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jdenault
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22 Jan 2011, 11:14 am

This is becoming a discussion of semantics. No one is ever absolutely right or wrong.



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22 Jan 2011, 1:03 pm

jdenault wrote:
This is becoming a discussion of semantics. No one is ever absolutely right or wrong.


1. There are no absolutes.
2. Not even number 1 is an absolute.



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22 Jan 2011, 1:14 pm

ediself wrote:
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I thnk I may know what azurecrayon is saying. Azurecrayon, please tell me if I'm wrong or not. I think what she is saying is that evil is when you perform an action that is wicked or depraved. The action is what makes the definition. I think what she is also saying is that some children are more inclined to perform an evil action than others.

I believe we have different definitions here.


you may be right, i do define evil by character and potential, not necessarily actions. Otherwise, i talk of an evil act, not an evil person.


I believe words have many meanings and each meaning has different usages. This solidifies my belief even more. Ediself, I believe you and azurecrayon have something in common. You two have children. She has 1 NT child and 2 ASD children. You have 1 ASD child and 1 potential NT child. I believe you two can give each other value. She can tell you about your potential NT child's mindset and the NT mindset in general and you can give your ASD mindset and her ASD children's mindsets. I believe she has information you may not have and you have information she may not have. Why not work together to help both sets of children to reach their full potential. None of us truly knows absolutely everything. I know I don't. I've been proven wrong so many times I can't count it. I believe though if people started working together instead of competing we can get closer to the truth of things in different areas.

I believe NTs may have info we ASDs may not have and I want to work with ASDs and NTs to make this world a better place.



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22 Jan 2011, 5:30 pm

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i did not say some people are born evil. as you can see in the quote, i said "i do believe some *rare* people are born without the ability for compassion, empathy, morals, etc." the lack of those things does not make one evil


No, i mean, just , no. The lack of those things is what makes people evil. No morals, no compassion and no empathy. ok. what more do you need to be evil then? i can't think of anything, once you have no morals and no compassion.....a lack of taste for chocolate?


if we have a person who feels no compassion or empathy and has no morals, and they spend their life donating money to charity, volunteering in soup kitchens and on crisis hotlines, and they never hurt a single soul, then they are evil?

we ALL have the capacity for evil, every single one of us. that doesnt MAKE us evil. all it takes for an evil act is for us to make ONE choice differently. hit the gas instead of the brake when that dog runs out in front of your car, take money instead of give it when the collection plate goes by, beat your child instead of teach them when they do something wrong.

evil also doesnt require a lack of compassion, morals, or empathy. those things keep most of us in check from doing evil, but they dont completely prevent it. a lot of normally decent people have committed an evil act. whether you consider that person evil after one evil act is really up to you.

im pretty sure most people like chocolate, tho.


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22 Jan 2011, 6:40 pm

I think I know what she is saying. We all do things that are considered evil, we make mistakes, we can lose our tempers, we're not perfect. Heck we even unintentionally offend people and we can call that evil.

My definition of evil is deceiving people, killing, scanning and conning, bullying, torturing animals, being an abuser and a rapist.

Even young children do evil things even though it's innocent behavior but does it make them evil? No. Pulling animals by their tails, does that ring the bell? Pretty common in young children to do that. I thought as a young child they were there for us to pull them by and I didn't even realize it was painful for them until I was about ten. It's like pulling someone by their hair.


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22 Jan 2011, 6:48 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
I thnk I may know what azurecrayon is saying. Azurecrayon, please tell me if I'm wrong or not. I think what she is saying is that evil is when you perform an action that is wicked or depraved. The action is what makes the definition.


I agree. There is negative action or thought in the concept of evil; something that harms others or the world. Simply lacking comparison and morals may make someone self-centered or closed-off, but it doesn't make them evil. It is possible for someone to simply be kind of a "nothing" in the way of morality; not good or evil. Shoot, I know many people that seem to be like that. Not doing harm, not doing good, just moving through life. Kind of a classic element it literature, too.


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22 Jan 2011, 7:13 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Even young children do evil things even though it's innocent behavior but does it make them evil? No. Pulling animals by their tails, does that ring the bell? Pretty common in young children to do that. I thought as a young child they were there for us to pull them by and I didn't even realize it was painful for them until I was about ten. It's like pulling someone by their hair.


I just want to say, that this is the reason i make a distinction between evil act and evil person. I don't think a child doing this is evil, of course, and i also didn't talk of evil children like this, not as "totally and entirely evil", i was talking about a touch of evilness, and somehow that got taken litterally, on the NT part of the forum :D the child would be performing an evil act if he WANTED to see the pain in the cat, and this was his purpose in pulling its tail. Not if they do it to play and don't know animals are capable of feeling pain...



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05 Feb 2011, 2:33 pm

I have read in several sources that the average parent in America only spends 20 minutes a day with their children. Of that 20 minutes, only 2 to 3 minutes are on substantial conversation. So I don't think the NT parents have set the bar that high.

If thats the average, then me and my NT daughter have a great relationship. We're way above average on time spent together and in conversation.