Why do Aspergers people have that look?

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09 Nov 2010, 11:39 am

I am not responsible to how people look. I said they had the look, I didn't say they were dangerous people.

Seriously people, get on topic and stop bringing up the diatribe that I wrote. You are better then that, ignore me if you don't like it. Don't lower yourself to battering me, I am not worth it.



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09 Nov 2010, 11:56 am

whats the look again? and now that i relise it i noticed im in the parents discssion, i thought i was in the random area. but i dont know the answer, could it be aspie forhead? i have that

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09 Nov 2010, 12:18 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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People with AS have that serial killer/psychopath look in their eyes.


I find this comment offensive and insulting.

I also find it inaccurate. I don't know of a statistical study offhand, but I am fairly sure that the chances of a serial killer or psychopath having Asperger's are less then the chances that they are neurotypical. Which does not mean that neurotypicals are essentially killers, either. There are more of them. So a higher percentage of killers are from their ranks. Nothing to do with cause and effect.


My guess is he means to mock this thread, but it still isn't really an appropriate post. I've asked a moderator to look into it. Or, he can see these comments and choose to edit.


Admin removed it (thankfully) but let's talk about it for a minute. No I don't think it was appropriate by any means but I do feel he get's that idea because society has made it so. When you watch movies, isn't that the way a psycho is portrayed (not that I agree w/it)? Not fair, yes but unfortunately society has made it OK so naturally, it results in Craig28's comments. Not accepting it, just pointing it out.



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09 Nov 2010, 2:01 pm

I don't think AS sufferers are psycho, I said they look like one. That is if anybody, even NTs dare look them in the eyes.



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09 Nov 2010, 2:06 pm

Craig28 wrote:
I don't think AS sufferers are psycho, I said they look like one. That is if anybody, even NTs dare look them in the eyes.


I look my son and husband in the eyes constantly and I don't see anything that reads "psycho."


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09 Nov 2010, 2:07 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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I don't think AS sufferers are psycho, I said they look like one. That is if anybody, even NTs dare look them in the eyes.


I look my son and husband in the eyes constantly and I don't see anything that reads "psycho."


You see normality in their eyes because you love them.



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09 Nov 2010, 2:18 pm

I think what Craig28 meant was that the eyes of some AS people looks cold, unnaturally unemotional, and calous. He chose to use the term 'serial killer' because that is the stereotype of the eyes of a serial killer. I really don't think he meant to insult anyone by what he wrote, I think he was just stating what he thinks. I do believe he should have been more sensitive when choosing his words as that terminology could be viewed as blatently disrespectful and rude.



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09 Nov 2010, 2:20 pm

You want sensitivity, join a convent. This is the real world. Sugarcoating a word does nobody any favours.



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09 Nov 2010, 2:25 pm

I am not offended and would not be even if you were specifically talking about me by name or a generalization of all people of my type.



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09 Nov 2010, 2:49 pm

LittleMomOf3 wrote:
Admin removed it (thankfully) but let's talk about it for a minute. No I don't think it was appropriate by any means but I do feel he get's that idea because society has made it so. When you watch movies, isn't that the way a psycho is portrayed (not that I agree w/it)? Not fair, yes but unfortunately society has made it OK so naturally, it results in *******'s comments. Not accepting it, just pointing it out.


Actually, I agree with you. I neither liked nor agreed with the original comment, but the real problem, of course, is that so much of society would agree with it. A random offensive comment, to me, is far easier to ignore than one that builds on an existing prejudice. And in saying that, I'm not interested in attacking the OP (who I am deliberately choosing not to name, to the point of redacting it in your quote, since the individual is not the issue here); I am simply interested in challenging that entire stereotype.

If someone has that idea because society has made them feel that way, I have absolutely no interest in adding to their miseries. But the fact society dinned such a hurtful idea into their heads is something that really infuriates me. This attitude isn't just because it is personal. One of my relatively early special interests is the Holocaust, which I feel so strongly about some people online have assumed I am Jewish - although I am not, and I was an adult before I made the connection that I would also have been targeted, for my vision problems. Bigotry and prejudice are things I just cannot force myself to overlook, no matter who they're directed against. (Which says a great deal about the "lack of empathy" supposed to be a part of AS. :P )


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09 Nov 2010, 9:52 pm

theWanderer wrote:
Bigotry and prejudice are things I just cannot force myself to overlook, no matter who they're directed against. (Which says a great deal about the "lack of empathy" supposed to be a part of AS. :P )


I know that "lack of empathy" is part of the diagnosis, but I feel that it would be more accurately described as "apparent lack of empathy."

I've always cared about how other people feel; it's just that sometimes those feelings aren't translated correctly to "NT," if that makes sense. I find this "reputation" frustrating.


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09 Nov 2010, 10:05 pm

Great point Kaspie. When I was first educating myself about ASD, I read a lot 'lack of empathy'. It is one of the first Q's I asked on here. Lack of empathy describes a sociopath. I was scared. Is my son a sociopath? It is a major misconception and should be clarified in all text.



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09 Nov 2010, 10:44 pm

Kaspie wrote:
I know that "lack of empathy" is part of the diagnosis, but I feel that it would be more accurately described as "apparent lack of empathy."

I've always cared about how other people feel; it's just that sometimes those feelings aren't translated correctly to "NT," if that makes sense. I find this "reputation" frustrating.


Apparent lack of empathy may be accurate - although I'm not the best person to judge how I appear to anyone else - but I hope I made it very plain I do not agree with the wording of the diagnosis. I suspect it was written by NTs who have no idea what is happening inside us, and are simply noting what they can see from the outside. My remark was an expression of my own frustration with this.


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09 Nov 2010, 11:23 pm

theWanderer wrote:
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I know that "lack of empathy" is part of the diagnosis, but I feel that it would be more accurately described as "apparent lack of empathy."

I've always cared about how other people feel; it's just that sometimes those feelings aren't translated correctly to "NT," if that makes sense. I find this "reputation" frustrating.


Apparent lack of empathy may be accurate - although I'm not the best person to judge how I appear to anyone else - but I hope I made it very plain I do not agree with the wording of the diagnosis. I suspect it was written by NTs who have no idea what is happening inside us, and are simply noting what they can see from the outside. My remark was an expression of my own frustration with this.


I'm sorry for the confusion: You did make it very plain that you didn't agree with the diagnosis! I was just wholeheartedly agreeing with you. :)

I also think you hit the nail on the head with "[the diagnosis] was written by NTs who have no idea what is happening inside us, and are simply noting what they can see from the outside." Very well put!


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10 Nov 2010, 12:40 am

I thought it was because autism is genetic. There are certainly several physical traits that occur in the autistic population more frequently than the NT population. I think it could also be a reflection of seeing and thinking differently.



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10 Nov 2010, 3:55 am

I've noticed that a lot of people on the spectrum have a blank sort of look in their eyes. My daughter has this as well; it was one of the things I pointed out to the pediatrician when she was first being assessed for ASD. I read somewhere that the eyes are where the most expression and emotion is shown; which is why the eyes in particular, probably stand out to me as being quite blank. One of the DSM-IV criteria for diagnosing autism is the marked impairment in eye to eye gaze, facial expressions, etc. I don't doubt that people with ASD feel plenty of emotion (I think they actually feel more than NTs) but for a lot of spectrumites, the emotion just doesn't show up in the eyes.