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04 Aug 2015, 4:23 pm

I'm sorry you had to experience that.

Just a question: does Nathan script? It's not very likely, but that's what he could have been doing (not his attack, his words).

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04 Aug 2015, 4:48 pm

Maybe something bad happened to him at school, and he is replaying it or something.

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04 Aug 2015, 5:35 pm

Would he be able to use words to tell you if he had a pounding headache? The vomiting and hitting his own head too made me wonder about migraine, although asking about it ahead of time sounds like what the previous poster said, so I also wonder whether he might have been trying to ask what to do if someone hit him.

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04 Aug 2015, 8:16 pm

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Turn him over to the police or Child Services. It's only a matter of time before he attacks you again. Maybe next time it will be with a knife or some other weapon.

In states I have lived in in the USA the police would not be able to do anything, no one under age 10 could be charged with a crime.

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04 Aug 2015, 8:34 pm

Police can come and take him to a hospital so if worst comes to worst calling the police is an option.

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04 Aug 2015, 10:18 pm

Before this kid gets labeled as the next Ted Bundy, here's my two pennies.

My Aspie husband gets horrific migraine heads. The worse adult meltdowns were during times of stress+a magnitude 10 head aches. He would say absolutely hateful things to me, bang his head against the wall, scream just nonsense. He was sensory over loaded from the pain and stress and me just being around.

Many times just before a meltdown, my husband says stuff that makes no damn sense. Maybe with your son it was asking about hitting. Between being nauseated, and you just being around, it was a too intense situation. Then it all went to hell.

My husband feels such intense shame after his melt downs.

I'm glad you will talk to a psychiatrist, but I want to let you know I have seen this behavior with my husband.

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04 Aug 2015, 11:04 pm

I think that if your son is having migraines his doctor should be able to find medicine that will treat or prevent and if you can find a way to help, your son will see this and not not be having continued meltdowns.

Meltdowns do not have to result in injury, either, and I can only imagine OPs son is receiving a lot more support for autism related issues because we do more than was done 20, 30, or more years ago and I think that can make a big difference, too.

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05 Aug 2015, 10:06 am

Your topic got my attention.....my son is 12 and he's had similar issues for years.
I notice it increases too when he seems to not be feeling well. The last 2 meltdowns he had were in the bathroom.

There is definitely a connection, like you already felt....the physical pain / discomfort leads to the violent outbursts.
I don't have an answer for you except to trust your gut.

I recently found this and am pursuing it for my son. (I can't post the url since I am new....it is a website about neuro immune deficiency or n i d s. It is at a dot net website by Dr. Michael Goldberg in CA. Please check it out. A lot of kids diagnosed with developmental issues actually have a physical problem that is the real root. Obviously the typical regimen of psychiatric drugs etc is not really solving anything long term. God help us!! ! I feel like the clock is ticking for us because my son is getting big. I am determined to find real help for him before he has to live in a group home or something.

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10 Aug 2015, 11:35 am

I wanted to update in case it might help you, OP
My son had another meltdown at school, in the bathroom. School nurse put two and two together and suggested he be checked for a urinary infection. Turns out my poor boy had a kidney stone! No infection but they found blood and protein in his urine.

If the meltdowns happen in the bathroom could be your son has some kind of issue, with either urinary or bowel pain. Might be worth checking into. At school, my son went to the bathroom ok but then immediately started getting aggressive and tore something off the wall. He'd done the same thing at home that same day and the day before. I hope you find help for whatever is bothering your boy!

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10 Aug 2015, 12:15 pm

Spirit-Possession. You need to take him to a well-qualified/reputable Hypno-Therapist rather than a Psychiatrist unless you want your son to end up being poisoned by Psycho-Tropic Medications (note: Medications are NOT the same thing as Medicine). I am warning you about Psycho-Tropics as they are classified as Schedule II substances (basically on the level of Heroine/Cocaine, and if your son gets addicted to said substances, the withdrawal-symtoms will be exactly the same as psychotic-withdrawal if he ends up missing doses due to them being heroine/cocaine-like addictive-substances). Not only would it be less expensive but also a lot safer & effective for your son. The scientific-literature itself also indicates that psychiatrics are actually no better than a placebo or sugar-pill (and in most cases have actually proven to be more detrimental than beneficial).

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Tonight my nine year old son with PDD-NOS attacked me. He was nauseated and acting panicked. I got him to take a shower and after, he said he felt better. He (Nathan) asked me to lay in bed with him. We were laying together in his bed, talking and cuddling. Nathan fell asleep, so I tried to get up. When I left the bed, Nathan woke back up and asked me to come back to bed. It was apparent that he was getting sick to his stomach again.

I laid back down and tried to get Nathan back to sleep. While laying in bed, Nathan said “I’m going to hit you. What will you do if I hit you? Will you hit me back? Will you hit me like this?” then smacked himself in the face as hard as he could. I was shocked and said “Nathan, you can’t hit yourself, baby.” Then, he turned, stared me in the eyes for a few seconds and started slapping me out of control. I tried to restrain his arms, but he started kicking me out of control. At this point I started yelling for help.

Then, Nathan grabbed my hand and bit down as hard as he could, as if he were biting an apple, which caused me to scream. Nathan blank stared at me again and said “F*** you. F***. F***. Motherf****** piece of s***”. His Dad then opened the door and Nathan spit in his face, yelling “F****** dad”. After that, he vomited all over his bed. When he finished, he immediately started saying “I’m so sorry, Mom. I’m so sorry”. He was crying and telling me that he didn’t want to hit me.

Nathan doesn’t cuss at us (his parents) and doesn’t hit us. He used to years ago, but has outgrown those behaviors. He also doesn’t have tantrums these days. This episode scared me. Nathan is getting big physically and actually hurt me. He also has a four month old baby sister in the house and he could really hurt her. I don’t know what happened. This was like watching a psychotic breakdown right before my eyes. I feel bad for Nathan, but I am also afraid for myself and my daughter.

What could have happened here? This doesn’t seem like anything Autism/Aspergers related. It was frightening. Tonight was the first time I have ever been afraid of my son. Does anyone know what could be going on? I plan on contacting a psychiatrist Monday morning…

I know most people aren't familiar with subjects like hypno-therapy or para-psychology (part of its research involves work on the phenomena of spirit-possession) but there's plenty (talking mountains worth) of very well-documented evidence over the phenomena by various authors (I can name plenty of authors/doctors/scientists & the names of their publications if you want/need to personally investigate the science for yourself).

Yes, I am aware that people in the « modern day » are going to be wondering, how can any responsible-minded individual entertain the outlandish idea of a concept like spirit-possession, but if you need an alternate-explanation that sounds more scientific, another possibility is that he may have been a victim of psycho-tronic violence-triggering.

Additional References...
You Cannot Die : The Incredible Findings of a Century of Research on Death
30 Years Among the Dead (Authored by Dr. Carl Wickland)

Reliable scientific-information (i.e.: not coloured or distorted by religious-dogmas) on these subjects may be difficult to find, but it's available and can be found with diligent-research, and I will quote part of the chaptre on Spirit-Posession from Ian Currie's book...

Ian Currie wrote:

While engaged in research and therapy at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center in Catonsville, Grof met a young patient with a number of psychiatric problems. She had failed to respond to more conventional therapies, and her doctors, as a last resort, had sent her for LSD treatment. During her first psychedelic session with Grof and other members of the staff, a truly startling event occurred. She underwent the classic symptoms of “possession.” According to Grof, her facial features suddenly changed to those of an evil-looking male and her voice became deeply masculine. This “entity” spoke to the astounded therapists in an angry and threatening voice, stating that the young woman was “his,” and clearly implying that her personal and psychiatric difficulties were attributable to his malevolent influence. In a terrifying display of paranormal facility, he revealed damaging and embarrassing incidents from the personal lives of the therapeutic staff present, including a number of things which they had never revealed to one another. He pointed out to them, quite accurately, that the status of LSD research was already in grave jeopardy, and threatened to destroy their entire research operation by revealing these incidents to the media in the most damaging way possible, unless they gave the patient up to him and ceased therapy. This harangue went on for some time. Attempting to reason with the “entity” proved fruitless. Finally, in desperation, Grof said that he remembered the occult tradition that such evil entities don’t like “light,” so he closed his eyes and meditated, visualizing himself, the patient, and the entire group surrounded by “white light,” Instantly, the phenomena ceased, the face and voice vanished. Subsequently, the girl began to respond to therapy.

Among those who believe in life after death, but who have had little personal experience in “contacting” the dead, there exists a widespread assumption that since death turns the dead into “spirits,” it also makes them “spiritual” – benevolent, wise, all-knowing. The cases I have cited in this chapter show that this assumption, as a generalization about the dead, could scarcely be less correct. The “borderland” between the worlds of the living and the dead appears to be a kind of psychic “jungle” or “outlaw territory,” thronged with vicious, psychopathic personalities. If they can find and “attune” themselves to a victim, their destructive natures can operate with even less restraint than they did while embodied.

Possessions can happen

I have used the recent personal experiences of many different people to demonstrate that possession is not a mere fantasy from the superstitious past. It can and does occur today, just as it always has. And it is my opinion that the legacy of such experiences, accumulating over the centuries, can go a long way towards explaining the extremely widespread human fear of the dead. As the experiences in this chapter show, we have every reason for fearing some of the dead.

Finally, I will link a page to The Star Prayer, simply because its author wants everybody in the entire world to have the information available to them, due to such incidences greatly going to be increasing in frequency globally...

The Star Prayer

The mind is the most-important thing that can be protected. Unprotected minds are prone to psychotronic-control & are thus prone to becoming unsound & resulting in very violent behaviour if not properly protected.

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10 Aug 2015, 1:02 pm

That does sound peculiar...so certainly a good idea to consult psychiatrist/psychologist. Is he taking any medications? sometimes they can cause changes in behavior so that might be a factor. Either way it sounds like somehow he lost physical control and couldn't stop himself...I imagine its scary for him to, he probably knows he could hurt someone having an episode like that.

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10 Aug 2015, 1:05 pm

Fnord wrote:

Turn him over to the police or Child Services. It's only a matter of time before he attacks you again. Maybe next time it will be with a knife or some other weapon.

I think consulting the mental health professionals working with them already is a better idea. You're suggestions would likely just cause more drama/problems for everyone involved at least at this point being its a single out of place episode that does not reflect the kids normal behavior....IDK anymore most people I know would only call the cops as a very, very, very last resort since its becoming pretty clear many have no problem abusing their position. Ideally the cops when called would do their best to subdue the child and help the parents/family find proper help for them...IRL its more than likely things would get ugly, maybe dead child and traumatized parents.

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10 Aug 2015, 1:11 pm

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Fnord wrote:

Turn him over to the police or Child Services. It's only a matter of time before he attacks you again. Maybe next time it will be with a knife or some other weapon.

This. I was thinking of time for psychiatric care.

That doesn't have to require calling the police or child services per say....the police are only for when someone is an immediate threat to themselves/others and needs to be hospitalized since the idea is they can restrain said individual. Otherwise there are much calmer ways to get into psychiatric treatment or hospitalization. As for the child services they might just assume slap 'unfit parents' label on the parents and get them in legal trouble...but then I may be biased as a have a distrust of the system.

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10 Aug 2015, 10:30 pm

Sweet-Leaf would make such a good mother.

Now I see why that Love-Calculator thinks that we are 95% compatible ! ^_^

Anyway, for those who are not familiar with Psycho-Tronic Mind-Control, remember back to when whales were beaching themselves. The reason was due to Sonar Weapons-Testing by the U.S. Navy as a weapon that was intended to disable enemy submarines & torpedoes from a distance. Apparently, how-ever, the « frequencies » that were being used drove whales into beaching themselves. When subjected to certain frequencies, behaviours can be altered, manipulated, and in this case, said frequency resulted in whales beaching themselves.

The Marine-Biologists who performed autopsies of the whales found that they also had internal-damage to their auditory organs (some frequencies can cause damage in a similar manner to how certain high-pitched opéra-singer sounds/volumes/tones/frequencies/etc., can cause glass to shatter, and damage to certain parts of a human-brain [such as the frontal-lobe] has been known to result in causing psychotic-behaviours). KNOW that « mind-altering » and « mood-altering » phenomena is NOT limited to solely drugs/alcohol/foods/etc (sugars & candies & choclates can make children hyper for example, sleeping pills & tranquilisers make you tired & sleepy, etc). Various frequencies that you are exposed to can also alter/influence behaviours (even extending to cell-phones & cell-towers).

Look up the term « Orgonite » and maybe make your own or invest in some Orgonite-Pyramids if you need additional layers of protection (scientifically proven by the way as explained/described by a business-minded scientist [or maybe he's a scientific-minded business-man] by the name of Ken Rohla whose presentations can be viewed & listened to on You-Tube).

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11 Aug 2015, 7:27 am

I think spamming a thread with personal interests that have no possibility of helping the OP is obnoxious.

There are plenty of other places on wp where one can monologue with abandon.

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11 Aug 2015, 10:36 am

Don't be so quick to judge things of which you clearly have absolutely no knowledge nor expertise or experience.

Adamantium wrote:

I think spamming a thread with personal interests that have no possibility of helping the OP is obnoxious.

There are plenty of other places on wp where one can monologue with abandon.

I find that kind of ignorant-behaviour to be extremely obnoxious.

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