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09 Mar 2012, 10:03 am

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we had to change keyboards-- I bought a cheap $10 keyboard with old fashioned clunky keys (think of the old IBM computers with the 100 pound screens) that have space between them so my son could really feel the keys and have to press on them -- with our old (better) keyboard, the keys were slick and flat and slidy, which is great for myself, but hard for him as a new learner-- these are the same as the laptop keyboards-- we have typing instructor and it is like old fashioned typing class, where a few keys at a time are introduced-- it does have an option for kid instruction available in the adult version of the program, so I am guessing the lessons would be shorter (we have not used them)


You may have something there with the keyboard thing. I know that I cannot type well at all on a cheap laptop keyboard. Sometimes, I think that you can get a different keyboard that plugs into whatever device that you already have.

He also may be embarrassed about using the recorder in class.

I think that it needs to be in his IEP that the teacher gives him a written copy of all homework assignments or at least checks to see that his scribe has written down the assignment. If the teachers have to submit written copies of their lesson plans anyway, I do not think that it would be too horribly inconvenient to write down the assignments. If the teacher has the assignments or lessons on his or her computer, I do not understand why he/she cannot supply a copy of the assignments to your son to take home. (I shudder to think that some of the teachers are making up lessons as they go along instead of working from a written plan.)

I would also place your son in a typing class at school or over the summer and purchase several online computerized typing tutorials to use at home. If you have the time and resources, you can also hire a private OT to work with your son or you can try doing occupational therapy exercises with him at home if he is cooperative in order to strengthen his grip.

My son was actually able to overcome his grip problems via hours and hours of OT (some with an occupational therapist and some with an ABA therapist--it is not rocket science, really) and use of the grip device below:

http://www.edmegastore.com/handiwriter.html

Also, you or others out there with kids with dysgraphia might check out the following page on my website:

http://www.freevideosforautistickids.co ... _XNF6.html

My son had severe dysgraphia, lots of anxiety surrounding therapy, and I was already overwhelmed by his other needs and care requirements for his younger brother. Therefore, I went with extensive professional help. However, these exercises could very well be beneficial for some people in other situations.


I tried to order the pencil holder from edmegastore and it says it cant quote me a price for my shipping address ?



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09 Mar 2012, 1:19 pm

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blondeambition wrote:
kcal wrote:
we had to change keyboards-- I bought a cheap $10 keyboard with old fashioned clunky keys (think of the old IBM computers with the 100 pound screens) that have space between them so my son could really feel the keys and have to press on them -- with our old (better) keyboard, the keys were slick and flat and slidy, which is great for myself, but hard for him as a new learner-- these are the same as the laptop keyboards-- we have typing instructor and it is like old fashioned typing class, where a few keys at a time are introduced-- it does have an option for kid instruction available in the adult version of the program, so I am guessing the lessons would be shorter (we have not used them)


You may have something there with the keyboard thing. I know that I cannot type well at all on a cheap laptop keyboard. Sometimes, I think that you can get a different keyboard that plugs into whatever device that you already have.

He also may be embarrassed about using the recorder in class.

I think that it needs to be in his IEP that the teacher gives him a written copy of all homework assignments or at least checks to see that his scribe has written down the assignment. If the teachers have to submit written copies of their lesson plans anyway, I do not think that it would be too horribly inconvenient to write down the assignments. If the teacher has the assignments or lessons on his or her computer, I do not understand why he/she cannot supply a copy of the assignments to your son to take home. (I shudder to think that some of the teachers are making up lessons as they go along instead of working from a written plan.)

I would also place your son in a typing class at school or over the summer and purchase several online computerized typing tutorials to use at home. If you have the time and resources, you can also hire a private OT to work with your son or you can try doing occupational therapy exercises with him at home if he is cooperative in order to strengthen his grip.

My son was actually able to overcome his grip problems via hours and hours of OT (some with an occupational therapist and some with an ABA therapist--it is not rocket science, really) and use of the grip device below:

http://www.edmegastore.com/handiwriter.html

Also, you or others out there with kids with dysgraphia might check out the following page on my website:

http://www.freevideosforautistickids.co ... _XNF6.html

My son had severe dysgraphia, lots of anxiety surrounding therapy, and I was already overwhelmed by his other needs and care requirements for his younger brother. Therefore, I went with extensive professional help. However, these exercises could very well be beneficial for some people in other situations.


I tried to order the pencil holder from edmegastore and it says it cant quote me a price for my shipping address ?


I did a search on Amazon.com for "handiwriter" and found three different companies that basically make the same item, ranging from $ 5 to $ 50.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywor ... ktozebf5_e

You can also make the device yourself if you cannot purchase it. My son actually used a homemade version modeled on a store-bought version. An occupational therapist showed the device to my son's ABA therapist, who didn't know that it was commercially available. She thought that the item was homemade by the OT, so she made one for my son using an old hairband of mine and a small soldier toy, which he held in his hand while he wrote.

See directions below for making a homemade handi-writer.

http://school-ot.com/Handi%20writer%20directions.html

See below for a YouTube video demonstrating how to use the device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOjndzZelC0


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09 Mar 2012, 2:36 pm

http://www.freevideosforautistickids.co ... vices.html

I have just created a brand-new playlist of YouTube videos regarding pencil grip devices, special pens, etc. I didn't make the videos. I just put together a collection of videos made by therapists, teachers, and parents.

Anyway, if you see a device that you like, I recommend doing an Internet search for the item and comparing prices. Teacher supply websites and Amazon.com tend to have cheaper prices than therapy websites or autism websites, in my experience. However, sometimes a particular device can only be found on a specialty website.


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10 Mar 2012, 5:20 pm

Hi,

I am a new parent and my 17 year old has finally been given a the diagnosis of Asperger's (ADOS test confirmed). He is very bright but has horrible handwriting. We have tried unsuccessfully to have him use a Pulse Pen (Livescribe) which allows him to record the class and take notes as needed. I think if we had used this when he was younger it might have been more helpful to him. So, if you are trying to fix their handwriting I think it will always be a losing battle, but there are tools our there that do not make them stand out. Many colleges are actually requesting NT kids use Pulse Pens in their lectures now.



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10 Apr 2012, 11:44 am

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My son's schools gave my son scribe accommodations and reduced workload through 5th grade, and taught him to type in OT in 6th. Because he still had speed issues, he was given extra editing time and assistance in 7th and 8th. In a way, learning to type was THE task for middle school, and a huge amount of resource went into it. Now, in high school, he has perfect touch type and types absolutely everything.

I think you need to find out why your son doesn't use his net book. At 12, typing is THE way to go, unless the problems in his hands are so severe that he can't learn that comfortably, either. He needs to understand this isn't a choice; he cannot scribe forever, and he is going to have to type or close some doors move to assistive voice technology. If he needs that, he needs that, but it is time to pick the path, in my opinion. I feel really good about the way it all timed out for my son; he got the skills he needed most by the time he needed them most.

Note that some of what you describe is related to executive function and developmental maturity. Organizational skills and assignment tracking are huge problems for many middle schoolers, especially boys and especially ASD kids. Many schools now have homework hotlines, school loop, or other postings so that parents can help their kids stay on top of it all. If your school doesn't offer any of these things, push for it. Your son will eventually grow into those skills, or at least improve, but he needs time and support.


Hi Dw I hope you are still watching this post I just had an IEP and I had a 15 minute argument with the ot over it bieng or not bieng here job to do this I was wondering what your ot did to help she is clueless she wanted to drop him ofcourse I got my way because I know my rights and was very prepared for the fight! you siad it took a huge amount of effort if you could elaborate I would be so gratful I told her I would do alittle more research and anyone else who might be listening if you have info please share .

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10 Apr 2012, 11:51 am

Any of you here who got help from the Schools for typing if you could post what exactly they did to help them It would help me greatly ! our inclusion teacher was totaly on board with the typing thing thank you so much for all your support



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10 Apr 2012, 11:56 pm

Kshaler wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
My son's schools gave my son scribe accommodations and reduced workload through 5th grade, and taught him to type in OT in 6th. Because he still had speed issues, he was given extra editing time and assistance in 7th and 8th. In a way, learning to type was THE task for middle school, and a huge amount of resource went into it. Now, in high school, he has perfect touch type and types absolutely everything.

I think you need to find out why your son doesn't use his net book. At 12, typing is THE way to go, unless the problems in his hands are so severe that he can't learn that comfortably, either. He needs to understand this isn't a choice; he cannot scribe forever, and he is going to have to type or close some doors move to assistive voice technology. If he needs that, he needs that, but it is time to pick the path, in my opinion. I feel really good about the way it all timed out for my son; he got the skills he needed most by the time he needed them most.

Note that some of what you describe is related to executive function and developmental maturity. Organizational skills and assignment tracking are huge problems for many middle schoolers, especially boys and especially ASD kids. Many schools now have homework hotlines, school loop, or other postings so that parents can help their kids stay on top of it all. If your school doesn't offer any of these things, push for it. Your son will eventually grow into those skills, or at least improve, but he needs time and support.


Hi Dw I hope you are still watching this post I just had an IEP and I had a 15 minute argument with the ot over it bieng or not bieng here job to do this I was wondering what your ot did to help she is clueless she wanted to drop him ofcourse I got my way because I know my rights and was very prepared for the fight! you siad it took a huge amount of effort if you could elaborate I would be so gratful I told her I would do alittle more research and anyone else who might be listening if you have info please share .

Kshaler


Hi, I've been working lots of overtime and am on my phone so I'll keep it brief.

My son received an hour a week of OT throughout 6th grade that focused exclusively on keyboarding. That was the program the OT suggested right off at the IEP, so there wasn't much discussion. He didn't qualify for it after 6th grade because he met the fluency standard at the end of the year even though he was still typing in his own shorthand instead of actual English, so we asked that he be assigned practice in his academic support class, and that is generally what he did for the rest of middle school: went to academic support instead of an elective and typed out his notes and assignments from his other classes while there, and worked on editing, spell checking, and so on so he could not only type at a certain number of words per minute, but actually produce documents in proper English.

I was frustrated that the OT had such a low threshold for fluency, but all IEP services seem to have these objective cut offs, and since we were able to program in the academic support, it worked out fine. Even the academic support, however, required a little bending by the school because those classes normally have a specified curriculum, and my son was pretty much inventing his own. Whenever there was a sub he'd get stuck doing the below grade worksheets but he learned to just accept that as part of being the unique kid - subs don't get the memo. We are finding that dropping academic support now that he doesn't need it takes a little doing, but that is how things go with schools - beaurocracy exists.

My son also had organization problems, and can't spell worth beans, so all that got worked on in the academic support class, too. He definitely missed having an elective, but he understood why he needed that time and practice and we made it up to him letting him take expensive specialty camps in the summer.

While it sounds like he didn't do anything in academic support he couldn't have done at home, he wouldn't done all this at home. At school he expects to be stretching and learning; once home, he wants to follow his own interests, and he needs to be able to do that (plus knocking off some homework is easier than trying to learn to type and edit). Plus, before he started doing the editing at school we had teachers questioning if we were writing for him. This way the teachers could work together, and they all liked that.


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11 Apr 2012, 10:38 am

for an hour a week what program did they use and was the OT trained in teaching him typing ? I see you are busy and I so appreciate the feed back I am just trying to get this started .



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12 Apr 2012, 12:33 am

If I ever knew those details, I don't remember them, sorry. The OT came to the IEP with an assessment of our son's physical developmental readiness and a list of goals. Since it lined up perfectly with our priorities, we said "great" and that was that. While the sessions were tedious at times my son didn't mind them, and we were swamped with our end of getting him succesfully through sixth grade. I did feel that everything eventually came together well that year, it was all investments of effort that were well timed, and I really appreciated the OT.


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