My name is Khan. Worst AS film ever?

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15 Apr 2011, 3:10 am

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Most religions in the world can be presented in a negative light or a positive light.

Islam is nothing special in that respect. The manifestation of religion is largely dependent on the cultural perceptions and perspectives of it's followers and tends to change in place and time.

Then you need to study comparative theology :).


You say that as if you think it will change my mind.


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15 Apr 2011, 3:03 pm

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In fact we Hindus were, and still are, unsophisticated with desert born Ideology like Islam as such ideologies could never originate in place like India which was highly endowed with natural resources.


Islam is one of the trinity of Abrahmic religions including Judaism and christianity. What they all share is an reinforcement of patriarchal social traits, hence their uptake among strongly patriarchal warlike societies in Europe, middle east and Africa. The more collectivist, matriarchal societies in Asia and India resisted their charms (or lack of). Islam and Christianity had a habit of being spread with the help of coercive persuasion (usually a shotgun or scimitar).

Yes I know Jesus was a pacifist, and modern western parliamentary democracy is a product of judeo-christian ethics but since we whiteys rule the world we also write the history books.

Christianity did spread by force but as far as I know those violent verses could be the handiwork of other people. In any case since Jesus was a pacifist those verses can be expunged or at least ignored and I guess that happened during modern times. This can not be expected of Islam since muhammad was himself a violent man.



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15 Apr 2011, 3:04 pm

Chronos wrote:
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Most religions in the world can be presented in a negative light or a positive light.

Islam is nothing special in that respect. The manifestation of religion is largely dependent on the cultural perceptions and perspectives of it's followers and tends to change in place and time.

Then you need to study comparative theology :).


You say that as if you think it will change my mind.

If most religion can be presented in both ways that does not mean that they are that way in reality.



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15 Apr 2011, 3:34 pm

But you forget where the quote "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." comes from.

And if you argue against that, then you have finally been disillusioned of the popular talk thrown about Islam and its super-evil "one-liners" quotes.


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15 Apr 2011, 4:25 pm

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But you forget where the quote "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." comes from.

And if you argue against that, then you have finally been disillusioned of the popular talk thrown about Islam and its super-evil "one-liners" quotes.

Please this link of wikipedia. I think he is talking of ideological warfare, Anyway he did not kill any one in his lifetime, however, I do think that he bit of a supercilious here :).



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17 Feb 2012, 10:55 am

RIdiculous. They say that he's mild? Haha. Not. Ever. I bet he doesn't have Asperger's. He has more severe autism. I thought the film was like, a huge prank pulled off to rid us aspies of our self identity...? Like it took me so long to realize I have something called Asperger's syndrome. And now...


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17 Feb 2012, 1:40 pm

Uh, I liked it, although I thought towards the end it became quite far-fetched. But as for a lot of the character portrayal, I found it realistic enough (for a movie at least). I went to an aspergers workshop recently and it reminded me of something I heard at an educational workshop on autism several years ago. If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism. My daughter has a lot of typical traits (some mild stimming, incredibly obsessed with subject matter--a point which I'm having trouble with this week, as a new obsession has taken the house by storm, clumsiness, funny gait, etc...but she isn't shy, she loves to talk to people--even if it's sometimes quite one sided...and is incredibly social when she has to be). She has some incredibly stereotypical habits that make her look very aspie, even mildly autistic, but she has some traits that, given the right situation/circumstance, you wouldn't notice she's much different.

So if you've met one person with aspergers, you've met one person with aspergers. That was one portrayal. It wasn't terrible, and it got out a certain message that despite a person's differences, they can make a difference in the world....

But the movie did try to go too far towards the end, didn't he end up in Mississippi helping flood victims and eventually get shot or something? That was all kinda too much bollywood for me. :)



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19 Feb 2012, 9:04 pm

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Can you explain exactly why it was a bad portrayal of AS? Just curious.

By the way, Snowcake was awesome. :)


Because he actually met the criteria for autism, not AS. He had clinically significant language delays in the sense that he struggled to use language in an effective manner.



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28 Apr 2013, 3:05 am

This film discredited the entire Asperger's community. The main character does not have Asperger's Syndrome. He is full blown autism. I don't know why they went with the Asperger's idea. Maybe they'd get more viewers that way as lots of folks equate Autism with retardation. Anyway, it's not a film that people in this community bring up as a "must see." The filmmakers get an 'E' for effort, nothing more.



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23 Jun 2013, 2:44 pm

I wasn't exasperated by the sentimentality of the film, but it's stereotypical portrayal of Asperger's syndrome in general was highly disreputable on all accounts. The adulthood behavioral profile he exhibited would likely correspond to someone who is deeply autistic, along with a retainment of at least above average intellectual development. As pointed out by the film, he quite clearly has the ingeniousness to figure out mechanical complications (portending superior mechanical or abstract intelligence).

His vocabulary and receptive comprehension was sufficient enough to be considered high functioning, but he was devoid of the expressive ability to evince this. Throughout his adult life, Khan manifested a wide collection of motor stereotypies (esp. inappropriate gait and complex head rotational movements) that are prevalent on the autistic spectrum, but unlike most aspies he was completely unable to dissemble them as a means of social compensation. Most aspies possess the ability to conceal the majority of such autistic stereotypies in public. He is also endowed with savant skills (visual abstraction in this case) which are now generally acknowledged to occur in only 1 in 10 autistic individuals - today's mass media are are now aware of this. He was so challenged socially and emotionally that it wouldn't be in the least surprising if most of the viewers lacking the cognizance on the subject of ASD's equated his behaviors with the common stereotypes of severely autistic and developmentally disabled people.


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24 Jun 2013, 12:33 am

redrobin62 wrote:
This film discredited the entire Asperger's community. The main character does not have Asperger's Syndrome. He is full blown autism. I don't know why they went with the Asperger's idea. Maybe they'd get more viewers that way as lots of folks equate Autism with retardation. Anyway, it's not a film that people in this community bring up as a "must see." The filmmakers get an 'E' for effort, nothing more.

Autism does not equate with retardation. Somebody with "full blown" autism does not necessarily have low intelligence.



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24 Jun 2013, 12:42 am

daspie wrote:
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In fact we Hindus were, and still are, unsophisticated with desert born Ideology like Islam as such ideologies could never originate in place like India which was highly endowed with natural resources.


Islam is one of the trinity of Abrahmic religions including Judaism and christianity. What they all share is an reinforcement of patriarchal social traits, hence their uptake among strongly patriarchal warlike societies in Europe, middle east and Africa. The more collectivist, matriarchal societies in Asia and India resisted their charms (or lack of). Islam and Christianity had a habit of being spread with the help of coercive persuasion (usually a shotgun or scimitar).

Yes I know Jesus was a pacifist, and modern western parliamentary democracy is a product of judeo-christian ethics but since we whiteys rule the world we also write the history books.

Christianity did spread by force but as far as I know those violent verses could be the handiwork of other people. In any case since Jesus was a pacifist those verses can be expunged or at least ignored and I guess that happened during modern times. This can not be expected of Islam since muhammad was himself a violent man.


no argument re: islam, Christianity also has some violent roots as well. Jesus's parents were members of the Essene cult who advocated violent overthrow of the Romans. The old testament prophets were fairly clear that fire and brimstone was what laid ahead for those not following god (their god). I assume heaven must contain pre-Christian jews and post jesus Christians? fundamentalist religion is so obviously BS...