A note to parents about your children and school.

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Chronos
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13 Nov 2010, 9:40 pm

angelbear wrote:
Interesting thread----very fitting for me at this time. My son's kindergarten teacher has set up a meeting for us on Monday morning to discuss my son's noisemaking in class. One day last week, it was all he did most of the day and did little to no work. Some days when I pick him up, they say he had a good day and did his work. Other days it is he worked in the morning, but in the afternoon, we couldn't get him to pay attention and he was very noisy. He does the same thing with me at home when we are trying to do his homework.

Right now the teacher and the OT are approaching it all on the basis that it is sensory related. I agree that there may be some degree of sensory to it, as I have always thought that my son has had auditory processing issues. But I believe there is an element of him doing this as a way to avoid doing his work. I am wracking my brain to try to figure out why my son thinks it is acceptable to do this in class, when he knows that when we go other places, he is able to control the noisemaking.

The funny thing is, my son is somehow absorbing the information at school. The other day he spouted off a list of about 10 words that start with the letter M, and asked me if these words start with the letter M. He is able to count to 100. He knows the days of the week, and when we wake up in the morning, he knows what day it is. He is learning how to write most of his letters even though they are not real neat, he is getting the concept.

The problem is, if he is going to be this loud and distracting to other children, I don't blame the school for wanting to place him in a special classroom. It really is not fair to the other kids. But, at the same time, I know my son is capable of learning, and I don't want him to continue to be placed in special needs classes. I am hoping this can be worked out, or we will probably be homeschooling him. The problem with this is, I don't know how much he will actually participate in learning with ME as his teacher!

My son actually sleeps 8-9 hours a night most nights, and he seems happy to go to school in the mornings. He is only in a class of 4 kids with 2 teachers, and is not bullied at this point ( he is in a very protected and controlled environment) So my dilemma continues. I guess he is still young, so we have a little time.

I am trying to do just as Chronos has suggested, to not worry, and honestly, I am getting to that point. I just don't know what else to do.

Wish me luck on my meeting on Monday!


If this noise making seems to be to avoid doing the work, why not try giving him a break?



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14 Nov 2010, 9:55 am

Hi Another One and Chronos-

I am just speculating that the noisemaking may be trying to avoid the work. Since I can't be in the classroom, I can't be for sure. I do feel that it is somewhat sensory related, and the teachers are treating it completely as sensory. They are giving him breaks to rock and bear walk, and go into a quiet place (a little tent they have set up) They play classical music during his rest time, and I have been sending in his headphones for The Listening Program which he does first thing in the morning. Like I said, he is only in a class of 4 kids, so I don't see how it can be so overwhelming. My son just seems to crave noise. He actually enjoys loud noises like fireworks and smoke alarms! Lately, he wants me make his noises at him! Sometimes I do it as a game.

Anyway, it is just hard to pinpoint because sometimes I think he is doing it as an attention seeking behavior too. For instance, almost every day when my husband comes home from work, my son will start getting really loud. But if my husband starts to engage with him, he usually stops. He will also start it up when my husband and I are trying to have a conversation. We will tell him very nicely, you can make your noises, but you will need to go into your room to do them, not as a punishment, but just matter of factly. He will go in his room, and do them for a little while, but he then becomes quiet shortly after.

Yesterday at home, he started up with the noises, and I just ignored it and left the room. He stopped doing it within a few seconds of me leaving the room. I would love the teachers to just try ignoring the behavior for a while to see if it diminishes, but I realize that is hard when you are trying to teach..

Sometimes, he will start it up with me when I am trying to help him with his homework. That is why I think that it may have an avoidance element to it as well.

This is my theory-----he just started this about a year ago when he was 4. At that time, he was in a special needs pre-school class with some non-verbal children who were very loud. I think he started it as a coping mechanism, and then realized that he enjoyed it. Then, he realized it was a way to get out of sitting still at the table to do his work. I think when they are paying so much attention to him when he does it, now it is getting reinforced . I could be wrong, but something just isn't adding up. My son is VERY VERBAL. He has lots of words and speaks in perfectly articulated full sentences....

Another One---as far as the physical activity, I totally agree with you. My son is sort of hit or miss with physical activity. He has low muscle tone, so some days he just seems to be a bit more fatigued than others. He sleeps and eats pretty well most of the time, so I don't think that is the problem. It is just hard to get him going at times.
We do the best we can. We suggest some form of exercise everyday, and hope that we can get him interested.

I really adore my son, and just want to help him be the best he can be, but this situation is really problematic. I just fear that it is preventing him from learning as well as he could. I am not determined that he has to stay in public school, so I am open to other alternatives if this just doesn't work out. But right now, the teacher is willing to work with us on it, so I am continuing to try.



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14 Nov 2010, 9:57 am

Oh, another idea that I have is that he could be bored, and is doing this to get things stirred up! Not sure though----



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14 Nov 2010, 1:28 pm

I learnt about homeschooling on WP.
In Italy I never heard about it, but actually it is what I'm doing at the moment. We don't have special schools for autistic children and parents who want to do ABA do it at their own expenses.
School don't recognize it as a child's right, even if the child has the right to have a support teacher. That teacher is absolutely not prepared for special teaching. Often he/she doesn't know anything about autism.
I hired an ABA therapist and I'm fighting to make her gain entrance to school. My son is 3 years old and he has started aba 3 weeks ago. There's no time for him to go to school since then.

The possibility of homeschooling is interesting along with an appropriate socialization therapy.



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15 Dec 2010, 2:24 am

THANK YOU CHRONOS!! you are absolutely right :P



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15 Dec 2010, 11:51 am

Funny that this thread came back up. I just got the recommendation from my son's teacher for his placement next year. They are recommending that he either repeat Special needs Kindergarten or be placed in a mild to moderate autism class. I am sorry, but my son may be mild, but he is definitely not moderate. No offense intended, but this is just not the environment for him. He is speaking in full sentences, asking questions, making comments and noticing things that he never has before. He is LEARNING the material. The problems are that he is still not doing his work independently, and his noisemaking behaviors are hindering him from learning to work independently. He is still only 5.5 years old though!

The teacher has started a behavior intervention of rewarding him when he is quiet, and ignoring him when he makes his noises (as much as she can). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Anyway, I am just so concerned that I don't have a good choice for his placement, so I am really considering homeschooling at this point.



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15 Dec 2010, 12:46 pm

WOW, some divine intervention must have just taken place because after I got off of WP, I checked my emails and my son's teacher had emailed me. Apparently, she discussed it with my son's team at school again and they agreed that he is too high academically to be in the Mild to Moderate class. They are going to place him in the HFA/Asperger class! Praise the Lord!



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15 Dec 2010, 1:51 pm

So glad to hear that it was resolved. Also I am glad that you were willing to fight their wrong assessment. The thing that I hate the most is "we want to help him so he can learn" while none notices that he has learned.



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26 Dec 2010, 2:20 am

Excellent post! I only get stressed when some idiot around me decides to try to convince me that I need to do X or Y and send my kiddo to school so that he can be forced into a "round hole" along with the other kids...when it's just us, no outside BS...we have a very peaceful life. We homeschool. Best decision we ever made. Stopped working after 19yrs. Went from a 400K home to a tiny 200K apt by the beach...it's great for our son. When he needs to be outside, there is peace all around and he can run and be around other kids, nature, etc...when he wants to be alone, he goes into his game room.

The more we stress about it, the more stressed the kiddo becomes...the worse off we all are...Life is good...We must accept our kids, work on our own peace and then things do begin to fall into place.

PS - my favorite school was when I was in 7th-8th grade...my school day began at 1230PM and ended at 530PM...public school where I live had alternate schedules as it was a small school with too many children...some kids did 7AM-12PM others like me 1230PM to 530PM...



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26 Dec 2010, 4:03 pm

For years, I thought I was being sent to school as punishment.


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01 Jan 2011, 11:42 am

Chronos, this post is awesome. It is so true!