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29 Jan 2013, 9:37 am

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Hate to derail the thread here but I'm wondering how your kids kept accumulating so much stuff that you needed to do this.
If we keep taking things into our home and never take anything out again, things will rapidly accumulate. Children receive presents, get handed colouring books in restaurants, go to fun days and make stuff and bring art & crafts home from school. Some children, especially those on the spectrum, pick up stones, shells and sticks and put them in their pockets. Even if we don't actually buy anything for our children, stuff will manage to get into their rooms. When you have a child who won't allow anything to be thrown out or handed into charity shops (including toys that are only suitable for babies/toddlers), then there comes a time when it's a problem.

Parents also want their children to have age appropriate toys and books. It's not right that our kids should be playing with rattles, just because they already have too much. So, we will buy things for our children, in the hope that they'll no longer want that 20 piece jigsaw or that padded picture book. Unfortunately, although they never play with the jigsaw or book, they still want to keep them, along with everything else that has ever entered their room. My daughter received much fewer toys than her peers at Christmas, but her room is full of things she's too old for, never plays with and never has, but still wants to keep forever.


Interesting. As a kid I used to save all sorts of junk but I was abolutely obsessive about organizing so I never had piles of debris everywhere.

I ended up holding onto a lot of that stuff (including toys for really little kids) well into adulthood and only started getting rid of it when I discovered ebay. Maybe you could try to sell some of the baby stuff on ebay or Craig's List and tell her she could put the cash towards something new?



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29 Jan 2013, 11:36 am

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To clarify, we don't make her get rid of her toys. I've set some aside that aren't used anymore (with the intention of getting rid of them), and as soon as she notices, I am "bad mom." So back in her room they go. The wrappers and boxes and scraps of yuck all over her room though... That's what I will clear out now and then if she won't do it herself. It's truly filthy. I have to. The folder for keeping her tags and papers in is a great idea, but I know she wouldn't use it. She has no organizational skills at all, and doesn't see the value in keeping things clean or put away. So, sometimes we need to step in. I try to lead by example ("Out with the old, in with the new" or donating to those less fortunate) but she can't do it, and I try to be understanding of that.


If she's keeping things that are a health hazard, like nasty dirty wrappers with food still on them, have you tried to explain it?

To a certain degree I understand all of this as it's always been hard for me to get rid of things and I tend to collect things. Over the years I've collected certain action figure series, books, CD...lately it's been guitars.



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29 Jan 2013, 1:20 pm

Yes, people giving them stuff, every sweet wrapper or crisp bag, presents from birthday parties off all of their school friends, rewards from school, party bags from all the school kids birthdays, then theres all the twigs/stones/rubbish she picks up and names so we can never throw it away even though its dirty and wet! She recently had a bi of string that she absolutely fell in love with, but she dangled it out of the car window and accidentally let go, it was on a big road so I couldnt stop and get it. She hated me for weeks because I refused to risk my life to go and get it for her, I warned her that if it dropped out of the window it would be gone forever. She sees it every day on the school run and this makes it worse!

Also people who dont know the situation and see her fretting over having to leave stuff and let her have it. We get ladies at play groups saying she can take a toy home with her and bring it back next week, which just makes things worse but its hard to explain. All that does is get her more attached to it and delay the melt down by a week.

I have tried explaining about selling things to get money to buy new things but shes not interested. Even when she can see the money and hold it herself, keep it in her money box and then take it to a shop and hand it over to buy something she wants.

I also find if she has a small toy that is part of a collection this starts off an obsession with having all of them, even if theres hundreds to collect. She is not interested in playing with them, just wants to have them.



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29 Jan 2013, 1:56 pm

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Can you put her special "throw aways" into a special "bin"? If she's anything like my son, out-of-site-out-of-mind, it may just do the trick. Gradually, you can just remove items until she gets the hang of removing them herself.


My daughter once gave me a drawing she had done and said "you can put i in that special box where all my drawings go".... pointing to the recycling bin :oops: She does hundreds of drawings and we just cant keep them all, I take photos of the really good ones and keep them on my computer and we have a folder full of drawings that we have kept but the ones that are just scribbles have to go in the bin. Just broke my heart a little when she said that lol. So in a way we do have a "special" bin!


Too funny! :lol:
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29 Jan 2013, 1:58 pm

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Yes, people giving them stuff, every sweet wrapper or crisp bag, presents from birthday parties off all of their school friends, rewards from school, party bags from all the school kids birthdays, then theres all the twigs/stones/rubbish she picks up and names so we can never throw it away even though its dirty and wet! She recently had a bi of string that she absolutely fell in love with, but she dangled it out of the car window and accidentally let go, it was on a big road so I couldnt stop and get it. She hated me for weeks because I refused to risk my life to go and get it for her, I warned her that if it dropped out of the window it would be gone forever. She sees it every day on the school run and this makes it worse!

Also people who dont know the situation and see her fretting over having to leave stuff and let her have it. We get ladies at play groups saying she can take a toy home with her and bring it back next week, which just makes things worse but its hard to explain. All that does is get her more attached to it and delay the melt down by a week.

I have tried explaining about selling things to get money to buy new things but shes not interested. Even when she can see the money and hold it herself, keep it in her money box and then take it to a shop and hand it over to buy something she wants.

I also find if she has a small toy that is part of a collection this starts off an obsession with having all of them, even if theres hundreds to collect. She is not interested in playing with them, just wants to have them.


Ok. Thanks for the explaination. This is really beyond the scope of anything I've ever dealt with.

I'd leave the toy collecting alone right now and focus on the gross stuff. Have you explained at all why having wrappers, dirt, etc lying around everywhere is not healthy?



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29 Jan 2013, 2:23 pm

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She is not interested in playing with them, just wants to have them.


My son is similar with this. We went to the Monster Truck Jam recently, and during the intermission, he HAD to buy something. He had already bought a Monster truck magazine before the show but had $16 left. The line up was crazy and we waited. Eventually, I told him I would meet him back at the seats since I didn't want to hang around a mob. He probably missed 5-10 minutes of the show, after the intermission was done, and returned to the seats, happily, with two $5 flags. Not ONCE did he use the flags at the show and it's been sitting on our couch ever since. The kicker? I accidentally mentioned the bicycle show he missed while he was gone. I say "accidentally" because he was showing me an image from his magazine and it slipped out. He GOT MAD AT ME and started crying.. at the bus stop. The woman beside us chuckled to herself and then saved me by redirecting his attention.



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29 Jan 2013, 3:41 pm

She made me buy all 3 of the monkey shaped cookies on sale in a cafe yesterday because she didnt want to leave one on its own. I went a long with it as there was 3 of us and I didnt want to argue over a few pence. My youngest daughter (Nt so far) dropped hers on the floor and my DD5 took over an hour nibbling on it before she abandoned it. I had to argue about putting that in the bin, it didnt even resemble a monkey by the end of it!

She said out of the blue the other day on the way to school to her Dad, "I havent forgotten my things". When he asked her what she meant she explained she still misses the items I gave to charity 18 months ago! This was before we had any idea about ASD! She would only have been 3, shes got an amazing memory for things like that yet cant tell me what she had for lunch today, bless her :lol:

I dont ever push her to get rid of stuff now that I know how much it upsets her, partly because I know 18 months later she will still be making me feel guilty lol!

Shes not too bad with the yucky stuff to be honest, but I can see its still a touchy subject and may get worse in the future. I am conscious of what I throw away and check with her first :)



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29 Jan 2013, 3:47 pm

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She made me buy all 3 of the monkey shaped cookies on sale in a cafe yesterday because she didnt want to leave one on its own. I went a long with it as there was 3 of us and I didnt want to argue over a few pence. My youngest daughter (Nt so far) dropped hers on the floor and my DD5 took over an hour nibbling on it before she abandoned it. I had to argue about putting that in the bin, it didnt even resemble a monkey by the end of it!

She said out of the blue the other day on the way to school to her Dad, "I havent forgotten my things". When he asked her what she meant she explained she still misses the items I gave to charity 18 months ago! This was before we had any idea about ASD! She would only have been 3, shes got an amazing memory for things like that yet cant tell me what she had for lunch today, bless her :lol:

I dont ever push her to get rid of stuff now that I know how much it upsets her, partly because I know 18 months later she will still be making me feel guilty lol!

Shes not too bad with the yucky stuff to be honest, but I can see its still a touchy subject and may get worse in the future. I am conscious of what I throw away and check with her first :)


I wish I knew what to tell you, I do not want her to end up with a house looking like this as an adult!

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29 Jan 2013, 6:40 pm

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Can you put her special "throw aways" into a special "bin"? If she's anything like my son, out-of-site-out-of-mind, it may just do the trick. Gradually, you can just remove items until she gets the hang of removing them herself.


My daughter once gave me a drawing she had done and said "you can put i in that special box where all my drawings go".... pointing to the recycling bin :oops: She does hundreds of drawings and we just cant keep them all, I take photos of the really good ones and keep them on my computer and we have a folder full of drawings that we have kept but the ones that are just scribbles have to go in the bin. Just broke my heart a little when she said that lol. So in a way we do have a "special" bin!


LOL! I can so relate to that. My daughter is a prolific drawer, too. People have told me that I should keep them all and I don't think they really understand that truly, I can't. Well...I guess I could if I was willing to rent storage to house it all!


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29 Jan 2013, 11:41 pm

DiscoveringMe, you could have been describing me at your daughter's age in your original post. Everything was "alive" to me...and that's still the case. And yes, my stuffed animals were very dear friends to me....more like my ONLY friends.

I grew out of the hoarding wrappers/random stuff as I got older, but my stuffed animals were always sacred to me. I was very protective of them and would even hide them if I suspected they were in any danger of being thrown or given away.

I don't know how helpful this is going to be, but....

I agree that the wrappers and leftover papery items should probably go....I like the idea of the whole "out-of-sight, out-of-mind" thing. But, as far as the stuffed animals are concerned, I would tread very, very, very delicately there. Maybe buy some Rubbermaid totes and store them, if feasible. While I think donating stuffed animals is a great idea, I probably wouldn't even force the issue (for right now) if it upsets your daughter that much.

As an adult, I sometimes go thru my stuffed animal collection and set aside ones to give to a charity in my area....but at least I have control over the ones I keep and the ones I give away, not like when my mother would come into my room with a big black trash bag and start putting some of my favorite stuffed animals in there saying, "You don't play with this one anymore, right?" etc. I guess that's why this is such a sensitive issue for me. Maybe try revisiting the "donating" idea when she's a bit older.

I hope my response was helpful in some way.


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30 Jan 2013, 8:24 am

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DiscoveringMe, you could have been describing me at your daughter's age in your original post. Everything was "alive" to me...and that's still the case. And yes, my stuffed animals were very dear friends to me....more like my ONLY friends.

I grew out of the hoarding wrappers/random stuff as I got older, but my stuffed animals were always sacred to me. I was very protective of them and would even hide them if I suspected they were in any danger of being thrown or given away.

I don't know how helpful this is going to be, but....

I agree that the wrappers and leftover papery items should probably go....I like the idea of the whole "out-of-sight, out-of-mind" thing. But, as far as the stuffed animals are concerned, I would tread very, very, very delicately there. Maybe buy some Rubbermaid totes and store them, if feasible. While I think donating stuffed animals is a great idea, I probably wouldn't even force the issue (for right now) if it upsets your daughter that much.

As an adult, I sometimes go thru my stuffed animal collection and set aside ones to give to a charity in my area....but at least I have control over the ones I keep and the ones I give away, not like when my mother would come into my room with a big black trash bag and start putting some of my favorite stuffed animals in there saying, "You don't play with this one anymore, right?" etc. I guess that's why this is such a sensitive issue for me. Maybe try revisiting the "donating" idea when she's a bit older.

I hope my response was helpful in some way.


Ah yes stuffed animals...I was the same way as a kid. I still have many of my childhood stuffed animals, including my favorite teddy bear which is in tatters.



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30 Jan 2013, 9:30 am

We had this, too - and we handle it much like Confused Newb...but we have one additional rule that really helps: nothing comes in until something goes out. Every year before birthdays and holidays with gifts, he has to get rid of stuff he's outgrown.

I would also point this out: I also feared my son would never get rid of anything, we had preschool toys up until a few years ago. I didn't account for the developmental delay aspect in toys. At 12, he's starting to get rid of things we'd assume most kids would have outgrown 3 years ago. I think he needed the reassurance of those toys, knowing somehow that he still had a foot in that world, so to speak.

My son also has a mental inventory of every. single. thing. he. owns. I learned early that the Happy Meal Toys couldn't be secretly thrown out - so we'd take them to the playroom at the Y, where he went occasionally, and he could "visit" them. Church playrooms work, too. He also imbued his toys with little lives and personalities, so to him, giving up a toy was like betraying a friend.

Another thing to try - tell your kid that they can't get things like Happy Meals or other prizes if they can't get rid of the toy. Set a time limit before you buy it, e.g. "this is a temporary toy that we will recycle. You can keep it for two weeks. If that's upsetting to you, we will ask for a meal with no toy." If they can't get rid of it at the alotted time, the next time, no toy and an explanation. (Or, it might be easier to say that you only have ONE prize toy at a time, whenever you get a new one, the old one has to be recycled.)

Just in case your kids head down this road: DS does have some OCD-like symptoms, of which this is one. We were helped very much by the workbook "What To Do When Your Brain Gets Stuck." Worth looking into, as it talks about "garbage" thoughts as well as "garbage" stuff.



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30 Jan 2013, 10:10 am

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Help! Will she ever be able to willingly get rid of anything

Haven't read other's responses yet, so if I'm re-stating I apologize.
I hope I can help. I am an adult and I still have trouble letting go of special items: including tags, labels, stickers, and certain packages, etc. It is comforting, it doesn't hurt anybody, and does not need to be controlled by someone else.
Over the years I've learned to 'cull' some of my stuff, and learned to be somewhat neat.

Maybe, depending on both you and your daughter, she could organize her collections more neatly so as to make you feel more comfortable with her room. And maybe you could control yourself when reacting to her things, as there really is nothing objectively wrong with collecting stuff, as long as it's not a fire hazard, etc. these things are important in a way that's hard to articulate (for me) but no less valid.

Momsparky, I mean no criticism of what might work for you, but I need to disagree with with offering a food item, in some sort of exchange like you described.



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30 Jan 2013, 10:54 am

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Momsparky, I mean no criticism of what might work for you, but I need to disagree with with offering a food item, in some sort of exchange like you described.


You misunderstood: Happy Meals and their ilk are a HUGE source of free but unwanted, nearly unusable toys that tend to exacerbate toy "collecting."

I was suggesting that rules need to be set up beforehand for these kinds of toys that come as a "premium" with something like a meal, NOT that the toy be exchanged for food, which I agree is a very bad idea. I apologize if that was not clear.



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30 Jan 2013, 11:16 am

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Momsparky, I mean no criticism of what might work for you, but I need to disagree with with offering a food item, in some sort of exchange like you described.


You misunderstood: Happy Meals and their ilk are a HUGE source of free but unwanted, nearly unusable toys that tend to exacerbate toy "collecting."

I was suggesting that rules need to be set up beforehand for these kinds of toys that come as a "premium" with something like a meal, NOT that the toy be exchanged for food, which I agree is a very bad idea. I apologize if that was not clear.
Don't get me started on McDonalds toys. My husband's vegetarian. My daughter and I eat more or less the same as him, with the occasional fish. So, as you'd expect, we don't visit McDonalds very often. I think my daughter's been there 3 times. But, how come we have a large toy box full of happy meal toys? Adults that we know (and some complete strangers on the bus) have bought themselves happy meals and handed the toys to her, before I've had a chance to say, 'No thank you, she has enough toys'. As soon as my daughter sees what she's being given, there's no way we can stop her taking it. And that's it, in her room for evermore. But, we did manage to do a clear out of them, strangely (only the ones connected to films she's not interested in). She's very careful with toys, so they were in good condition and suitable for handing into a charity shop. The shop won't get much for them, I expect.


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30 Jan 2013, 11:18 am

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ConfusedNewb wrote:
ASDsmom wrote:
Can you put her special "throw aways" into a special "bin"? If she's anything like my son, out-of-site-out-of-mind, it may just do the trick. Gradually, you can just remove items until she gets the hang of removing them herself.


My daughter once gave me a drawing she had done and said "you can put i in that special box where all my drawings go".... pointing to the recycling bin :oops: She does hundreds of drawings and we just cant keep them all, I take photos of the really good ones and keep them on my computer and we have a folder full of drawings that we have kept but the ones that are just scribbles have to go in the bin. Just broke my heart a little when she said that lol. So in a way we do have a "special" bin!


LOL! I can so relate to that. My daughter is a prolific drawer, too. People have told me that I should keep them all and I don't think they really understand that truly, I can't. Well...I guess I could if I was willing to rent storage to house it all!


Renting storage costs a lot of money.