should I send my kid to another school?

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Odetta
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03 Jul 2014, 8:59 am

Am I the only one that sees the hippy school as harmful to the child? The incidents at the school's camp in particular alarmed me. It is a huge red flag to me when a kid says he doesn't want to live anymore, and that his physical safety was in question more than once.

I have a newly diagnosed kid, so maybe I'm not getting the importance of friendships. What I read from the posts is that the school is not teaching your child skills that will help him be successful later in life, and doesn't seem to want to work with you at all, beyond the one teacher for next year. Are you expecting the other kids, his friends, to help him when he flounders? That's a lot of pressure to put on another kid who is not trained in how to do that, nor has the emotional and mental maturity to do that. Is there a way to maintain those friendships outside of school if you move him, through playdates and such?



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03 Jul 2014, 9:27 am

I agree, that is why I was talking about how to transition with minimum impact.

It is the school staff that makes a bully intolerant school, by making it very clear that people who need to harm others to feel powerful are actually weak. School staff are legally obligated to provide a safe environment. I know that does not always happen.

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Am I the only one that sees the hippy school as harmful to the child? The incidents at the school's camp in particular alarmed me. It is a huge red flag to me when a kid says he doesn't want to live anymore, and that his physical safety was in question more than once.

I have a newly diagnosed kid, so maybe I'm not getting the importance of friendships. What I read from the posts is that the school is not teaching your child skills that will help him be successful later in life, and doesn't seem to want to work with you at all, beyond the one teacher for next year. Are you expecting the other kids, his friends, to help him when he flounders? That's a lot of pressure to put on another kid who is not trained in how to do that, nor has the emotional and mental maturity to do that. Is there a way to maintain those friendships outside of school if you move him, through playdates and such?


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03 Jul 2014, 9:40 am

In the US schools get double the funding for each child with an IEP. Unfortunately, few chose to spend it on the child, and teachers get no reward, other than intrinsic personal, for going beyond the call of duty. But schools must provide what is in the IEP and parents have direct input into the IEP and can request reasonable support.

There are many reasons why Parent-Implemented Intervention is the most successful intervention for ASD and ADHD. Most often the trained safe trusted adult teaching Social Referencing Skills is a parent or family member.

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I don't disagree with that. The friends he has may be real friends, though. It is hard not to weight that as a serious plus. It doesn't mean he won't make friends at a new place, of course.

Even "one way friends" can help protect a kid from some bullying to some degree if the one-way friend means well.

Most schools will not teach pragmatic socialization skills other than when an AS child crosses a line he doesn't know is there to say, "Stop that!" or to punish. Even the good teachers don't have time to walk the kid through what is expected very often. Social stories only work to a point when no one is prompting on the spot when a kid has a very significant deficit.

Others may have experienced better, but I have not.


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03 Jul 2014, 10:19 am

Odetta wrote:
Am I the only one that sees the hippy school as harmful to the child? The incidents at the school's camp in particular alarmed me. It is a huge red flag to me when a kid says he doesn't want to live anymore, and that his physical safety was in question more than once.

I have a newly diagnosed kid, so maybe I'm not getting the importance of friendships. What I read from the posts is that the school is not teaching your child skills that will help him be successful later in life, and doesn't seem to want to work with you at all, beyond the one teacher for next year. Are you expecting the other kids, his friends, to help him when he flounders? That's a lot of pressure to put on another kid who is not trained in how to do that, nor has the emotional and mental maturity to do that. Is there a way to maintain those friendships outside of school if you move him, through playdates and such?

You aren't alone. I was worried reading how it seems like they don't get it too much. In the end acceptance by peers depends a lot on adult role modeling IMO and it doesn't seem like that is happening well. Isolated mistakes or disagreements with other professionals or parents are inevitable but if it's all the time, I think even if he doesn't realize and is afraid, he's better off moving.



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03 Jul 2014, 4:27 pm

It is exactly those incidents that alarm me. And after he came home from camp and had that enormous emotional breakdown, I was ready to switch. If filling in a calendar is too much trouble, if I spend the entire year trying to explain that he needs *clear* instructions, and they refuse because they believe it has to come from his internal motivation, if even the OT there described his verbal tics and stims as 'trying to get attention in a negative way', I'm pretty sure they just don't get ASD and Tourettes. Even if they do amazing things like trying to teach kids self-discipline, doing group meetings where they try to solve fights and other incidents by letting them express their feelings and try to talk it out. As great as those things are, it's just too hard for a seven year old Aspie. And I can't get over the 'we didn't use the calendar because it was too hard, we didn't really have things all planned'.

But I'm not sure they are going to 'get him' at the other school either. And it could be worse. Not even taking into account the stress of switching schools will cause. I know he had the social skills to make new friends, but there is a risk that he might withdraw because of the stress, and that other kids will make fun of his quirks.

I think that if I can make the transition easy, he'll get through it, but there's just no way to know how it will go. It seems to be the hardest decision I've ever had to make. I wish there was a mathematical equation for this.



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03 Jul 2014, 4:32 pm

I've changed my mind after reading the OP's second post. Hippy-dippy is one thing, but leaving a child unattended (especially a child with special needs, but really ANY child) is negligent and dangerous. I would switch schools in that case.



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03 Jul 2014, 4:35 pm

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I've changed my mind after reading the OP's second post. Hippy-dippy is one thing, but leaving a child unattended (especially a child with special needs, but really ANY child) is negligent and dangerous. I would switch schools in that case.


Me, too. I misunderstood the situation.



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03 Jul 2014, 4:53 pm

Sidney, you're right. You don't know how it's going to go if you make the switch. But you do know exactly what it would be to stay. It's the devil-you-know syndrome. And there's a chance that things could be actually great switching. You won't know until you do it. You seem to be quite on top of things, of what he needs with specific tools ready to hand over to the new school. It wouldn't be like you're dropping him into an unknown without supervision on your part. Is there a way to meet with folks at the new school to set a plan ahead of time? If it is a quality school, I would think they would listen to your concerns and suggestions, and just maybe have a few of their own.



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04 Jul 2014, 3:50 am

Now I finally know what 'the devil you know' means, I never understood that phrase!

I asked him again yesterday, and said 'hypothetically, if you could bring your friends to the other school, then would you want to switch?'. He said yes. So that says it all. It really is my exact same thought as well.

Odetta, I'm going to try to get as much accomodation as I can, but as I said, they didn't seem to willing to spend too much time on that. I just hope we're not going to hit another brick wall.
My confidence in any school is extremely low at this point.

I'm going to try to find kids in his classroom via friends and aqcuiantances, the city isn't thát big. Make a laminated daychart and ask if they can tape it on his desk. He knows one kid in school, different class, though, but maybe they can have lunch together.

Thanks everyone, I'm still not 100% sure, but I think I need to at least try to switch, after everything that happened.

Almost make me want to start my own school.



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04 Jul 2014, 7:23 am

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Almost make me want to start my own school.


That is what I had to do. (Homeschool) So I understand the frustration of not being able to get what you need.



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04 Jul 2014, 9:01 am

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That is what I had to do. (Homeschool) So I understand the frustration of not being able to get what you need.


I wish that was an option. But I'm a single mom, I have to work.



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04 Jul 2014, 9:04 am

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That is what I had to do. (Homeschool) So I understand the frustration of not being able to get what you need.


I wish that was an option. But I'm a single mom, I have to work.


It really is not fair how few options are out there.



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04 Jul 2014, 9:11 am

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It really is not fair how few options are out there.


Agreed... But isn't that the same everywhere? There is a shortage of schools, here, which makes it substantially harder, but still. 3e special *is* a hard combo, I guess.



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04 Jul 2014, 10:43 am

I understand your trepidation. I really hope it works out for you.



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04 Jul 2014, 11:00 am

You care, seek to learn and understand, and support. He has very important role model in you.


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04 Jul 2014, 11:10 am

Thanks Lynn :). Thanks everyone! This community has helped me so many times already... It's truly a gift.