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So, it's very difficult to have a discussion about the norms if the norms themselves preclude discussion and one has to figure out rocket science in order to be able to have any discussion at all on the norms.
I don't understand. You said you wanted to stop the conversation where you criticized her as a parent, you said you hadn't meant any harm, why are you going back to that?
You're right. Crap. Sorry about that!
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I try to remain fluid and follow where the other leads (within reason.)
Let me see if I can bring some clarity.
Cubedemon, you work in IT, right? What you did to WelcomeToHolland was the equivalent of someone barely able to work a computer insisting you that you can solve a complex computer virus infection by turning the computer off and on again. You can see where it's a bit offensive: you are not only oversimplifying a very complex problem, but you are also implying that someone else's expertise, experience and effort have no value. Even in the spirit of trying to understand, it's not appropriate (e.g. someone hovering over you as you are working on a very frustrating problem and saying "but why don't you turn it off and on again?")
Second, the problem with looking at things pessimistically is that pessimism is binary. You will be missing information if you assume a negative outcomes, because negative outcomes are generally singular. Positive outcomes are generally not binary.
For instance: you can tell someone that their computer is infected with a virus that has to this point been uncrackable and it's useless, there's nothing you can do (pessimism.)
You can tell someone that their computer is infected with a virus that has to this point been uncrackable, but you will see if any of the things you know how to do will work, and then you will do some careful research, and using that information you might be able to figure out new ways to undo the damage (optimism.)
Yes, if you are pessimistic, you can be guaranteed of a certain result and prepare for it. However, if you are optimistic, you open yourself to the possiblity of other results. Does that make sense?
Cubedemon, you work in IT, right? What you did to WelcomeToHolland was the equivalent of someone barely able to work a computer insisting you that you can solve a complex computer virus infection by turning the computer off and on again. You can see where it's a bit offensive: you are not only oversimplifying a very complex problem, but you are also implying that someone else's expertise, experience and effort have no value. Even in the spirit of trying to understand, it's not appropriate (e.g. someone hovering over you as you are working on a very frustrating problem and saying "but why don't you turn it off and on again?")
Second, the problem with looking at things pessimistically is that pessimism is binary. You will be missing information if you assume a negative outcomes, because negative outcomes are generally singular. Positive outcomes are generally not binary.
For instance: you can tell someone that their computer is infected with a virus that has to this point been uncrackable and it's useless, there's nothing you can do (pessimism.)
You can tell someone that their computer is infected with a virus that has to this point been uncrackable, but you will see if any of the things you know how to do will work, and then you will do some careful research, and using that information you might be able to figure out new ways to undo the damage (optimism.)
Yes, if you are pessimistic, you can be guaranteed of a certain result and prepare for it. However, if you are optimistic, you open yourself to the possiblity of other results. Does that make sense?
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It seems that when people present differing perspectives to his own, cubedemon has habit of saying that these people are spewing mindless slogans, or in the latest case, vomit. I wonder why he does this, as this behavior doesn't come to my mind when someone disagrees with me, my arguments, my worldview, etc. Why do you do this, cubedemon?
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Uh autism? Have difficult understanding other peoples perspectives? At least not everyone with it has this issue. I notice at least one other member here who hurls out insults to members and accuses them of doing ad somethings and seems to think he is always right and everyone else is either wrong or willfully ignorant when they don't agree with him or share his perspectives.
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But why specifically say that what other people say are mindless slogans?
I don't think this is autism at work, it seems like his specific behavior that I have not seen from other people online or in person.
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Many people with a pragmatic speech deficit have difficulty with phrases that are not meant to be taken literally. For individuals who are able to get past the ones that have a singular meaning (e.g. Most adults, autistic or not, have no difficulty understanding that "it's raining cats and dogs" means that it is raining really hard) it can be a struggle to interpret phrases meant to indicate something nonspecific and general.
My son has a very binary approach to words: this-word-means-this. He also has a significantly larger vocabulary than most people he speaks to. He cannot understand why anyone would say "dog" when they SHOULD be saying "standard poodle." He annoys people frequently by correcting them.
When you apply this binary way of thinking to inspirational phrases, the result can be frustration on the part of the speaker and the listener: inspirational phrases are extremely, extremely generalized and have no specific instructional meaning, and therefore seem disingenuous to someone looking for binary instruction. If you remember Jack Handey from SNL, that humor was based on taking generalized inspirational phrases and applying them in a specific, instructional, binary way. (Instead of "Let it be time for us to dream of a world without war." it becomes "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it.")
Within the autism spectrum community, there are many ways to be, but we all face one thing: we have challenges being understood.
I am guessing that everyone on this forum has at one time or another had an exhange that became adverserial without either party intending it to do so - I know I have. The difference between WrongPlanet and the rest of the world is that here, we know there is probably a miscommunication at the root of these conversations; I doubt very much that anyone's intent is to be hurtful.
This does not absolve members of the responsibility of communicating appropriately, but sometimes it takes longer than others.
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I personally don't care if someone says that what I say is mindless slogans, but I am interested in why they choose to say mindless slogans instead of dismissing what I say in some other way.
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I don't think so, I take things quite literally, and I have not thought mindless slogans when people say something general or open-ended like be positive or just do it. I take it literally as just do it means that I should just do it, whatever it is that I want to do at the moment or in long term, like if I want to code something now, or study some topic now and later, or look for and apply for jobs.
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But, as I explained earlier, some people do not take things literally in the way that you describe, they understand there is more to some phrases, but they still look for a singular or binary meaning even if it is not the literal meaning of the phrase.
For instance, someone taking "raining cats and dogs" literally would expect cats and dogs to fall out of the sky. Someone taking it in a binary way would expect "raining cats and dogs" to mean the specific kind of storm that was happening the first time the phrase was used, and will get frustrated if someone says "raining cats and dogs" when they percieve the rain to be too light, or there not to be enough thunder.
In other words, if we are using ourselves and the way we do things as a measuring stick, we are going to get more confused rather than less.
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^^^This eggsplanation likely applies in many situations, but in my opinion, it is hard to understand it as an eggsplanation in this case.
It is strange to read someone say that what someone else says is vomit, while displaying a consistent pattern of saying that what other people say is mindless slogans and some other weird word that I didn't understand.
This same pattern is not displayed when others agree in general, open-ended, vague ways, which could be considered mindless slogans or vomit too.
I don't think there is a reason for it in terms of autism, but there might be in terms of personality aspects, emotional aspects, etc.
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This same pattern is not displayed when others agree in general, open-ended, vague ways, which could be considered mindless slogans or vomit too.
I don't think there is a reason for it in terms of autism, but there might be in terms of personality aspects, emotional aspects, etc.
But Momsparky is right about the difficulty understanding others' perspectives that is common in autism. Cubedemon thinks he is right, when others disagree maybe he can't easily see they see things differently, so maybe he pushes things too far without ever wanting to do anything more than understand and push people toward the only reality he sees. If others had agreed with him, it would seem right and there'd be nothing to disagree with.
I think that blocking the possibility of letting oneself see someone else's perspective as valuable even though different is not as mindful as we should all aim to be, and I know you want to gain understanding so I hope I'm making sense, even if you think I'm wrong
It is strange to read someone say that what someone else says is vomit, while displaying a consistent pattern of saying that what other people say is mindless slogans and some other weird word that I didn't understand.
This same pattern is not displayed when others agree in general, open-ended, vague ways, which could be considered mindless slogans or vomit too.
I don't think there is a reason for it in terms of autism, but there might be in terms of personality aspects, emotional aspects, etc.
I apologize for saying that the slogans were mindless and was vomit. The slogans come from a philosophy and belief system that I do not grasp nor understand. When I wrote that they were mindless and were like vomit it was due to futility and frustration and the emotions that I am feeling because of my ailing mother. I do apologize for that and I should have known better.
So, how do we objectively determine what reality actually is? If you see a red world and I see a green world what methods and methodologies do we use to determine what the world is supposed to actually be? What is the determiner of what reality is?
Well, why can't everything you say apply to the rest of you as well? Can one individual be correct in anything they say and the masses are the ones using fallacious reasoning? Can society, it's beliefs, values, standards ever be fallacious and wrong and an individual who challenges them be correct or somewhat correct? If not why not? Who or what is the final determiner?
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