Just when things are going well...teachers do something odd

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16 Jan 2013, 7:31 am

This sounds like the school is trying to roll over you because this boy does not do well sitting next to others and they want him to sit next to somebody. He probably needs to sit by himself for now. They probably don't want that because it looks stigmatizing, but that may be what they need to do.

*This is not meant to be pejorative at all towards the boy. He may benefit from being separate because he may stay better focused that way.



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16 Jan 2013, 7:43 am

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
This sounds like the school is trying to roll over you because this boy does not do well sitting next to others and they want him to sit next to somebody. He probably needs to sit by himself for now. They probably don't want that because it looks stigmatizing, but that may be what they need to do.

*This is not meant to be pejorative at all towards the boy. He may benefit from being separate because he may stay better focused that way.
I honestly think that they picked my daughter because her concentration is bad, no matter who sits beside her. I don't think they realised it could get worse and I don't think they even took into consideration that he might have a psychological effect on her, on top of that. My husband phoned the DH today and she says that one of them has been moved, so that's a start. I'm just annoyed at the performance involved in correcting a bad situation.


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16 Jan 2013, 8:36 am

Any change in the situation with the school? :)



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16 Jan 2013, 8:45 am

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Any change in the situation with the school? :)
My husband phoned this morning and the DH said one of them had been moved, but didn't know who. I'm pleased with that. The only problem is that the quiet table is closest to the table she was sitting at, so if they've moved her, he's still near the quiet table and she won't feel happy to use it. So, I hope they've moved him.


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16 Jan 2013, 9:25 am

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My experience with teachers is you have ones that are attentive to all the kids (you will find these teachers calls the kids their kids, tear up at their achievements) and you get the tough love teachers. My experience for my DD is the tough love teachers don't gel with DD as she needs more nurturing and time and the attentive teachers give that to her. The tough love teacher would do the seating arrangement like your teacher with thinking your DD needs to learn to cope with different characters, not that l am agreeing with this. We have had 2 teachers who were tough love and both thoses years were horrible, DD would become depressed and often would have issues with what was going on with the teacher choices.
Not sure how the school system is in Scotland but here in Australia a parent usually pops in to see the teacher and have a chat. I have been my DD's advocate and you will find you have to fight for your child's needs, especially with aspergers as only you truely know your child and what works and doesn't. We were very lucky last year as we had a fantastic teacher who we have again this year, she understands DD really well and knows that how ever little the issue may be its sometimes best to sort it especially if it affects her learning and at worst DD doesn't want to go to school.
Another thought is use the words 'duty of care' for your teacher, as isn't it her duty of care to make sure all the children are feeling safe and happy so they can learn. This clearly isn't the case for your DD.
Also when chatting to the teacher come from a gentle angle, if you upset the teacher you will have her off side even though she will continue to be professional to your face. I have seen both sides since l have worked as an aide, most teachers are caring but you do get some with attitude or rigid in their ideas of how they do things.
Hope that helps and good luck.
My daughter's teachers seem really nice and probably (one of them anyway) would be the attentive type, given the chance. I think the main problem in the school is that it's so huge. There are 32 pupils in my daughter's class, with 2 full-time qualified teachers, and there are another 2 classes like her's in her year group. It's the biggest school in the council area, because we've had so many new houses built and the council didn't forward plan. They blame the previous authority, as we had a local government re-organisation in 1996. Politics aside, I don't think the school can cope and communication is dire. Us parents have been told not to approach the teachers, on line duty, at 9am. If we want to speak with them, we make an appointment, which is why I wrote a note, asking for the move. They've made themselves unapproachable, but the class teachers, as people, seem nice. I feel as though the letter annoyed them (maybe saw it as a criticism of their choices) and the DH just made matters worse, by phoning me and talking a lot of rubbish. I got angry and emotional, as expected. So, I think I'm on their bad side now. I just hope it doesn't make matters worse for my daughter.


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16 Jan 2013, 3:24 pm

Just to let everyone know, my daughter came out of school today saying, 'This is the best day of my life'. E has been moved and her new table mate is a little girl whom she gets on really well with. As well as this, she did the highest number of maths problems, out of the whole class, by a large margin, and got them all correct. This is incredible, as she's in the middle group for maths. The teachers know she 'gets' maths and she's only in the middle group because her concentration problem causes her to produce so little. So, I really hope this is the sign of things to come. One of her teachers spoke to me at the end of the day, to let me know that the move had happened and she was really nice, almost as if there had never been an issue, which was odd. I'm still annoyed at the DH's dismissive attitude, but I'm calming down.

Thanks to everyone for all your support.


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16 Jan 2013, 3:42 pm

That's the problem with big classes it hard for the teacher to keep on top of everything. Another post suggested they teamed up your DD because the boy has a history of other children complaining it was hard when sitting with him. This sounds like it may be the case.

The problem with letter writing is its like texts and emails it can be taken in the wrong way sometimes so it's unfortunate that you can only contact them via letters.

You are doing a great job, you gave it a few days to see if it would settle down, it didn't so you wrote the letter, didn't get any change so it then went to phone calls. As for getting on their wrong side l only said that because of experience as there is some teachers out there with attitude.

You have done the right thing and with the teachers it's probably more about the issue of seating someone with E. So try not to worry about things going bad with your DD and yourself, just play it cool, go with the flow but continue to speak up for your daughter if a situation affects her like this in the future. :D


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16 Jan 2013, 3:59 pm

Thats great glad shes happy again :)



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16 Jan 2013, 4:12 pm

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
Just to let everyone know, my daughter came out of school today saying, 'This is the best day of my life'. E has been moved and her new table mate is a little girl whom she gets on really well with. As well as this, she did the highest number of maths problems, out of the whole class, by a large margin, and got them all correct. This is incredible, as she's in the middle group for maths. The teachers know she 'gets' maths and she's only in the middle group because her concentration problem causes her to produce so little. So, I really hope this is the sign of things to come. One of her teachers spoke to me at the end of the day, to let me know that the move had happened and she was really nice, almost as if there had never been an issue, which was odd. I'm still annoyed at the DH's dismissive attitude, but I'm calming down.

Thanks to everyone for all your support.


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16 Jan 2013, 5:03 pm

Awesome!



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18 Jan 2013, 8:33 am

Thanks again everyone. Here's a little intriguing update. Yesterday, just as I was leaving to collect my daughter, the phone rang. It was the head of the new school, who has just been appointed. She had been given my name and number, by the DH. I had told her I was considering moving my daughter there, primarily due to concerns about the open plan area, next session, but also about their failure to act on this simple, reasonable, request, without a fight. The head really wants to meet with me (my husband wants to go too, so he's arranging it, to suit his diary). It appears like she's welcoming my daughter, with open arms, which is a very good sign.

While I'm really happy that she's offered this meeting and I'm not annoyed at the DH for mentioning us to her, it kind of makes me think that the DH saw this as an opportunity to get rid of my daughter. I've been keeping myself informed about the developments at the new school and knew the process for transfer, as we're not in the catchment area, so we don't have an automatic entitlement to a place. I also knew I could get in touch with the head, if I wanted to. I never expected the head to contact me. I have this crazy idea of the DH saying to the new head, 'Here, take this one, she'll be perfect for your school'. The current school is spilling over and the new one isn't going to be anywhere close to capacity at the beginning, as most people will choose to keep their children where they are. So, they will be trying to persuade some to move. I don't need any persuading. My daughter's not a difficult girl, by any means, her main issue is that she needs lots of prompting, to keep on track with her work. But, maybe the DH sees a future of me being on her back, which is really not how I would be at all, if they just took simple measures to help her. Or maybe it is just a matter of getting the numbers in the old school down and nothing personal.

I'll not question it, as she's going to be moving there anyway and getting to meet with the head now is a great opportunity.


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18 Jan 2013, 12:37 pm

Phew! Sounds like you have been through the wringer!

In the short term, can you ask the school to inform you BEFORE they do any further movement? I worry that there will be something with this little girl she gets along with and you'll be back where you started.

The only other thing I would mention is that it sounds like you could really use an advocate. I don't know what the system is for where you are, but bringing in some kind of professional or paraprofessional when you are going to the school (conferences, etc.) is very, very helpful. I don't mean anyone who will scare the school, like a lawyer, I mean someone like a therapist who can reiterate that your concerns are very real.

Our own ride with the schools was very bumpy, but having an advocate helped turn things around, if only because I am not really able to hold it together very well during a meeting concerning my boy.



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21 Jan 2013, 4:31 am

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Phew! Sounds like you have been through the wringer!

In the short term, can you ask the school to inform you BEFORE they do any further movement? I worry that there will be something with this little girl she gets along with and you'll be back where you started.

The only other thing I would mention is that it sounds like you could really use an advocate. I don't know what the system is for where you are, but bringing in some kind of professional or paraprofessional when you are going to the school (conferences, etc.) is very, very helpful. I don't mean anyone who will scare the school, like a lawyer, I mean someone like a therapist who can reiterate that your concerns are very real.

Our own ride with the schools was very bumpy, but having an advocate helped turn things around, if only because I am not really able to hold it together very well during a meeting concerning my boy.
Thanks. Sorry I never responded sooner. My daughter's been sick all weekend, so the computer has been ignored.

I think I'm very like you, when it comes to matters involving my daughter. When emotions come into play, I think lots of thoughts and my mouth can't keep up with my brain. So, I go off at tangents, trying to get it all in, and maybe say things I wouldn't normally, although they're true. I also get obsessive and can't think of anything else, which is worrying. It's the way I am, totally like my daughter and my Mum and I know it must get to my family and friends. I try to put my thoughts in writing, which I'm very good at and I'm very logical in my arguments, but maybe too good, so it sounds like I've been thinking too much and obsessing over it (and I have).

We really do need an advocate. We have an educational psychologist, who works for the council. She's there for issues like these and I hoped that she would make a good bo-between for us. But, her workload appears to be huge and, when we try to get in contact with her, she's never available. It's usually several days before she's able to get back to us. I don't know what else to do, so I think I'll contact the NAS for advice.


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21 Jan 2013, 8:56 am

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
I think I'm very like you, when it comes to matters involving my daughter. When emotions come into play, I think lots of thoughts and my mouth can't keep up with my brain. So, I go off at tangents, trying to get it all in, and maybe say things I wouldn't normally, although they're true. I also get obsessive and can't think of anything else, which is worrying. It's the way I am, totally like my daughter and my Mum and I know it must get to my family and friends. I try to put my thoughts in writing, which I'm very good at and I'm very logical in my arguments, but maybe too good, so it sounds like I've been thinking too much and obsessing over it (and I have).


Yes, this is exactly like me - except I've been known to burst into tears and lose speech during IEP meetings (when we were in the worst of it.) Believe it or not, the advocate didn't do too much - she only spoke once or twice - but just having someone else in "our corner" really helped DH and I stay on track and be coherent. Good luck!



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21 Jan 2013, 9:18 am

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Yes, this is exactly like me - except I've been known to burst into tears and lose speech during IEP meetings (when we were in the worst of it.) Believe it or not, the advocate didn't do too much - she only spoke once or twice - but just having someone else in "our corner" really helped DH and I stay on track and be coherent. Good luck!
The last time I spoke with my daughter's previous depute head, which was nearly a year ago, I burst into tears. I raised an issue about 3 girls telling lies about my daughter, which got her into trouble. One girl admitted to Elise that she had told lies about her, but refused to tell the teachers, as she didn't want to upset the ring leader, but the depute head refuse to believe me or my daughter. I went of at tangents, about other things that bother me about the school, e.g. their failure to act on parental complaints about other children. To me, it's all linked, but of course she couldn't see the connection and looked at me as if I'd truly lost it. I was going to a course in the school, so she had good reason to quickly usher me out and I felt that the issue wasn't dealt with. She said she'd call me back, after she'd spoken with my daughter and the girls, but she never did, as usual. Then she said that she hadn't told me she'd call me back, which is odd, because obviously I'd want to know the outcome of her investigation. Needless to say, there had been no investigation. An advocate is definitely needed.


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21 Jan 2013, 9:58 am

Oh, Mum - I sooo feel your pain. Yes, we had exactly the same situation - fortunately for us, while I was sobbing about the bullies the school had hired a Vice-Principal who actually knew what he was doing and he pointedly asked me who the other boys were. I was sort of bewildered at that question, so I answered - and the bullying stopped THAT DAY. I kid you not - that guy was magic.

However, the year before he was hired, I was trying to even get an IEP for DS, who was increasingly violent at home. I was trying to explain how scared I was and how much I needed help, sobbing (and not keeping to the subject.) The VP at the time just looked at me like I had three heads and said "sorry, if it isn't happening at school, we can't do anything about it." I couldn't explain how I knew that his behavior was because of school, so there we were for another 6 months.

The good news is that I did manage to get through it all, DS and I and DH are all still in one piece, we finally have the help we need and we know a little more how to go about getting it even if our IEP meetings go long because we go off on tangents (our advocate did help, but she wasn't magic. :D )

Word to the wise, though - if you DO get to the point where you have to hire a lawyer (and let's hope not,) write out what you are going to say in their office - they charge by the hour and they aren't kidding. Tangents cost us real money in that instance.