a non sexual but platonic relationship. And even if she was fit then why allah did not tell muhammad to reveal that this age would not be appropriate after many centuries or that legal age of marriage would gradually increase?

This is a vague statement.

hehe, I was trying to cheat by being vague/witty and hoping it would kill the thread. 0_:D

How it could have killed the thread? In fact after my giant, informative and counter argumentative post you should see Momto S posting her reply.

I've seen the film with English subtitles and it's actually not as bad as you say. The film is likely made for Indian audiences so carries different social stereotypes to what westerners are probably used to. The prize for the worst film on autism is still Rainman.

Hi Daspie,
Apologies for the somewhat narrow minded perceptions here, we westerners are little unsophisticated with cultures that a few thousand years older than our own.

This really makes me quite irritated. Lots of Aspies on this forum have equally difficult problems in society yet are quick to make negative remarks about "autistic traits" as found in high functioning autistic kids/people. These same people then want to claim Savant geniuses, Temple Grandin, Einstein or Mozart as Aspies yet conveniently ignore all were non-verbal as children and would have had a HFA diagnosis in a clinic today.

Apology granted. In fact we Hindus were, and still are, unsophisticated with desert born Ideology like Islam as such ideologies could never originate in place like India which was highly endowed with natural resources.

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Most religions in the world can be presented in a negative light or a positive light.

Islam is nothing special in that respect. The manifestation of religion is largely dependent on the cultural perceptions and perspectives of it's followers and tends to change in place and time.

Then you need to study comparative theology .

Islam is one of the trinity of Abrahmic religions including Judaism and christianity. What they all share is an reinforcement of patriarchal social traits, hence their uptake among strongly patriarchal warlike societies in Europe, middle east and Africa. The more collectivist, matriarchal societies in Asia and India resisted their charms (or lack of). Islam and Christianity had a habit of being spread with the help of coercive persuasion (usually a shotgun or scimitar).

Yes I know Jesus was a pacifist, and modern western parliamentary democracy is a product of judeo-christian ethics but since we whiteys rule the world we also write the history books.

Well said.

As an aside, this thread made me interested in Snow Cake. I watched it on youtube and I cried a lot. I thought it was brilliant. Again it brought up the vast spectrum within HFA dx for me. My son's dx is HFA but he is far more functioning at age eight than Weaver's character in adulthood. Most people attempt to tell me what diagnosis my son has, or if I mention his HFA they suggest "it must be very mild" etc., because they are neither clinicians nor live in our world nor are they aware of all of the work we do together.

You say that as if you think it will change my mind.