Aspergers v Very High Intelligence
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At the time, I was actually strong for my age, though I wasn't into exercise. I also wasn't taught to swim in a regular way until a bit after that.
I would say try to keep her interested and get her GOOD teachers, if you can. THAT would have helped me.
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You sound like me too. I was speaking even earlier than my daughter as well. My mum would sit me in the front garden, in my pram, and I would freak out people passing by, as I asked them where they were going, etc. I used to make finger puppets and was very arty. I wish I had gone to art school, but I was encouraged to do something more acedamic (microbiology). I'm getting back into my art now that I'm in my late 30s.
But, I was extremely well behaved. My parents say I was a dream child and I got on with my work at school. I was called a 'snob' by my less conscientious classmates - being academic is never cool in Greater Glasgow.
It's funny that you should mention strength - I've just remembered that I used to arm wrestle with the boys and win. My daughter is very strong too - taking her hand when she doesn't want it to be taken is very difficult.
Thanks for your advice.
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Hi Everyone
Well, I went to school today and asked to make an appointment with the Head Teacher. One of the Depute Heads (Mr B) asked if he could help. I showed him my list. The Depute Head in charge of my daughter's year group came in (Mrs L). I'd spoken to her before and I felt she was quite dismissive of my concerns. Anyway, I asked if she'd noticed anything since our last discussion and she told me that she'd noticed quite a few things that were making my daughter stand out. She's one of 6 pupils in her class (of 32 with 2 teachers) that they've identified as having additional needs or being in need of allowances to be made - I didn't know this until today. She said that my daughter was very 'out there' - I think she meant she has a huge personality. She also mentioned that sometimes my daughter says something quite unexpected, though not wrong, which is just like her. She also said that she's very clever and will do well. Both DHs agree that I've reason to have my concerns and can see Aspergers traits in her. Several months have passed since my last meeting with Mrs L, when I mentioned Aspergers, and I think she's been more observant since then.
Mrs L suggested getting an assessment by the educational psychologist and asked if I was OK with that. I'm over the moon about it. She says a formal diagnosis doesn't matter too much, and doesn't always add anything, as all kids are different, with or without a diagnosed condition. But, she said it will be helpful to get a picture of what my daughter's specific needs are and how we can manage her behaviour better, etc, which I totally agree with. I'll be kept informed of the what/ when of it all.
I'll keep you all informed.
Thanks and Cheerio for now.
I have a 5yr old daughter, whose behaviour has caused a lot of stress and confusion to me since she was born. After reading a ton of articles, I've recently come to the conclusion that she must have Aspergers. However, a mum outside school today mentioned that it was possible that she was just really intelligent. I mentioned her lack of friends and she said that she'd noticed my daughter has a huge personality and thinks perhaps the girls don't know how to take her 'joie de vivre', so shy away from her. The mum is being genuinely helpful, not dismissive of my concerns, and is trying to help me get to the bottom of things.
My daughter's development was very quick - she spoke in meaningful sentences at a year (not parrot fashion) and walked just like an adult soon after. She's always been a very physically active child and a bit of an athlete and good swimmer. We didn't need to show her how to hold a pencil and her writing and drawing are excellent. At her last development review, the health visitor was impressed, if a bit mystified. She also has a fantastic imagination, which is very different from average. I helped out at her school's science festival this week and had the pleasure of watching her entertain the class with her puppetry skills, out of the blue.
However, her behaviour has always been very difficult. She's always refused to take my hand outside, near roads. She won't leave a place when asked to - we're always last to leave anywhere. Until recently, I would have said she was hyperactive - she would be doing anything except what she was supposed to be doing. She often refuses to say 'hello' or 'thanks'. No behaviour management strategies have worked at all. She does have definite sensory issues, which contribute to her personality. Clothing has to be just right. She's very easily distracted and has trouble getting on with her work- which is the main issue at school. But, she can concentrate on what the teacher is saying, whilst everyone else is doing the same and she gets through her homework tasks very quickly, with very little help. There are a lot more issues and she seems to tick a lot of the boxes for Aspergers. But, could it be possible that she's so smart that she objects to being told what to do and the sensory issues (which I also have) are just coincidental?
I'm meeting again with her teachers in 2 weeks and I'm trying to figure out what's going on with her before we decide to go down the psychological assessment route.
Does anyone have any similar experiences?
I was similar in some ways as a child. I was smarter than my parents and didn't understand why doing better than anyone else in my family had ever done at school and being neat and tidy weren't enough to earn me the respect that adults got just for being older. I'd say treat her like an adult, give her as much responsibility as she can handle, and leave her be. Having an AS diagnosis did nothing but undermine my trust in my parents (I would not have consented if I'd known fully what was happening). I would not recommend getting one unless she herself starts to feel unhappy about her lack of friends, and even then you should discuss it with her first, and explain all the downsides to her too.
I didn't have any friends at primary school largely because I don't enjoy the company of people who are less bright than me. I had a couple of friends at secondary school (when the smarter people who wanted to work started to clique together with each other) and had a really active fun social life once I got to university, where everyone is cleverer than me.
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I didn't have any friends at primary school largely because I don't enjoy the company of people who are less bright than me. I had a couple of friends at secondary school (when the smarter people who wanted to work started to clique together with each other) and had a really active fun social life once I got to university, where everyone is cleverer than me.
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Thanks for your input. She's very like me at that age too, but I was much more conforming and did as I was told. I knuckled down and got a degree, despite having concentration difficulties. Although, I left before the honours year, due to social problems/ excruciating shyness.
My main purpose in having my daughter assessed is to ensure her specific needs are being addressed at school. Her concentration is a big problem. I feel she needs to be given some allowance for that and not punished for things that are beyond her control, whilst we work on improving her concentration skills. The verbal warnings she's received for failing to finish her work have made her really sad, but having spoken to the depute head, I think that's a thing of the past for her. A record of her specific needs will be produced and will follow her through school, which is all I want really.
The depute head said that a diagnosis does not contribute much and I'm not too concerned about a named condition. In fact, I think it causes confusion in the general public, as there's a stereotype of people with Aspergers and my daughter does not fit the stereotype at all - who does? If I were to tell people she had Aspergers, I'm sure I'd have a problem convincing them about it being a spectrum and everyone being unique, etc. It happened a few months ago when I mentioned Aspergers to the depute head - she immediately dismissed it. She's changed her mind completely, since then.
Thanks again.
If you can get her what she needs while avoiding the label, then try to avoid the label. It could be used against her if she ever wishes to adopt or gets into a custody battle. It could also compromise her position for health insurance (which can be a problem even in the UK as employers often want to insure themselves in case their workers go off sick and can suddenly "withdraw" offers of employment if they find out.)
Was it you on another forum I had this conversation with years ago, about labels? I know that people did influence me on the matter, when I had the option to stop midway. We needed the school use label to get very much needed services but when they recommended we pursue a medical one, we quietly dropped the ball. What our son needs is met through the school use label, and as a official matter it dies when he leaves school. We liked the idea of him being to choose as an adult to either own it or not own it, since we know different AS adults have different feelings about it. Not everyone has that option, to stop half way, but we did, and it seemed like a reasonable way to address the types of concerns adults like you were raising while also getting our son the services and acccomodations he clearly needed.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
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