24 Jul 2013, 7:48 pm
24 Jul 2013, 8:22 pm
25 Jul 2013, 4:43 pm
After PMing me about this first, you've ignored my supportive response by PM ; and have clearly decided to post about everything in public instead.
This whole thing sounds like a Jerry Springer Show just waiting to happen.
If you think this is all so totally okay, and know exactly how gangs work (and are fine with your son being involved with that), then why are you posting about it here at all ?
25 Jul 2013, 4:51 pm
Oh, look what Wikipedia has to say about the Bloods...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloods
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There is no known national leader of the Bloods but individual Bloods sets have a hierarchical leadership structure with identifiable levels of membership. These levels of membership indicate status within a gang. A leader, typically an older member with a more extensive criminal background, runs each set.
A set leader is not elected but rather asserts himself by developing and managing the gang’s criminal enterprises through his reputation for violence and ruthlessness and through his personal charisma.
The majority of set members are called “soldiers,” who are typically between the ages of 16 and 22.
Soldiers have a strong sense of commitment to their set and are extremely dangerous because of their willingness to use violence both to obtain the respect of gang members and to respond to any person who “disrespects” the set.
“Associates” are not full members, but they identify with the gang and take part in various criminal activities.
To the extent that women belong to the gang, they are usually associate members and tend to be used by their male counterparts to carry weapons, hold drugs, or prostitute themselves to make money for their set.
Bloods recruit heavily among school-age youth in predominantly poor African American communities.
A set leader is not elected but rather asserts himself by developing and managing the gang’s criminal enterprises through his reputation for violence and ruthlessness and through his personal charisma.
The majority of set members are called “soldiers,” who are typically between the ages of 16 and 22.
Soldiers have a strong sense of commitment to their set and are extremely dangerous because of their willingness to use violence both to obtain the respect of gang members and to respond to any person who “disrespects” the set.
“Associates” are not full members, but they identify with the gang and take part in various criminal activities.
To the extent that women belong to the gang, they are usually associate members and tend to be used by their male counterparts to carry weapons, hold drugs, or prostitute themselves to make money for their set.
Bloods recruit heavily among school-age youth in predominantly poor African American communities.
Yup, clearly there's nothing to worry about....
25 Jul 2013, 5:08 pm
25 Jul 2013, 5:18 pm
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25 Jul 2013, 5:54 pm
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Good for you.
I don't know how they operate there (didn't even know they existed in the country), but here they have all sorts of tests for initiation that involve violence toward innocent people. I was the victim of it once. I had a bottle thrown at my head while walking home one evening and looked over to see about 5 or 6 gang members on two corners opposite me. Then, they started chanting 'gang bang' over and over as I continued to walk, not making eye contact, not showing any reaction and wondering if I was experiencing the final moments before a violent attack. These are the kinds of things they do. I think even 'small beans' gangs teach a basic numbness and acceptance of intimidation and bullying of others. The more you do, the number you are to the safety and feelings of others. It's just not a good path, no matter how small.
I don't know how they operate there (didn't even know they existed in the country), but here they have all sorts of tests for initiation that involve violence toward innocent people. I was the victim of it once. I had a bottle thrown at my head while walking home one evening and looked over to see about 5 or 6 gang members on two corners opposite me. Then, they started chanting 'gang bang' over and over as I continued to walk, not making eye contact, not showing any reaction and wondering if I was experiencing the final moments before a violent attack. These are the kinds of things they do. I think even 'small beans' gangs teach a basic numbness and acceptance of intimidation and bullying of others. The more you do, the number you are to the safety and feelings of others. It's just not a good path, no matter how small.
There isn't any initiation in this one. They used to make them get hair cuts with designs shaved into it but some parents got mad so they stopped. Really, I'm not making this up. I was aware of all this the other night because they were around when my older son was young and he hung out with some of them but wasn't in it like that. And they just hang with the same boys they went to school with, some in that, some not, because it doesn't matter all that much except whether or not you get to wear the rag and the red shirt.
I'm very aware of the ones in the city and how bad they are, but this isn't like that. Some might fight each other with fists if they have an argument, usually over a girl or some money or CD's or games but nobodys shooting anybody else. The guns are saved for targets or wild animals in the woods, which they all do anyway around here.
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25 Jul 2013, 5:59 pm
Ladywoofwoof wrote:
After PMing me about this first, you've ignored my supportive response by PM ; and have clearly decided to post about everything in public instead.
This whole thing sounds like a Jerry Springer Show just waiting to happen.
If you think this is all so totally okay, and know exactly how gangs work (and are fine with your son being involved with that), then why are you posting about it here at all ?
This whole thing sounds like a Jerry Springer Show just waiting to happen. If you think this is all so totally okay, and know exactly how gangs work (and are fine with your son being involved with that), then why are you posting about it here at all ?
I had so much going on in my head that I was going to answer it later and never did because I spent the whole next day at my mothers doing stuff for her and she doesn't have a computer. I'm sorry I didn't answer your PM right away, it was rude of me when you were being supportive, I just could literally not think of the words I wanted to write or how to put them together or even what thoughts I wanted to get across at the time. I was so covered up in so much crap that was eating at my mind that I just couldn't think. I do apologize.
And I know this isn't at all how gangs work. This is how these boys down here who have mostly never lived anywhere else but this backwoods country one horse town think gangs work and so this is how theirs "works". It's been around for years and lots of boys have been in it and left but some haven't and grown up and moved to other parts and tried to step into an actual one there because they think they can hang with them and that's what I'm afraid of for him so that's why he's getting a talking to.
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25 Jul 2013, 6:17 pm
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25 Jul 2013, 6:23 pm
Ladywoofwoof wrote:
It's fine.
If he's lived in the middle of nowhere all his life, chances are that he's dying to be somewhere more 'exciting'.
If you're sure that he won't ever try to move to somewhere more populated and get involved with 'Bloods' there, then that's ok though.
If he's lived in the middle of nowhere all his life, chances are that he's dying to be somewhere more 'exciting'.
If you're sure that he won't ever try to move to somewhere more populated and get involved with 'Bloods' there, then that's ok though.
That's why I'm not letting him do this and why the cop is gonna tell him so. Because I don't want him dreaming big dreams later on. Right now it's the most exciting thing in town for those kids and when it loses it's sheen most just grow up and go on with life. I don't want him to want to put a bigger shine on it somewhere else. In other words, I don't want him to get the idea this is real and he can do this and knows how to do this. I'm a 50 year old lady and I could do what they do. My mother is 80 this year and so could she, that's how actual gangsta they are, but I don't want him shaping his self image around this because of how he is about things. He has plenty of common sense except when he thinks he's right and when he thinks he knows everything then he's very likely to screw up in a big way because he can't see the forest for the big ole dreams of nonexistent redwood trees in his head.
ETA; And this is another reason why it's not a real gang. My first sentence there. "I'm not letting him do this". I would have no choice if it were nor would he mind me, which he does. He complains about things, and I let him have his freedoms, but he does mind me.
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25 Jul 2013, 10:09 pm
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28 Jul 2013, 5:32 pm
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Ya know, I'm from the boonies too. I do understand about the difference between "gang sh** in the city" and "gang sh** in the country."
It's practically a social club. At least the kid isn't joining the Klan.
And-- it's still NOT A GOOD IDEA.
Sooner or later, the kid is going to get hurt.
Dealing?? The county or state decides it could benefit from the proceeds from the sale of your domicile, and you are up sh** creek.
Almost happened to my family, and they don't even deal. It was all a personal-use thing, and they still f**** them over royal.
If it hadn't been for a few technicalities and a sharp lawyer, they would have lost their farm, ended up homeless.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA!! !! !!
It's practically a social club. At least the kid isn't joining the Klan.
And-- it's still NOT A GOOD IDEA.
Sooner or later, the kid is going to get hurt.
Dealing?? The county or state decides it could benefit from the proceeds from the sale of your domicile, and you are up sh** creek.
Almost happened to my family, and they don't even deal. It was all a personal-use thing, and they still f**** them over royal.
If it hadn't been for a few technicalities and a sharp lawyer, they would have lost their farm, ended up homeless.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA!! !! !!
Read the thread "Update On My Son" please.
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